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gamby 10-08-2014 11:37 PM

Adverse Effects of Acute Cannabis Use,
 
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ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 7 October 2014.

Adverse Effects of Cannabis Use,

•Cannabis does not produce fatal overdoses.
•Driving while cannabis-intoxicated doubles the risk of a car crash; this risk increases substantially if users are also alcohol-intoxicated.
•Cannabis use during pregnancy slightly reduces birth weight of the baby.

Adverse Effects of Chronic Cannabis Use

•Regular cannabis users can develop a dependence syndrome, the risks of which are around 1 in 10 of all cannabis users and 1 in 6 among those who start in adolescence.
•Regular cannabis users double their risks of experiencing psychotic symptoms and disorders, especially if they have a personal or family history of psychotic disorders, and if they start using cannabis in their mid-teens.
•Regular adolescent cannabis users have lower educational attainment than non-using peers but we don't know whether the link is causal.
•Regular adolescent cannabis users are more likely to use other illicit drugs, but we don't know whether the link is causal.
•Regular cannabis use that begins in adolescence and continues throughout young adulthood appears to produce intellectual impairment, but the mechanism and reversibility of the impairment is unclear.
•Regular cannabis use in adolescence approximately doubles the risk of being diagnosed with schizophrenia or reporting psychotic symptoms in adulthood.
•Regular cannabis smokers have a higher risk of developing chronic bronchitis.
•Cannabis smoking by middle aged adults probably increases the risk of myocardial infarction.

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Deseylou 10-09-2014 05:02 AM

Lucky for me I have NEVER smoked anything

Uberschaf 10-09-2014 05:19 AM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report, "From 2001–2005, there were approximately 79,000 deaths annually attributable to excessive alcohol use. In fact, excessive alcohol use is the 3rd leading lifestyle-related cause of death for people in the United States each year." A 1993 study estimated US deaths through alcohol at 100,000
(Wikipedia).And still legal.Willie Nelson said he knows of one death by cannabis ,a bale of it fell on him.

Cisco Kid 10-09-2014 05:47 AM

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
Pot reminds me of Global Warming.
Your facts or mine.

mickey100 10-09-2014 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uberschaf (Post 950262)
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report, "From 2001–2005, there were approximately 79,000 deaths annually attributable to excessive alcohol use. In fact, excessive alcohol use is the 3rd leading lifestyle-related cause of death for people in the United States each year." A 1993 study estimated US deaths through alcohol at 100,000
(Wikipedia).And still legal.Willie Nelson said he knows of one death by cannabis ,a bale of it fell on him.

:bigbow:

And look at the deaths related to cigarette and tobacco use. Enough said.

billethkid 10-09-2014 06:38 AM

why is it that pot has become legal to sell over the counter when many other mind/behavior/judgement altering/impairing drugs, which are legal but remain CONTROLLLED substances, with very detailed monitoring and distribution?

Jaggy 10-09-2014 06:42 AM

•Driving while cannabis-intoxicated doubles the risk of a car crash; this risk increases substantially if users are also alcohol-intoxicated.
What an intelligent statement.. Duh.. was the author "high"?

memason 10-09-2014 07:46 AM

I'm still trying to determine the point of the original post???

graciegirl 10-09-2014 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memason (Post 950312)
I'm still trying to determine the point of the original post???

Not only do I know the point of the original post but I will soon know who smokes pot in The Villages and who does not.

Carry on.

P.S. I don't and I don't drink alcohol either. I am thoroughly boring and annoying but not holier than thou.

Indydealmaker 10-09-2014 08:34 AM

There is a ton of data regarding how much alcohol can be imbibed before the drinker is driving impaired.

Has there been any studies that show the same for cannabis impairment?

TheVillageChicken 10-09-2014 08:39 AM

Acute use of anything has adverse affects.

Chi-Town 10-09-2014 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 950315)
Not only do I know the point of the original post but I will soon know who smokes pot in The Villages and who does not.

Carry on.

P.S. I don't and I don't drink alcohol either. I am thoroughly boring and annoying but not holier than thou.

GG, you're not going to narc on them, are you?

graciegirl 10-09-2014 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 950390)
GG, you're not going to narc on them, are you?


Not if they pay me.

redwitch 10-09-2014 09:50 AM

Not sure how causal adolescent use of grass and later psychiatric dxes really relate. The reality is that many who are in the beginning stages of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and many other mental illnesses use non-prescription drugs as a way to alleviate their symptoms. This was true in the 1800's and is true today. It could be just as logical to say that mental illness can cause drug abuse.

Addictions come in all forms. I once had a boss who was a runner. I could always tell if he hadn't had his morning run. Without the endorphin high, he got the shakes, was irritable and hyper until he could get his run in. So, it should be no surprise that someone who uses marijuana daily for years has developed an addiction. Ditto lung damage.

As to driving and being impaired via alcohol, legal drugs, illegal drugs or anything else that floats your boat, no excuse. Hanging by the short hairs is too kind. To me, you are free to do whatever you want to your body in the privacy of your home but you do not have the right to endanger me, my family, my friends or a stranger because you think you can handle your drug and drive.

BTW, I am not a user. Haven't been for over thirty years and then only occasionally. But I really see less harm in smoking a joint than in alcohol usage.

looneycat 10-09-2014 07:57 PM

I (gasp, wheeze, cough)..huh? ;-)

VT2TV 10-09-2014 08:27 PM

Wonder what is going to be the new.."But officer, I only had 2 beers." Is that now going to be..."but officer, I only had 2 beers, a couple of joints, or other assortment of pharmaceuticals..." I am really afraid that the same drivers who may really have stopped at 2 beers won;t see any problems with smoking a joint(s), because they are used to smoking while drinking, and a lot of damage could be done by the time they realize the effects of the added joints to alcohol. I also have to wonder about the effects of children and others, but mostly children or the infirm, in being around all the second hand smoke from the joints. It is way, way too soon to have enough studies about how much drug kids, etc. will actually be exposed too just being in a crowd of people lighting up, or even walking in and out of buildings. Will the parents be responsible enough to be extra diligent about not standing around people smoking a joint? It is bad enough being around regular cigarette smoke. I am not trying to be judge or jury, but way too many unknows at this time, can see wayyyy more problems than with "just cigarettes or just weed, and "just alcohol or alcohol and just weed."

Vernster 10-09-2014 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 950410)
Not sure how causal adolescent use of grass and later psychiatric dxes really relate. The reality is that many who are in the beginning stages of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and many other mental illnesses use non-prescription drugs as a way to alleviate their symptoms. This was true in the 1800's and is true today. It could be just as logical to say that mental illness can cause drug abuse.

Addictions come in all forms. I once had a boss who was a runner. I could always tell if he hadn't had his morning run. Without the endorphin high, he got the shakes, was irritable and hyper until he could get his run in. So, it should be no surprise that someone who uses marijuana daily for years has developed an addiction. Ditto lung damage.

As to driving and being impaired via alcohol, legal drugs, illegal drugs or anything else that floats your boat, no excuse. Hanging by the short hairs is too kind. To me, you are free to do whatever you want to your body in the privacy of your home but you do not have the right to endanger me, my family, my friends or a stranger because you think you can handle your drug and drive.

BTW, I am not a user. Haven't been for over thirty years and then only occasionally. But I really see less harm in smoking a joint than in alcohol usage.

Great post Red. I agree 100%. I think many of us have smoked a few joints along the way and I personally think it is a lot less harmful as tobacco cigarettes.

Sandtrap328 10-09-2014 10:29 PM

Sure, it is not a secret that chronic (longterm) use of weed will have effects.

The situation is speaking, however, for medical weed. Reduce the pain and the suffering by voting YES for medical marijuana.

The scare ads on tv are put out by drug companies who do not want competition.

There will be some abuse. There is some abuse of tobacco which is lots worse than weed. There is some abuse of alcohol. There is abuse of candy, hamburgers, french fries, and driving golf carts. Do not worry about the abuse of a few. Think of the greater good it will do so many more!

Penguin 10-09-2014 10:50 PM

Let me see, adverse affects of extreme cannabis use. Oh I know, significant weight gain. :1rotfl:

graciegirl 10-10-2014 07:09 AM

So far I haven't been wrong on my guesses of those who do and those who don't.

tommy steam 10-10-2014 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 950271)
:bigbow:

And look at the deaths related to cigarette and tobacco use. Enough said.

CDC.... 480,000 deaths a year from smoking cigaretts and 41,000 from second hand smoke.

Lonnyward 10-10-2014 07:51 AM

those who are of the mind set to try pot are probably also of the mind set to try other drugs as well. This does NOT mean that pot is a gateway drug. Rather, it only shows that people open to trying things, may very well do so. Saying that smoking pot LEADS to other drugs (the gateway garbage) is just that - garbage!

rubicon 10-10-2014 10:37 AM

Today's pot is much higher in THC and four times the carcinogens than cigarettes. The comparison of pot to cigarettes and alcohol is a canard. Consider further that cigarettes were deemed medically dangerous and socially unacceptable and people have been banned from use in almost every place and penalized at work by health insurers for use. Yet people now want legalized pot which means they can smoke it anywhere and if they can't will anyway. Consider further that the government even wants to control the new vapor cigarettes VAPE

Many top level and respected medical people worldwide have indicated that causal use by young people, defined as once a week leads to a drop in memory loss and a drop in IQ of 6-8 points. There is an association with mental illness that medical experts are uncovering. Experts have known for years that alcohol has adverse effects with people who sustained brain injury. We now known that cocaine can exacerbate the beginnings of MS
( to wit Robin Williams)
So why is it so far fetched to believe pot chemicals can't adversely affect the brain?

The excuse for passing Amendment 2 in Florida is for medicinal purposes only but the fact is that the amendment leaves the opportunity wide open for recreational use and people like Atty Morgan of Morgan and Morgan is pushing it. He appeared at a rally and it was clear from the video that everyone including him was stoned and that they demand passage of recreational us. In the meantime the Governor of Colorado pleaded with other states considering this law to back away.

If the true intent of amendment 2 is for medicinal use only then make it for marijuana's oil extract only and meter it use tightly under federal medical laws applying to other drugs at pharmacies . Keep in mind the problem this country is experiencing with abuse of opiods

Its clear the only people who really want recreational us of marijuana are business people who will greatly profit from it, politicians who will gain a huge tax reservoir and users.

VT2TV 10-11-2014 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 950909)
Today's pot is much higher in THC and four times the carcinogens than cigarettes. The comparison of pot to cigarettes and alcohol is a canard. Consider further that cigarettes were deemed medically dangerous and socially unacceptable and people have been banned from use in almost every place and penalized at work by health insurers for use. Yet people now want legalized pot which means they can smoke it anywhere and if they can't will anyway. Consider further that the government even wants to control the new vapor cigarettes VAPE

Many top level and respected medical people worldwide have indicated that causal use by young people, defined as once a week leads to a drop in memory loss and a drop in IQ of 6-8 points. There is an association with mental illness that medical experts are uncovering. Experts have known for years that alcohol has adverse effects with people who sustained brain injury. We now known that cocaine can exacerbate the beginnings of MS
( to wit Robin Williams)
So why is it so far fetched to believe pot chemicals can't adversely affect the brain?

The excuse for passing Amendment 2 in Florida is for medicinal purposes only but the fact is that the amendment leaves the opportunity wide open for recreational use and people like Atty Morgan of Morgan and Morgan is pushing it. He appeared at a rally and it was clear from the video that everyone including him was stoned and that they demand passage of recreational us. In the meantime the Governor of Colorado pleaded with other states considering this law to back away.

If the true intent of amendment 2 is for medicinal use only then make it for marijuana's oil extract only and meter it use tightly under federal medical laws applying to other drugs at pharmacies . Keep in mind the problem this country is experiencing with abuse of opiods

Its clear the only people who really want recreational us of marijuana are business people who will greatly profit from it, politicians who will gain a huge tax reservoir and users.



Excellent post. Actually, the oral cannibis is used for the elderly as a appetite stimulant. I am afraid we are going to find a Pandora's box effect with this course. I very much think marijuana is a "gateway drug" and it will not take long to see many problems. On the lighter side.....you think parents have a problem keeping their adult children from living in their houses now........wait until they stay stoned and munch all day. They will be fat and happy... as long as they don't get into a car.

Sandtrap328 10-11-2014 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 950909)
Today's pot is much higher in THC and four times the carcinogens than cigarettes. The comparison of pot to cigarettes and alcohol is a canard. Consider further that cigarettes were deemed medically dangerous and socially unacceptable and people have been banned from use in almost every place and penalized at work by health insurers for use. Yet people now want legalized pot which means they can smoke it anywhere and if they can't will anyway. Consider further that the government even wants to control the new vapor cigarettes VAPE

Many top level and respected medical people worldwide have indicated that causal use by young people, defined as once a week leads to a drop in memory loss and a drop in IQ of 6-8 points. There is an association with mental illness that medical experts are uncovering. Experts have known for years that alcohol has adverse effects with people who sustained brain injury. We now known that cocaine can exacerbate the beginnings of MS
( to wit Robin Williams)
So why is it so far fetched to believe pot chemicals can't adversely affect the brain?

The excuse for passing Amendment 2 in Florida is for medicinal purposes only but the fact is that the amendment leaves the opportunity wide open for recreational use and people like Atty Morgan of Morgan and Morgan is pushing it. He appeared at a rally and it was clear from the video that everyone including him was stoned and that they demand passage of recreational us. In the meantime the Governor of Colorado pleaded with other states considering this law to back away.

If the true intent of amendment 2 is for medicinal use only then make it for marijuana's oil extract only and meter it use tightly under federal medical laws applying to other drugs at pharmacies . Keep in mind the problem this country is experiencing with abuse of opiods

Its clear the only people who really want recreational us of marijuana are business people who will greatly profit from it, politicians who will gain a huge tax reservoir and users.

This posting is NOT what legalized medical marijuana is about at all. It is to relieve pain from debilitating disease and provide comfort from chemotherapy.

Big drug companies are against it so they can continue to produce the pills we see advertised and we all ask our doctors for the latest and greatest.

Some medical marijuana will be misused for sure. Look, however, to the greater good for the huge groups that will be helped by usage of medical marijuana.

graciegirl 10-11-2014 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 951246)
This posting is NOT what legalized medical marijuana is about at all. It is to relieve pain from debilitating disease and provide comfort from chemotherapy.

Big drug companies are against it so they can continue to produce the pills we see advertised and we all ask our doctors for the latest and greatest.

Some medical marijuana will be misused for sure. Look, however, to the greater good for the huge groups that will be helped by usage of medical marijuana.




Look, if you smoke it, don't try to legitimatize it with that argument. There are all kinds of legitimate drugs like Kytril that take away nausea from chemo. Don't make pharmaceutical companies that produce a myriad of medicines to help all kinds of ailments, the bad guy. The use of marijuana is not going to take away the kind of pain that codeine soothes or other strong drugs for people truly in agony. And I am skeptical if it really helps people with seizure disorders. Those two reasons are not going to even wound "Big Pharma".

I was utterly surprised and shocked to see the overwhelming number of people on this forum who favor pot becoming legal. There is no doubt in my mind that pot will become legal in Florida but I am worried about then what will happen to kids and to people driving and drinking and toking.

A majority of the people on this forum obviously use marijuana now. And it is illegal. That is what really, really surprised me.

Here is the poll started by Quirky3 some time ago. 88 to 44 favored the legalization of marijuana for recreational use.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...ijuana-107224/

blueash 10-11-2014 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 950909)
In the meantime the Governor of Colorado pleaded with other states considering this law to back away.

Of course Colorado's law is legalization of recreational use, not what Amendment 2 proposes for Florida. The governor's objection is to a lack of data, being the first state, opposing the Federal statutes. There may be just a bit of irony in his opposition as his business prior to politics was brewing alcohol, that other intoxicant.

Gov. John Hickenlooper: It Was 'Reckless' For Colorado To Legalize Marijuana

Hickenlooper was asked during a gubernatorial debate about other state governors who may be considering legalizing marijuana.

"I would view it as reckless before we see what the consequences are" in Colorado, Hickenlooper said, International Business Times reported. His Republican challenger, Bob Beauprez, agreed with the "reckless" characterization, according to Politico.

Hickenlooper later expanded on Colorado's legalization, saying: "I think for us to do that without having all the data, there is not enough data, and to a certain extent you could say it was reckless.

"I'm not saying it was reckless, because I'll get quoted everywhere," Hickenlooper added. "But if it was up to me, I wouldn't have done it, right. I opposed it from the very beginning. All right, what the hell -- I'll say it was reckless."

Kathy Green, interim spokeswoman for the governor, later explained: "In the face of inaction from the federal government, Colorado voters had no choice but to act on their own. While the governor believes it was reckless for Colorado to be the first state to violate federal drug laws, it is clear that Colorado voters saw no other choice -- and we are committed to carrying out their will, as democracy demands."

Hickenlooper has said in the past that he "hates" that Colorado is the "experiment" on marijuana legalization and has urged other governors to be cautious in considering reform laws. He also has said the drug war has been a "disaster" and he can see why so many people support reform.

graciegirl 10-11-2014 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 951256)
Of course Colorado's law is legalization of recreational use, not what Amendment 2 proposes for Florida. The governor's objection is to a lack of data, being the first state, opposing the Federal statutes. There may be just a bit of irony in his opposition as his business prior to politics was brewing alcohol, that other intoxicant.

Gov. John Hickenlooper: It Was 'Reckless' For Colorado To Legalize Marijuana

Hickenlooper was asked during a gubernatorial debate about other state governors who may be considering legalizing marijuana.

"I would view it as reckless before we see what the consequences are" in Colorado, Hickenlooper said, International Business Times reported. His Republican challenger, Bob Beauprez, agreed with the "reckless" characterization, according to Politico.

Hickenlooper later expanded on Colorado's legalization, saying: "I think for us to do that without having all the data, there is not enough data, and to a certain extent you could say it was reckless.

"I'm not saying it was reckless, because I'll get quoted everywhere," Hickenlooper added. "But if it was up to me, I wouldn't have done it, right. I opposed it from the very beginning. All right, what the hell -- I'll say it was reckless."

Kathy Green, interim spokeswoman for the governor, later explained: "In the face of inaction from the federal government, Colorado voters had no choice but to act on their own. While the governor believes it was reckless for Colorado to be the first state to violate federal drug laws, it is clear that Colorado voters saw no other choice -- and we are committed to carrying out their will, as democracy demands."

Hickenlooper has said in the past that he "hates" that Colorado is the "experiment" on marijuana legalization and has urged other governors to be cautious in considering reform laws. He also has said the drug war has been a "disaster" and he can see why so many people support reform.


Aside from politics, how do YOU feel about the legalization of marijuana?

Sandtrap328 10-11-2014 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 951254)
Look, if you smoke it, don't try to legitimatize it with that argument. There are all kinds of legitimate drugs like Kytril that take away nausea from chemo. Don't make pharmaceutical companies that produce a myriad of medicines to help all kinds of ailments, the bad guy. The use of marijuana is not going to take away the kind of pain that codeine soothes or other strong drugs for people truly in agony. And I am skeptical if it really helps people with seizure disorders. Those two reasons are not going to even wound "Big Pharma".

I was utterly surprised and shocked to see the overwhelming number of people on this forum who favor pot becoming legal. There is no doubt in my mind that pot will become legal in Florida but I am worried about then what will happen to kids and to people driving and drinking and toking.

A majority of the people on this forum obviously use marijuana now. And it is illegal. That is what really, really surprised me.

Here is the poll started by Quirky3 some time ago. 88 to 44 favored the legalization of marijuana for recreational use.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...ijuana-107224/

Your marijuana radar went off prematurely on me. Last time I took a couple of hits from a joint was over 40 years ago and that was maybe the third time I ever had any. No, I am not a smoker of MJ.

I see all of your viewpoints and respect them (and you) and understand what you say. I, though, believe MJ would be better for pain and nausea than the codeine and drugs. I may be wrong and hope my wife and I will never have to find out if this is right or wrong.

As for "social smoking" - NO! I have found it is just the most pleasant thing to sit with friends, have an ice-cold Heineken, converse about this wonderful place,and hopefully have a friendly little black panther on the chair arm to pet.

redwitch 10-11-2014 07:34 AM

Gracie, I'd say that the majority of Baby Boomers have tried grass and, unlike Clinton, they did inhale. Some still use today. Some don't. Some are chronic users. Some aren't. Some smoke grass on a truly recreational basis, don't smoke and drive, and are otherwise very law-abiding citizens. To me, it is less evil than alcohol.

I'm very pro medical usage of marijuana. When I was going through chemo, I could hold nothing down and no legal medication was working. Back then, there was no legalization. Finally got some joints from a friend at the advice of my doctor. That worked. The marijuana helped save my life as much as the chemo did. I didn't smoke any more once I was off chemo and haven't had any since. Please don't think that just because there is a pill that works for some or claims to work for all necessarily works for everyone.

graciegirl 10-11-2014 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 951279)
Gracie, I'd say that the majority of Baby Boomers have tried grass and, unlike Clinton, they did inhale. Some still use today. Some don't. Some are chronic users. Some aren't. Some smoke grass on a truly recreational basis, don't smoke and drive, and are otherwise very law-abiding citizens. To me, it is less evil than alcohol.

I'm very pro medical usage of marijuana. When I was going through chemo, I could hold nothing down and no legal medication was working. Back then, there was no legalization. Finally got some joints from a friend at the advice of my doctor. That worked. The marijuana helped save my life as much as the chemo did. I didn't smoke any more once I was off chemo and haven't had any since. Please don't think that just because there is a pill that works for some or claims to work for all necessarily works for everyone.


Back then there was no Kytril.

Cisco Kid 10-11-2014 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy steam (Post 950809)
CDC.... 480,000 deaths a year from smoking cigaretts and 41,000 from second hand smoke.

Now why would the good people at the tobacco company want to kill off there buyers ?

cologal 10-11-2014 09:17 AM

As a former resident of that Rocky Mountain High state.....

After traveling for 24 years for the first time checking in I had to sign a paper requiring me not to smoke pot in the room. I just cracked up.

So just for fun we visited the local Pot Shop.... just took pictures for Facebook.

Graduated from college 1972 still haven't smoked POT!

rubicon 10-11-2014 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 950410)
Not sure how causal adolescent use of grass and later psychiatric dxes really relate. The reality is that many who are in the beginning stages of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and many other mental illnesses use non-prescription drugs as a way to alleviate their symptoms. This was true in the 1800's and is true today. It could be just as logical to say that mental illness can cause drug abuse.

Addictions come in all forms. I once had a boss who was a runner. I could always tell if he hadn't had his morning run. Without the endorphin high, he got the shakes, was irritable and hyper until he could get his run in. So, it should be no surprise that someone who uses marijuana daily for years has developed an addiction. Ditto lung damage.

As to driving and being impaired via alcohol, legal drugs, illegal drugs or anything else that floats your boat, no excuse. Hanging by the short hairs is too kind. To me, you are free to do whatever you want to your body in the privacy of your home but you do not have the right to endanger me, my family, my friends or a stranger because you think you can handle your drug and drive.

BTW, I am not a user. Haven't been for over thirty years and then only occasionally. But I really see less harm in smoking a joint than in alcohol usage.

redwitch: Perhaps you are correct? However some experts believe that people who are genetically pre-disposed to mental illness but would have never experienced it trigger the brain chemistry, their billions of neurons etc and create an illness they could have avoided.

rubicon 10-11-2014 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 951246)
This posting is NOT what legalized medical marijuana is about at all. It is to relieve pain from debilitating disease and provide comfort from chemotherapy.

Big drug companies are against it so they can continue to produce the pills we see advertised and we all ask our doctors for the latest and greatest.

Some medical marijuana will be misused for sure. Look, however, to the greater good for the huge groups that will be helped by usage of medical marijuana.

Hi sandtrap: forgive the pun but if you read amendment 2 carefully you will see it is a trap to establish a clearing for recreational use. As to medicinal use they can extract the oil from the plant and gain the medicinal benefit without the pyschoactive highs. States now are grappling with people who abuse opoids and who had to place over the counter drugs behind locked doors preventing dealers from using them to make meth. If it is for medicinal purposes then use the oil extract and meter it closely or we are going to have just another drug problem.

Actually the medicinal thing is a hoax created by profit seekers and tax hungry politicians and of course the stoners who want the right.
Doesn't anyone else see the fallacy between outlawing cigarettes as medically dangerous and socially unacceptable but allowing something more insidious as legal marijuana. what message are we sending to our kids. what parent in their right mind would approve of their kids use of dope?
"Here sweetie take this $20 and go down to the store and pick yourself some good reefers.

Am I still on planet earth???????????????????? Are we actually having this conversation while he rest of the world burns? Where the heck are our priorities?

B767drvr 10-11-2014 11:57 AM

Here are a few articles that may assist in understanding the FACTS:


Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why I changed my mind on weed - CNN.com


Medical Marijuana Legalization: Pro-Pot Laws Do Not Lead To More Drug Use Among Teens, Study Finds


UCSF Study Finds Medical Marijuana Could Help Patients Reduce Pain with Opiates | ucsf.edu


Marijuana Shown to Be Less Damaging to Lungs Than Tobacco | ucsf.edu


As Anecdotal Reports of Anti-Cancer Effects from Cannabis 'Oil' Pile Up, Doctors Stress Need to Document Its Effects | Alternet

cologal 10-11-2014 12:42 PM

There is a strain called Charlottes Web which contains no THC and works well in children. Pot smokers don't want it because there is no high! Many familes have moved to Colorado for treatment.

rubicon 10-11-2014 01:47 PM

B767drvr I have two words in response to these well meaning people

UNINTENTIONAL CONSEQUENCES. does anyone really believe that a government that can't win the war on drugs is going to be able to contain the outlaw us of legal marijuana? do the tight laws associated with cigarettes and alcohol stop underage people from obtaining them at their leisure?

The three things promoting this campaign are profits, taxes and legal use

jbdlfan 10-11-2014 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 951351)
Hi sandtrap: forgive the pun but if you read amendment 2 carefully you will see it is a trap to establish a clearing for recreational use. As to medicinal use they can extract the oil from the plant and gain the medicinal benefit without the pyschoactive highs. States now are grappling with people who abuse opoids and who had to place over the counter drugs behind locked doors preventing dealers from using them to make meth. If it is for medicinal purposes then use the oil extract and meter it closely or we are going to have just another drug problem.

Actually the medicinal thing is a hoax created by profit seekers and tax hungry politicians and of course the stoners who want the right.
Doesn't anyone else see the fallacy between outlawing cigarettes as medically dangerous and socially unacceptable but allowing something more insidious as legal marijuana. what message are we sending to our kids. what parent in their right mind would approve of their kids use of dope?
"Here sweetie take this $20 and go down to the store and pick yourself some good reefers.

Am I still on planet earth???????????????????? Are we actually having this conversation while he rest of the world burns? Where the heck are our priorities?

Not that I disagree with your point, but, how many ever had their parent or grandparent allow them to "sip" a drink of their beer? I grew up in a largely German/Lutheran rural community that allowed and even encouraged alcohol consumption on a regular basis. How many folks on this forum consumed alcohol in front of their children or grandchildren that would result in their blood alcohol level to be above the legal limit, even if you are at home. I think in many cases, we are quite hypocritical in the use of alcohol versus drug use. JMHO

cologal 10-11-2014 02:04 PM

Taxes
 
I voted against legal weed in CO... While the state is making money from taxes this windfall is not as large as expected.

The T shirt companies are having great fun and making money!!!


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