Off roading to walmart
 

I have not followed it all that close but whoever owns the property that many villagers use to off road to lowes, walmart, and aldis, could he block that path so that would cut off golf carts traffic?:yuck:

Of Course He Can

Yes, he can. It's his property.

I'm sad that The Village Developers didn't think ahead to make it easier for the folks who use golf carts for shopping at Lowe's, Beall's, Walmart, etc. :gc:

You would think thar Garry Morris would have planned this place better!

Not to start an argument but we want GC access to Lowe's etc. over property that TV doesn't own but we don't want outsiders coming onto property that they don't own. I know we pay to use the MM paths but taxes are paid on that property that he owns. Do think we can have it both ways. I'm sure I'll get a lot of bashing on this but JMO.

REALLY!!! Have you looked around lately. Sometimes I cant believe what I read here.

yeah, I don't what he was thinking.... Why can't we drive to the mall in Orlando?

Sometimes, the comments are bit absurd....

My tongue is hurting being in my cheek this long!

I am one of the biggest Schwartz-Morse fans in The Villages. Harold had a great idea and Gary is brilliant!

Since Gary Morris had no say in anything the Morses did, tis a non-issue. Add that to the fact that I'm pretty sure a tongue was firmly planted in cquick's cheek when the comment was made, it becomes an even bigger non-issue.

However, I'm with Skip on the main issue. Of course, I haven't heard of anyone on the prehistoric historic side wanting to deny golf cart access to others. This seems to be a bigger issue with those living further south.

Some of us caught on ............... Shame to have to explain yourself:pepper2:!

Now we're talking. An express cart path directly into International Drive or even WDW!:pepper2:

You MUST be a New-Be or you wouldn't have said that !

Harold was Brilliant, all about giving, Gary ½ the brilliance, all about taking

No bashing you. It's not necessary. Last year, I said that this issue would come back to bite Villagers, when they could no longer get access across Mr Brown's land to do their shopping. You can't have it both ways. If you want no access into the Villages, then don't expect Special treatment for your needs to shop.

If it gets shut down, then it will definitely hurt some Villages people that work at the businesses along Mr. Brown's land or need access for their grocery or other shopping needs. It will hurt especially if they no longer drive.

Stonecresters only wanted to get to Spanish Springs restaurants, shopping, entertainment, and medical offices. All of which are Public facilities. They never wanted to use free amenities (pools, rec centers, golf courses,etc.) that Villagers pay for. They have all their own amenities. Stealing amenities was the dumbest theory I have ever heard on this topic.

So, No Cake and Ice Cream at the same time. Reciprocate access or end up living only in the Bubble. Reciprocal access has worked well for 12 years until now.

Actually he's been here since 2012 according to his profile. And your characterization of the developers is hardly held universally.

Correction 1 year.

But they did use the MM paths [that they do not fund] to venture beyond the Spanish Springs Square; and they wanted the ability to continue to do that. And don't some of them golf as part of foursomes here in the VIllages?

Very well stated. Apparently the path will be closed, probably sooner rather than later. Some accommodations have already been made, such as the hospital running a shuttle service across 441/27 to those needing to reach the medical center.

TV residents still have the option of using the golf cart bridge to go grocery shopping, drug stores, etc. Some just will have to change their choice of stores. Neighbors driving neighbors who don't drive will also help.

Traffic will increase on an already crowded highway. All the golf carts will be replaced by cars added to even more cars.

No bashing.
IMHO, Villagers can't expect access to shopping via cart by crossing private property, and then cry foul when others expect similar treatment.

How about special pass for the golf cart gate in question. Too get the pass pay certain amount annually. This fee would be for both ways, that way there would be no whining. This gate pass would only work on the gate in question the money would go into the amenity coffin to make everybody HAPPY! happy!

But, I think that May not be the real issue at all???????

As a villager I understand and agree.

As far as I know there is no plan for Mr. Brown to shutdown access. As for me to get access via the new gate I could care less one way or the other. I'm very happy here with what I have access to via Golf Cart. Not having access to the Villages via Golf Cart saved me money on the new batteries for the cart. I suspect as the snow starts to fly up North there will be more traffic everywhere and I wonder how long before the next inebriated driver blows through the gate again. This discussion goes around and comes around like a bad penny.

You probably saved yourself from wear on the suspension too. I usually only go over there to do a few errands at a time because it would be a pain to cross it every day. With the overall design of the villages I've always why the developer put a gate there to begin with. To my knowledge there are no others adjoining different properties.

My Dentist moved over to the Medical Buildings there near the, I think its the urgent care. That is one rough ride past Wal-Mart and then across Mr. Browns Property. Last Time I took the car. That ride pretty much sucks!

Did anyone ever tell you they wanted to go past Spanish Springs? As far as golfing as partners with Villagers, aren't you aware that Villagers regularly play at Stonecrest Golf Club and regularly are allowed to use the lighted Pickleball courts in Stonecrest. They are gladly welcomed to use these facilities. No one in Stonecrest acuses them of stealing amenities.

I just made the point, that Villagers should not complain if their access across Mr. Brown's land to get to Shopping areas is cut off. That's no different than Stonecresters wanting to get to Shopping in Spanish Springs.

There was some discussion on this last year. It sounds like a good potential reciprocal idea. Give a little, get a little. Compromise so that it is a win-win situation.

This will all end at some point in time. Either good for both parties or bad for all. Just depends on if the Controlling Parties (Morse/Brown) can see eye to eye on the topic.

I'm under the impression from what I read in the daily sunny Mr. Brown is building a housing development on his property. He was only asking for access for himself, correct? I would think there would later be a bigger legal issue with others on the property then asking for same access and now you have every other surrounding neighbor later expecting same on lots just like the one in question. I feel that's the only thing the commission is trying to prevent. I'm a villager and if Mr. Brown closed up his path, I have no problem. It's his perfect right to do so. I've always been grateful I've been able to do so in the past.

I'll second that emotion.

Xavier

Nice idea...but a fee for a gate pass will not resolve the issue of overcrowding on MM paths - especially during the winter months.

replying in PM

Please Don't Take Your Eye Off The Ball
 

Too many villagers are bouncing all over this issue and they need to stay focused on the main issue at hand.

Forget Ron Brown his business dealings caused him to landlock himself and now he is crying foul.

The majority of villagers should also forget about access to Walmart etc that is a non issue and gaining golf access and losing the gate is a loser.

Stonecrest is not giving up on securing access to The Villages. Why?
Stonecrest solicited the help of a former senator to gain access. Why?
Stonecrest residents who have rental property in The Villages are passing their gate passes to Stonecrest neighbors. Why?

Listen carefully please. We paid premium dollars for a by-in to the Lifestyle in The Villages. We pay for its schools we pay for its facilities and we pay for all amenities which include our multi-modal pathways.

People who chose surrounding communities did so because hey did not want to make the same financial investment that we did.

Why are people from Stonecrest and Iother nearby communities so intent on DEMANDING access? What right do they have in demanding golf cart access utilizing our pathway system?

If a landlord living outside The Villages but renting property in The Villages can hand his friend a gate pass what other forms of ID can he create for him? what about guess passes?

I have been here 8 years and there have been some very clever manners in which outsiders have breached amenities. How about the outsiders who were sneaking on the executive courses late day.

I am probably one of the few that wished the wall remained in place.

I support the installation of the gate and I desire stronger measures for keeping outsiders off our pathways.

The pathways already look like I-4 what do you think they will be like when build out is complete?

Then main focus for villagers should be this YOU PAID PREMIUM DOLLARS AND CONTINUE TO PAY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS FOR THE PRIVILEDGE OF LIVING HERE. THE MORE PEOPLE USING THESE AMENITIES THE LESS YOUR QUALITY OF LIVING AS THEY ARE INVERSELY RELATED. NON VILLAGERS WANT A FREE RIDE AND THOSE WELL MEANING VILLAGERS WHO DON'T SEEM TO OBJECT FORGET HOW QUICKLY THIS ALL COULD TURN OUT BADLY FOR THEM AND DON'T SEEM TO HAVE THE SAME CONCERN FOR THEIR VILLAGE NEIGHBORS

I have to agree that I have no empathy for those who chose not to live here but want our privileges. And many of those people are the same ones that slam The Villages. Go figure.

There are two way to use the MM Paths. Rent a cart and buy a street legal cart.

Can a street legal cart (limited to 35MPH max) legally drive on 441, or cross 441?

A Street Legal Cart can cross any Highway or Road where the posted speed limit is greater than 35 MPH as long as the road on the opposite side is 35 MPH or less. So the short answer is they may cross 441/27. It was interesting today as I saw a cart with a legal Ohio Plate. In Ohio you can get a Lic. Plate on any cart without all the additional equipment involved. I was wondering when that may happen. Now can that cart be operated on Florida Streets since it is a legal street legal cart in Ohio but does not meet the Florida Regulations. I would really like to hear that conversation with the officer. Also since the crossing at Spruce Creek across 441 has been approved it seems that more non-street legal carts are crossing 441 just about anywhere they care to cross.

Street Legal Carts are not allowed to go faster than 25 MPH. You can get a ticket if you are clocked at 35 MPH.

Thank you. I learn something new everyday.

That's pretty interesting about the Ohio golf cart. Just because it's plates may be legal I don't see how being operated in another state makes it legal. Not also to mention the dealing with an insurance company in the event of an accident. I would think the lack of safety equipment would void the legality of having it on a public road.

Just what sort of additional safety equipment you think is required for a street legal golf cart?

I have not looked at Florida Law but any auto with an out of state plate is legal to drive in Florida. Now with a legal Ohio Plate and registration to drive as a slow speed vehicle in Ohio would the same law that allows Ohio registered vehicles to operate on Florida roads also be applied to legal Ohio Slow Speed Vehicles?