Arrests in historic area of TV
 

Three residents of the Historic Side of the Villages were arrested Wednesday after complaints from Villagers about illegal activity.
The arrests were made by the Lady Lake Police Department and Lake County Sheriff’s Office.
Drug detection K-9s and laser speed enforcement were among some of the techniques utilized during this operation, said Lady Lake Police Chief Chris McKinstry. Three illegal/modified/altered golf carts were impounded during the operation, the chief added.
Complete story is in the online village newspaper with addresses and pictures of the unsavory characters that were arrested.

This guy (Wagner) must have had a tough 40 years.


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Village residents or village renters?

All three mug shots just look so remorseful. I hope these actions take them off the street.

All three are residents......not renters

Thank you Gerryann such a sorry situation

All I have is the mobile app for the Sun. Is it on there? How do I find the story, please?

Um, renters aren't residents?

https://www.facebook.com/TheVillagesNews?fref=nf

facebook villages news......they tell you all the real stuff that happens in the villages......not just the fluffy stuff that comes in the villages paper.... newspaper.

thank you....my question as well.

and Facebook is a plethora of indisputible fact ......eh?

Substitute sleeze for "real stuff".
BTW if you don't like the fluffy stuff.........don't read the Daily Sun.

My limited research indicates that Privada Dr is not in the historic section; but the house at that address lists an older couple in their 70s as the owners; this Wagner might be their son? If so, would seem that losers live in other villages neighborhoods, too!

Records do not show either of the residents of Teakwood Lane as owners of #2795 - so they must be renters?

Can someone tell me if the 80/20 rule as to age refers to the property owners or to the occupiers (renters, owners)?

I am serious. I don't know, but the parade of under 55 yr old arrestees over the past year here does lead me to ask this question.

No flamethrowing needed, just civil discussion please. Thanks everyone. :)

Don't know...only answering rubicons question.

Onslowe- I have noticed the people being arrested are under 50 yrs. not liking this

Well, some criticized in another thread that the developer buying up 40+ dilapidated, tear-down homes in TV's original section, and building new villas and ranch/cottage homes on them (for around $200,000) would price lower income people out of TV.

If the tear-down, dilapidated homes are left there, it will only attract more of a bad element like the ones arrested, it seems to me. I don't think you can have it both ways. It's either tear down and revitalize, or let the area go downhill with more of the likes of these arrestees attracted to the lower prices/rent on the run-down properties.

Out on $2000 Bail.

[QUOTE=onslowe;950728]Can someone tell me if the 80/20 rule as to age refers to the property owners or to the occupiers (renters, owners)?


The law is explained here. Complying with the 80% rule enables us to discriminate against families with children under the age of 18. Otherwise, such discrimination is illegal.

Senior Housing - HUD

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the arrests happened in the historic district. In fact, I think that I witnessed them. I was driving my golf cart on Wednesday and noticed several police cars in the area. As I went across Shay, I saw three or four police cars that had two golf carts pulled over. A few bystanders were standing by watching. I didn't go down to see what was going on but it looked very peculiar to me. As I made my way over to the golf cart bridge, I saw three or four more police cars driving around. They were both Lady Lake and County Sheriff cars.

I've been saying for a while now that there is a group of people here that are frightening. The police know who they are and have been slowly getting them off the streets. I believe that the people in the sex on the utility box were part of this group.The people who stole the beer from the Circle K and the ones who stole the golf clubs from the Circle K parking lot are also part of the same group that also includes the people running the golf cart chop shop.

The police went through a lot to get these folks. According to the article, Drug detection K-9s and laser speed enforcement were among some of the techniques utilized during this operation. Two of the people were arrested for driving without a license. How many times have you heard of people being arrested for that. It's usually a ticket and they tow your car. And that seems like an awful lot of police work for driving without a license.

The other guy was nabbed for a gun violation and drug possession while on probation. He's probably in big trouble.

The other thing that was mentioned was that the arrests were prompted by complaints from residents in this area of illegal activity.

We have a criminal gang operating here and it's good to see that the police are taking action to eliminate them.

I must have missed something. What were they doing that caused someone to call the police. Charged with driving on suspended license? Had a gun in the house? Not trying to be smart or anything. Just wondering why someone called the police?

Stolen golf carts, other complaints lead to Villages police operation - Daily Commercial: News

It sounds like this group had been under surveillance by the police after numerous complaints by neighbors.

I wonder the same thing. Most of the DUI's and other arrest have been under 55.

I always get a boot of people who disparage renters, if you have a mortgage you're a renter,too---the bank is your landlord

[quote=Advogado;951260]Thanks sincerely Avogado. It did answer the question I had. The HUD rules involve 80% of the 'occupiers' of houses, not title owners. Unfortunately, that leaves me with a bad feeling as to the possible abuse of the rule via unchecked rentals.

And those who feel better helping and defending the downtrodden renters from their armchairs, go ahead and have at it. I just know what I bought into and relied upon and agreed to.

Not so!:shrug:

[quote=onslowe;951380]I don't think that we are in danger of having more than 20% of the houses without at least one occupant 55 or over. In fact, I don't personally know of any-- although, in theory, it could happen some day. It is a specter that Blechman raises in his attack book, Leisureville. I think that it is highly unlikely in the foreseeable future, however.

[quote=Advogado;951429]I know at least 15 homes OWNED by individuals under 55. Me being one. As far as the culprits being under 50 lately, it is more telling that they are renters than that of their age. Us that are owners of that age, tend to be more concerned about our community than those that don't. I have been a renter here as well as an owner, but in both cases, we took care of ourselves and our home as if we did in fact own it. Sadly, not always the case.

That's simply not true. If you have a mortgage, you, not the bank owns the house. If you fail to pay the bank, they have a right to sue to take your property in lieu of repayment of the mortgage. That is a huge difference.

Records are kept by The Villages. They have access to that information through the amenities fees and every person that buys a home or rents signs a disclosure form and an agreement. It is part of the closing procedure.

The law reads that 80% of the homes must be occupied by at least one person over the age of 55. It's entirely possible for 4/5 of the residents here to be under 55 and still be in compliance with the law.

I think that if you look at police records in general, fewer crimes are committed by older people.

[quote=jbdlfan;951440]I think that you make a very good point that we should not be painting all renters or all people under 55 with a broad brush. There are good and bad in every age group. I hate to see all of the good renters or good people under the age of 55 get marked because of these few idiots.

Back in Rooster Poot, I lived near a section that had many elderly home owners when I bought. By the time I left, these homes belonged to heirs who either sold them cheap or rented them out...also cheap. As a result, it became "a neighborhood in transition."
HUD was paying a lot of the rents. Property values dropped and crime went up. Maybe this is what has happened in the historic side of TV.

That is exactly my point. I am sure all of us may know one or maybe several residents under 55. With all due respect, that means very very little. I know at least fifteen reported arrests in the Villages involving well under 55 year old persons. But consider for a moment, if you know at least fifteen, and others throughout the Villages 'know at least fifteen', isnt that something that could, not 'does', could destroy the 80/20 proportion we relied upon?

My point is the observable incidents of the latter age group as residents here being arrested. I observe many many young people here on Villages roads in golf carts with grocery bags. I observe many young people arriving at Villages restaurants and stores in golf carts.

Please don't tell me they are all 'visiting' the folks. Please do not tell me that if one inherits a property in an age restricted area the HUD 80/20 rule, supposedly followed by the developer, magically disappears.

Village Chicken's scenario above is worthy of consideration. My concern is for my investment, my property value. My concern is for the bargain I made and the representations and rules I relied upon.

Maybe there is no procedure in place here to monitor 80/20 rule adherence with those who rent.

And I'll say the politically incorrect but very true fact of life. It's not about 'renters' it's rather about the type of 'renter.' You know, resumes, references, jobs etc.

Remember in "Breaking Bad" how Jesse inherits his grandmother's house and he and Walt set up a meth lab in it? That type thing can and does happen these days all over the country. Now I appreciate it was just a fictional television show but I know where that house is in Albuquerque. It is in an old and very exclusive neighborhood near the Albuquerque Country Club. My hope is that neighbors all over The Villages remain alert about what goes on in their neighborhood, especially when owners pass on or rent to unvetted tenants.

http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/meth-lab-map/

My question as well, renters aren't residents ? Ummm.

You may find it helpful if you refer to the law regarding senior living.

http://www.floridahousinglaw.com/pdf...er_persons.pdf

Based on some research I have done, I am satisfied our CCD management is fully aware of their responsibility regarding this law and they are taking necessary steps to stay in compliance.

BTW, onslowe, I am intrigued by your name. Any connection to "Keeping Up Appearances"?

Doesn't 20% of 100k= 20k?

I saw nothing in paper about them being charged with stolen golf carts.

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There is a procedure in place to monitor the 80/20 rule. It is mandated by federal law. Do you think that The Villages would risk losing their over 55 status by not keeping proper records?

And I will repeat this once again. Read the law and do a little simple math. Out of 100,000 residents, only 20,000 need to be over 55 in order to comply with the law.