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MikeV 09-17-2014 01:50 PM

Another Break In
 
Just drove by a house on Ensgrove in the Village of Charlotte. Two Sheriffs and a distraught homeowner by the driveway. I stop and say "Another Break In" and she nods yes. Sheriff asks me if I saw anything and I had not. Way to close to home this time. Front door kicked in behind a screened entry way. We must be more diligent watching our for each others property.

kittygilchrist 09-17-2014 02:07 PM

Front door kick in deja vu.
Explosive sound. Door frame collapsing inside house.
Who is taking your house?

kittygilchrist 09-17-2014 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 939729)
Just drove by a house on Ensgrove in the Village of Charlotte. Two Sheriffs and a distraught homeowner by the driveway. I stop and say "Another Break In" and she nods yes. Sheriff asks me if I saw anything and I had not. Way to close to home this time. Front door kicked in behind a screened entry way. We must be more diligent watching our for each others property.

Regretfully. I tell you that villagers prefer to pretend than to face truth. Unifying against wickedness is therefore not possible.
I would attend a secret meeting if there were one.

RickdeMasi 09-17-2014 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 939741)
Regretfully. I tell you that villagers prefer to pretend than to face truth. Unifying against wickedness is therefore not possible.

I would attend a secret meeting if there were one.


As long as I won't have to wear a hood, I'm in.

RedChariot 09-17-2014 02:31 PM

So what can be done to stop this. Is there a way to stop them from being ABLE to kick our doors in?

rubicon 09-17-2014 03:46 PM

Many front doors have tiffany type glass inserts. Unless people intend to stand guard 24/7 in front of their homes it will be difficult to stop them. In fact in many of these break-in the people were home.

I do hope police officials are developing a profile to determine who the likely culprits would be by location geographical occupation, modus operandi. etc

I am beginning to believe local officials should focus on the cost-benefits of a special unit. Perhaps we also need to employ more hanging judges?

The two unspoken feeling that drive these break-in threads are vulnerability and upset at the invasion of my privacy

TNLAKEPANDA 09-17-2014 04:08 PM

Armed citizen patrol perhaps? Are these daytime break-ins or night time?

Indydealmaker 09-17-2014 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 939755)
So what can be done to stop this. Is there a way to stop them from being ABLE to kick our doors in?

1. Solid metal doors in metal frame.
2. Pit Bull.
3. Obvious security cameras.
4. Outside alarm.
5. Never leave home with "early" trash out front.
6. Make sure newspapers do not accumulate on driveway.
7. Shoot just one burglar and the word will get around.

Uberschaf 09-17-2014 05:30 PM

You can't stop them.Nothing works.

Down Sized 09-17-2014 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Uberschaf (Post 939841)
You can't stop them.Nothing works.

:agree:

vlm790 09-17-2014 05:44 PM

I like number 7 from Indydealmaker

Chatbrat 09-17-2014 06:11 PM

In my opinion, I believe the new sections south of 466A- are too vulnerable. Their vulnerability is due to the close proximity of Fruitland Park & Wildwood. These towns are know for crime, drugs, poverty. Hungry people do desperate things. Also the newer sections appear to be gold mines to these people.

Pointer 09-17-2014 06:14 PM

The idea that the door can just be kicked in is quite unsettling. There must be a way to deal with this. Does a storm door offer any added protection?

How about a recording of the sound of a gun going off followed by a man yelling "Maw put that gun down, the last fella got his genitals shot off and you damn near went back to prison. Followed by a women's voice saying "Nope got an opportunity to have me some fun". Followed by "Ok but I'm not cleaning up the mess this time".

TexaninVA 09-17-2014 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Uberschaf (Post 939841)
You can't stop them.Nothing works.

Not true and too defeatest ... see Indy's post for some common sense ideas

Cedwards38 09-17-2014 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 939755)
So what can be done to stop this. Is there a way to stop them from being ABLE to kick our doors in?

I'm still a believer that a security system, set regularly will deter a burglar. They don't want the hassle, so they go somewhere else. And if enough of us had them, then they don't want the hassle of The Villages.

graciegirl 09-17-2014 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 939792)
Many front doors have tiffany type glass inserts. Unless people intend to stand guard 24/7 in front of their homes it will be difficult to stop them. In fact in many of these break-in the people were home.

I do hope police officials are developing a profile to determine who the likely culprits would be by location geographical occupation, modus operandi. etc

I am beginning to believe local officials should focus on the cost-benefits of a special unit. Perhaps we also need to employ more hanging judges?

The two unspoken feeling that drive these break-in threads are vulnerability and upset at the invasion of my privacy

Rubicon. I can only think of one that the people were home and it was months back in one of the Bridgeports and it was at night and it didn't wake the occupants.. All the others were done when people were away. either out to dinner or to a meeting or to church and in some cases they were out of state..

The combined law enforcement arrested a total of 17 men, the last quarter of '13 and the first two months of '14, and we had a space since March with no more breakins and I have to think it is the same guy this time, or guys for both of the recent break ins. There is a thread of reinforcing doors from the last bunch.

I personally do not think the bail is high enough and the punishment stiff enough, but that is my opinion, and then of course someone will say, that these poor unfortunates had a rough life and they were out of work and hungry..and that is why they had to burglarize people...........so there is no way we can all agree. I am from that generation that says it is wrong to steal. Period and AMEN.

Here is a link to a thread about the past burglaries from in Januarythis year..

Remember to call the sheriff's office with ANYTHING or ANYBODY that looks suspicious.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...03/index2.html

Tennisnut 09-17-2014 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 939864)
Rubicon. I can only think of one that the people were home and it was last fall in one of the Bridgeports and it was at night and it didn't wake the occupants.. All the others were done when people were away. either out to dinner or to a meeting or to church and in some cases they were out of state..

The combined law enforcement arrested a total of 17 men, the last quarter of '13 and the first two months of '14, and we had a space since March with no more breakins and I have to think it is the same guy this time, or guys.

I personally do not think the bail is high enough and the punishment stiff enough, but that is my opinion, and then of course someone will say, that these poor unfortunates had a rough life and they were out of work and hungry...so there is no way we can all agree.

I would think very few would condone breaking in and stealing for having a rough life and being out of work. However, one should not look down with contempt on someone who has had a rough life and were out of work and hungry and needs a social support program until they get back on their feet. I hope most would agree.

AJ32162 09-17-2014 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 939874)
I would think very few would condone breaking in and stealing for having a rough life and being out of work. However, one should not look down with contempt on someone who has had a rough life and were out of work and hungry and needs a social support program until they get back on their feet. I hope most would agree.

I could be wrong, but I don't think burglary qualifies as a "social support program".:shrug:

Bonanza 09-17-2014 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointer (Post 939861)
The idea that the door can just be kicked in is quite unsettling. There must be a way to deal with this. Does a storm door offer any added protection?

How about a recording of the sound of a gun going off followed by a man yelling "Maw put that gun down, the last fella got his genitals shot off and you damn near went back to prison. Followed by a women's voice saying "Nope got an opportunity to have me some fun". Followed by "Ok but I'm not cleaning up the mess this time".

No, a storm door doesn't offer any more security.
A storm door is nothing more than a sturdier screen door with glass.

I wouldn't become obsessed with redoing and making the front door more secure.
They will only resort to your lanai or other window if they really mean business.

When they want to get in, they will!

Bonanza 09-17-2014 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 939874)
I would think very few would condone breaking in and stealing for having a rough life and being out of work. However, one should not look down with contempt on someone who has had a rough life and were out of work and hungry and needs a social support program until they get back on their feet. I hope most would agree.

Oh, please!
This thread is NOT about those who have had a rough life.
It's the haves versus the have nots.
We are speaking about criminals!

tippyclubb 09-17-2014 07:33 PM

I do not look down on those out of work and down on their luck, and I don't think many people do. Most of us have had struggles in life we had to overcome so we do understand and can empathize. What we don't understand is people crossing the line and resorting to crime. I would think those who are breaking in houses never worked, or are too lazy too work and strung out on drugs. It is those people I have contempt for.

Stdole 09-17-2014 07:58 PM

Burglary / Felony Break In
 
I would not go so far as to say there is nothing that will stop them or help...

I can tell you with a 99% accuracy.. the bad guy (s) just have not hit the right house yet! I am telling you there are hundreds if not thousands of home owners that will eliminate this type of person without blinking an eye..

I do not know the thousands per se but I do know 30 to 40 of them!!
FELONS... You will know them for only a short time... Get the Point?

sunnyatlast 09-17-2014 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 939874)
I would think very few would condone breaking in and stealing for having a rough life and being out of work. However, one should not look down with contempt on someone who has had a rough life and were out of work and hungry and needs a social support program until they get back on their feet. I hope most would agree.

Nobody's against people who are down and out. This type of enabling crap is what's making people think they can make a lifestyle out of crime while the taxpayer pays for their keep.

dbussone 09-17-2014 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 939729)
Just drove by a house on Ensgrove in the Village of Charlotte. Two Sheriffs and a distraught homeowner by the driveway. I stop and say "Another Break In" and she nods yes. Sheriff asks me if I saw anything and I had not. Way to close to home this time. Front door kicked in behind a screened entry way. We must be more diligent watching our for each others property.


This was happening in Sanibel a few months ago. Employees at Bonifay and drive by vendors. Minimize yard sales which give everyone a chance to scope out the neighborhood.

dbussone 09-17-2014 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 939874)
I would think very few would condone breaking in and stealing for having a rough life and being out of work. However, one should not look down with contempt on someone who has had a rough life and were out of work and hungry and needs a social support program until they get back on their feet. I hope most would agree.


What does this have to do with the topic? If someone tried to break into my home they would face a situation they did not have in mind. I really wouldn't care about their prior life or current situation. I'd be protecting my wife who is disabled and my home.

Sorry but I have little sympathy for the thugs and parasites who use a crummy childhood (or other excuse) for their reason to cheat, steal, kill, or abuse others.

dbussone 09-17-2014 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uberschaf (Post 939841)
You can't stop them.Nothing works.


I disagree.

dbussone 09-17-2014 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 939741)
Regretfully. I tell you that villagers prefer to pretend than to face truth. Unifying against wickedness is therefore not possible.

I would attend a secret meeting if there were one.


Way to go Kitty. I concur.

Tennisnut 09-17-2014 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnyatlast (Post 939921)
Nobody's against people who are down and out. This type of enabling crap is what's making people think they can make a lifestyle out of crime while the taxpayer pays for their keep.

There is nothing enabling about being down and out and having a helping hand. What a cold hearted comment.Not everyone is abusing the system.

Tennisnut 09-17-2014 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 939931)
What does this have to do with the topic? If someone tried to break into my home they would face a situation they did not have in mind. I really wouldn't care about their prior life or current situation. I'd be protecting my wife who is disabled and my home.

Sorry but I have little sympathy for the thugs and parasites who use a crummy childhood (or other excuse) for their reason to cheat, steal, kill, or abuse others.

This is in response to an earlier post which implied that breaking and entering would be OK by some people if the person was down and out. I stated it is not OK, however, there are programs for people who need an helping hand.

FLSun 09-17-2014 09:35 PM

There are special penalties for violations in drug free and gun free school zones. Let's get Florida to create laws that apply to crimes against people over 55. No posting bail and long prison terms. Air conditioning not required.

MSGirl 09-17-2014 10:13 PM

Do these criminals ever get caught? Most strict law enforcement is necessary!

Bonanza 09-17-2014 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 939741)
Regretfully. I tell you that villagers prefer to pretend than to face truth. Unifying against wickedness is therefore not possible.
I would attend a secret meeting if there were one.

You are 100% correct, Kitty. Regretfully, there is rampant apathy here in TV. I guess many residents think and have the "it will never happen to me" syndrome.

One of my next door neighbors is a snowbird. They are here for the winter and come and go during the warmer months. They have never mentioned to us when they are leaving or when they will be coming back. They are very foolish because we neighbors could be their watchdogs.

One of these days an intruder will make a believer out of them!

tippyclubb 09-17-2014 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSGirl (Post 939966)
Do these criminals ever get caught? Most strict law enforcement is necessary!

Yes they do. A few months ago a lawn service guy saw someone breaking in a house and called the police. I believe the man who robbed and beat a lady in a parking lot was apprehended also. Unfortunately, I never heard what the outcome of sentencing was. Hope it was very long.

Indydealmaker 09-17-2014 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSGirl (Post 939966)
Do these criminals ever get caught? Most strict law enforcement is necessary!

The LEOs in this area have a very good track record with regard to solving this type of crime.

Indydealmaker 09-17-2014 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 939951)
There is nothing enabling about being down and out and having a helping hand. What a cold hearted comment.Not everyone is abusing the system.

I believe that you are being unfairly judgemental here. The comment that you objected to clearly referenced that the criminals were taking advantage of the system by living off of the taxpayer while they were imprisoned.

You are right that not everyone getting social assistance is a deadbeat. However, you can see how it makes perfect sense to say that these types of crimes are committed by people definitely "working" the system.

Penguin 09-17-2014 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uberschaf (Post 939841)
You can't stop them.Nothing works.

Can you say Second Amendment to the Constitution.

Bonanza 09-17-2014 11:10 PM

There is something that residents do, and I would like to believe it is done out of ignorance.

Most of the houses have residents' name on the little sign in the front of their house. I'm not trying to scare anyone, but the fact of the matter is those who have their last name on the sign is really making it easy these thieves. They see your full name. They look you up in the phone book. They call your number. You aren't home. Ta-Da! Guess what?

The same is true of your phone number. The thieves pick a random phone number. Often the resident leaves their full name. Why? Just leave your phone number. Your friends know whom they're calling. Anyone else can leave a message, anyway. Same scenario. These bad guys have your name and phone number. They look you up in the phone book or get on the Internet and get your address from the tax rolls. Or -- they already have your name, address and phone number because they've looked you up in the phone book (yeah -- this is easier for them). Ta-Da! Guess what? Same thing as above.

TV residents have to smarten up. We all are a target. Don't put yourself in a position where you could be next.

kittygilchrist 09-18-2014 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 939835)
1. Solid metal doors in metal frame.
2. Pit Bull.
3. Obvious security cameras.
4. Outside alarm.
5. Never leave home with "early" trash out front.
6. Make sure newspapers do not accumulate on driveway.
7. Shoot just one burglar and the word will get around.

I want to keep glass in the door so my dog can see who she is barking about and i can see who I Am shooting.

kittygilchrist 09-18-2014 12:30 AM

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rubicon 09-18-2014 05:19 AM

Bonanza comments concerning seasonal reasons heads up is a good one. We all have neighbors who travel and in our situation we assist by doing spot checks on their homes.

As to the concern for having your name posted out front it can be problematic. On the positive side it makes friendly people more friendly. On the negative side well Bonanza spoke to that issue. a saving grace for many of us is that with caller ID we are able to ignore such calls. So the would be felon may get a false positive and a surprise when he/she comes to prowl


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