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DDoug 10-06-2014 07:11 AM

Ebola quarantined
 
When we take a pet to another country they are quarantined for up to six months so why can't the people traveling from Africa be quarantined for 21 days. It has to be debated , sorry doesn't make any sense to me.

KayakerNC 10-06-2014 07:49 AM

From the article.
"So what should you do if you fear Ebola is coming to get you? Kaplan had one idea. "Turn off the TV," he advised."
It’s highly unlikely that you’ll become infected with Ebola. So what are you so afraid of? - The Washington Post

graciegirl 10-06-2014 09:36 AM

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Before immunization was available for the serious kind of measles that could kill, blind or cause deafness in children, the only way to handle it was to quarantine a home. I remember the signs for Measles on neighborhood windows in the late forties in Columbus,Ohio.

This is a very serious illness and could kill my beloved family and everyone's beloved family. I am very worried about it.

Drastic measures have to be put in place now, or there may be no tomorrow for a lot of people.

TexaninVA 10-06-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DDoug (Post 948954)
When we take a pet to another country they are quarantined for up to six months so why can't the people traveling from Africa be quarantined for 21 days. It has to be debated , sorry doesn't make any sense to me.

Thanks for raising this issue.

Common sense would clearly indicate to restrict travelers from West African countries where Ebola has broken out. Duh.

The people who say "don't worry about it" seem to be detached from reality .... for reasons that I think are literally irrational. They say Ebola is not that contagious ... oh, now that's a comfort for an illness with something close to a 90% fatality rate if one does get it. In addition, it's not clear at what point in the early stages that a definitive medical diagnosis of Ebola can be made vs that of simply the flu for example. It's also not clear when, in the early stages, it actually becomes contagious.

Thus, the safest thing to do is restrict travel. However, I think some people view this to be 'discriminatory.' You know what? That is too d*** bad in this case.

sunnyatlast 10-06-2014 09:58 AM

Duncan lied on the screening questionnaire at the airport in Liberia, for a reason.

The 911 airplane bombers lied about their reasons for being here in the U.S., too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/wo...ning.html?_r=0

jblum315 10-06-2014 11:27 AM

I don't know. I had Q fever once (a bacterial infection indigenous to Asia) and all I'd done was pick up my husband at JFK.

keywest 10-06-2014 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DDoug (Post 948954)
When we take a pet to another country they are quarantined for up to six months so why can't the people traveling from Africa be quarantined for 21 days. It has to be debated , sorry doesn't make any sense to me.

DDoug....This makes sense to me also...Now we are stuck with this Duncan and his illness basically because he was untruthful when coming here.....Cmon U.S. wake up

Villages PL 10-06-2014 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDoug (Post 948954)
When we take a pet to another country they are quarantined for up to six months so why can't the people traveling from Africa be quarantined for 21 days. It has to be debated , sorry doesn't make any sense to me.

Who would pay for the 21 days in quarantine?

kansasr 10-06-2014 01:31 PM

And perhaps Europe should insist on a 21 day quarantine for all people coming from the United States because we have a case in the US.

Just stay in your home and turn off the television if Ebola worries you so much.

Villages PL 10-06-2014 01:57 PM

Here's another idea: Don't exchange bodily fluids with anyone who has just flown in from Africa.

Chi-Town 10-06-2014 02:08 PM

Sitting in DFW after a few days in the Big D. People were excited about the Cowboys-Texans game, the State Fair, and a big storm that hit on Thursday. A lot more angst on this thread.

BTW, security was a breeze.

rubicon 10-06-2014 02:13 PM

I believe that if medical professionals do not take aggressive actions to contain this Ebola outbreak it will soon travel beyond West Africa. Ebola could mutate and once it does contagion could come in the form of being airborne. the flu season is upon us and that will complicate this issue. Keep in mind 43 states already experiencing a enterovirus that killed a young boy

They should restrict travel from West Africa to any place in the world until they have this outbreak under control.

but you won't hear tht from those responsible for containment

dbussone 10-06-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 949093)
Who would pay for the 21 days in quarantine?


The same people paying for Duncan's hospitalization - us!

graciegirl 10-06-2014 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 949098)
and perhaps europe should insist on a 21 day quarantine for all people coming from the united states because we have a case in the us.

Just stay in your home and turn off the television if ebola worries you so much.


OH for a second or two there, I didn't know you were just kidding until I read your post below.

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Kansasr quote:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that vaccinations prevented 79,000 flu hospitalizations and 6.6 million flu-associated illnesses during the 2012-13 influenza season. Complications from the flu can be serious and result in hospitalization, and even death, for some patients. The best way to prevent the flu is to get vaccinated. unquotte

dbussone 10-06-2014 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 949124)
I believe that if medical professionals do not take aggressive actions to contain this Ebola outbreak it will soon travel beyond West Africa. Ebola could mutate and once it does contagion could come in the form of being airborne. the flu season is upon us and that will complicate this issue. Keep in mind 43 states already experiencing a enterovirus that killed a young boy

They should restrict travel from West Africa to any place in the world until they have this outbreak under control.

but you won't hear tht from those responsible for containment


We have a serious issue in this country when our leaders and medical authorities won't tell the truth or take appropriate action in order to remain PC.

TexaninVA 10-06-2014 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 949098)
And perhaps Europe should insist on a 21 day quarantine for all people coming from the United States because we have a case in the US.

Just stay in your home and turn off the television if Ebola worries you so much.

I'm curious about your response ... why the lapse into sarcasm?

Can you address the issues that others have raised? Do you, for example, know when the symptoms definitely indicate Ebola, as opposed to the flu? Or, can you tell us with certainty when it becomes infectious? Please enlighten us.

And finally, do you follow your own advice about turning off the TV when it comes to other current events topics such as ISIS?

graciegirl 10-06-2014 02:43 PM

Now is the time to stand up for your belief in the germ theory.

TexaninVA 10-06-2014 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 949132)
The same people paying for Duncan's hospitalization - us!

Assuming Duncan survives, he should then be prosecuted and deported.

KayakerNC 10-06-2014 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 949138)
We have a serious issue in this country when our leaders and medical authorities won't tell the truth or take appropriate action in order to remain PC.

Speaking of medical authorities and truth.
Did Thomas Duncan get dumped back on the street by the for-profit hospital because he's a Liberian national on a US visa and probably didn't have insurance?

graciegirl 10-06-2014 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KayakerNC (Post 949151)
Speaking of medical authorities and truth.
Did Thomas Duncan get dumped back on the street by the for-profit hospital because he's a Liberian national on a US visa and probably didn't have insurance?

Profit or not for profit is another issue entirely. Both kinds of hospitals take people without insurance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_care

That is what Rubicon taught me is a red herring. A change of subject in the face of a serious issue.

What do you think is the answer here? The answer to how we should handle the risk of Ebola spreading? What would you do if you had the power to do it?

DDoug 10-06-2014 03:28 PM

Who would pay for the 21 days the person being quarantined if they cant pay back to Africa

DDoug 10-06-2014 03:29 PM

Just remember HIV and that was only on a select few

gomoho 10-06-2014 04:32 PM

First case has now been documented in Spain. Someone today said other African countries were restricting movement, but we can't??? Please - the first step would be if your passport says Liberia you will not enter this country until further notice. It's a start. Oh yeah, I just remembered we forgot how to say no!

Barefoot 10-06-2014 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 949157)
What do you think is the answer here? The answer to how we should handle the risk of Ebola spreading? What would you do if you had the power to do it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 949124)
They should restrict travel from West Africa to any place in the world until they have this outbreak under control.

I think that Rubicon already stated the answer.

graciegirl 10-06-2014 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 949204)
I think that Rubicon already stated the answer.

I agree. I was asking those who think it is no big deal.

Barefoot 10-06-2014 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 949206)
I agree. I was asking those who think it is no big deal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 949124)
I believe that if medical professionals do not take aggressive actions to contain this Ebola outbreak it will soon travel beyond West Africa. Ebola could mutate and once it does contagion could come in the form of being airborne.

Oh Graciegirl, I'm not sure that anyone thinks that Ebola is "no big deal", even those who say so.
I don't think we can live in fear, but certainly restricting travel from West Africa would be a step in the right direction.
If Ebola can mutate into an airborne virus (and I have no idea if that is even possible), then I'd probably stay inside under my bed. :eek:

TexaninVA 10-06-2014 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 949093)
Who would pay for the 21 days in quarantine?

The country of origin should foot the bill

dbussone 10-06-2014 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KayakerNC (Post 949151)
Speaking of medical authorities and truth.

Did Thomas Duncan get dumped back on the street by the for-profit hospital because he's a Liberian national on a US visa and probably didn't have insurance?


Actually Dallas-Presbyterian is a not for profit hospital. From what I read, he was released the first time due to a communications mess-up.

dbussone 10-06-2014 07:12 PM

"If Ebola can mutate into an airborne virus (and I have no idea if that is even possible), then I'd probably stay inside under my bed."

It is very possible for mutation to an airborne virus version to develop. That is just about the worst possible thing that could happen. Containment would become as difficult as containing a flu outbreak...only much more deadly.

janmcn 10-06-2014 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 949277)
"If Ebola can mutate into an airborne virus (and I have no idea if that is even possible), then I'd probably stay inside under my bed."

It is very possible for mutation to an airborne virus version to develop. That is just about the worst possible thing that could happen. Containment would become as difficult as containing a flu outbreak...only much more deadly.


Ebola has been around since the 1970's. Why is it that it has not mutated to an airborne virus version before this?

dbussone 10-06-2014 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 949282)
Ebola has been around since the 1970's. Why is it that it has not mutated to an airborne virus version before this?


Because it has not developed the volume of recipients necessary to allow mutation to reach a critical level. As of today it is projected that the number of infected in W Africa could reach 1.5 million. That is a scary critical mass that might easily support conversion to an airborne version. I truly pray I am incorrect.

Aandjmassage 10-06-2014 07:35 PM

I think we got to stop sending reporters to go see it. Flying back in forth trying to creat there own news by get it.

Barefoot 10-06-2014 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 949287)
Because it has not developed the volume of recipients necessary to allow mutation to reach a critical level. As of today it is projected that the number of infected in W Africa could reach 1.5 million. That is a scary critical mass that might easily support conversion to an airborne version. I truly pray I am incorrect.

I also pray that you are incorrect.

Loudoll 10-06-2014 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 949093)
Who would pay for the 21 days in quarantine?

The traveler

Villages PL 10-07-2014 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 949223)
Oh Graciegirl, I'm not sure that anyone thinks that Ebola is "no big deal", even those who say so.
I don't think we can live in fear, but certainly restricting travel from West Africa would be a step in the right direction.
If Ebola can mutate into an airborne virus (and I have no idea if that is even possible), then I'd probably stay inside under my bed. :eek:

What about HIV? Could that mutate into an airborne virus? Remember how frightened everyone was when HIV was first discovered? Should we quarantine those with HIV?

KayakerNC 10-07-2014 02:19 PM

Madrid to Kill Dog of Nursing Aide Who Got Ebola.
"Madrid's regional government says it's going to kill the pet dog of a Spanish woman who became infected with Ebola.
Authorities said in a statement Tuesday that available scientific knowledge indicates there's a risk the dog could transmit the deadly virus to humans."


Madrid to Kill Dog of Nursing Aide Who Got Ebola - ABC News

Barefoot 10-07-2014 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KayakerNC (Post 949589)
Madrid to Kill Dog of Nursing Aide Who Got Ebola.
"Madrid's regional government says it's going to kill the pet dog of a Spanish woman who became infected with Ebola.
Authorities said in a statement Tuesday that available scientific knowledge indicates there's a risk the dog could transmit the deadly virus to humans."


Madrid to Kill Dog of Nursing Aide Who Got Ebola - ABC News

The headline could have used the word euthanize. But obviously no-one would want to take an unnecessary chance with such a deadly virus.

rubicon 10-07-2014 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 949585)
What about HIV? Could that mutate into an airborne virus? Remember how frightened everyone was when HIV was first discovered? Should we quarantine those with HIV?

Hi VillagesPL: I certainly can't explain why HIV hasn't mutated into an airbone virus yet but then I do not understand virus. However, I do know that combinations and permutations apply to the process of mutation and that alone would leave me very guarded. The question posed and never addressed by the medical authorities centers around the issue of mutation. Most of us know that virus mutate.

I believe this mutation issue is being avoided because the medical community has their hands full now.

In my view a well run effort to eradicate this epidemic is not to rule out any possible scenario's and the manner in which to deal with it should it come to fruition.

Barefoot 10-07-2014 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 949585)
Should we quarantine those with HIV?

HIV and AIDS are not curable, but they can be held in check. Antiretroviral medication prevents the virus from multiplying in the body.
Antiretroviral therapy consists of three or more drugs that the patient has to take for the rest of their lives.
Such treatment has reduced the death rate from HIV by around 80 percent.

gomoho 10-07-2014 06:05 PM

Barefoot - not sure the fella in the Dallas hospital would agree with you about Ebola. We don't really have a cure - experimental drugs maybe, but not a cure.


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