Non US citizens voting in national elections?
 

Does the title of the thread concern or bother anybody but me?

Read this article:

Could non-citizens decide the November election? - The Washington Post

Now what do you think about non US citizens voting in national (or any other) elections?

I do not have all the information I need yet, however on the surface it is not appropriate for NON US CITIZENS to vote. How do they get registered in the first place?

There must be something I obviously do not understand.
Party lines need not be espoused. I just want to understand how it is non US citizens are allowed to vote.

And I am sure I will not be the only one who is concerned about the abuse that is potential in such a system.

There was a report on the news this regarding this very issue in NC. Apparently a significant number of illegals (reported to be approximately 4000) were given the ability to vote when processed for their NC drivers license.

Not only the potential but, as indicated, already goi!ng on.

Where is the screening? Perhaps seperate DL's for non-citizens?

Somehow must be able to prove citizenship?

Can not really converse on this - never really looked into it!

What about the folks who vote in two different states? I'll bet some of them are reading this thread.

What about the "Voting Dead?"

Like the old Chicago cliche...vote early, vote often. :)

Non US citizens voting in national elections?

Non-citizens being allowed to vote adds one more nail to our nation's coffin. Although I am not a historian, I do not know of another country in world history that has spiraled downward as quickly as ours has these last 6 years.

We have been circling the drain for the past six years.

I do not think we have to worry based on this article and report based on the responses of only 828 self-reported non-citizens.

The vote of a non-citizen invalidates the vote of a citizen.

Please do an internet search on illegals voting in us elections or non-citizens voting in us elections and I hope reading the articles gives you greater pause to re-think the issue and why folks should worry.

Florida seems to pop-up in a number of such articles!

Sadly, this has been going a lot longer than just the past six years. It became an issue the day states let individuals register to vote when obtaining a driver's license. Proof of citizenship seemed not to be an issue. When I moved here twelve years ago, the DMV knew I wasn't born in the U.S. But was still willing to register with no proof I was eligible. Look how many convicted felons now vote. Can't blame everything on this administration.

we the people should be demanding our lawmakers go forward with strict voter identification at the polls. This would not only weed out the non citizens but would also catch what ever number of other kinds of cheating.

I have no sympathy for the politically driven excuses of who this type voter ID might affect negatively....mostly the incumbents!!!!!

There are all kinds of ways to make sure everybody who is a legal citizen of the USA gets what ever they need to vote. Let's not have the politicians continue to keep the system loose and undisciplined.

Why is this country so :censored: timid about ENFORCEMENT???

Core values continue to sink to new lows every single year. Our freedoms are being choked down right before our eyes. We have even re-defined what is illegal or not. We continue to ban everyday words, phrases or sayings that have been a part of our culture since the conception of this country.

I am glad I came through America when I did and I am concerned how my grandchildren and those that follow will never savor the freedom and greatness America once was.

Back to the voting......it is quite simple if one is not a US citizen....no vote!!!
If one cannot show identification at the polls that one is who they say they are and a legal citizen.....no vote!!!! How much easier can it be than that?

Here's a report cited by some of the main news outlets online.

"They are working in tandem to decouple the legal standing to vote from American citizenship.

As a result of these efforts, there are several municipalities in the United States that currently allow non-citizens to vote in local elections. Moreover, legislation to allow non-citizens to vote has been introduced in a number of states and localities including Washington, D.C., San Francisco, and New York City."

Allowing Non-Citizens to Vote in the United States? Why Not | Center for Immigration Studies

Nothing at all wrong with allowing non-citizens to vote in local elections. The non-citizens (not illegals) are residents and deserve a say in their local issues. Do not confuse non-citizens with illegals.

It's not about just local elections.

Holy smokes. They aren't citizens, why should they have a say. Can you name any other country that allows this?

Anybody who has gotten a Florida driver's license lately knows it is not an easy endeavor. The new law (effective Jan 1, 2010) requires that you bring in your original birth certificate. If you have had a name change, you must present a marriage license or divorce decree, social security card, two utility bills with your current address listed. This information is listed at gathergoget.com.


New Florida driver's license rules frustrate a confused public | Tampa Bay Times

Passport works best. That takes care of the marriage license part.

I don't see it as a timidity to enforce but rather a laziness. It is easier and cheaper to register voters when they get a license or ID card. If all you have to do is say you're eligible, there is something seriously wrong with that system. Yet, that's exactly what is happening. No proof of citizenship required. Your word is good enough. BARF!!!

Voting should be the right of the citizens of a nation, not those who just happen to live there.

You don't have to be a historian to look at Iraq, Libya, or Syria. Or perhaps Germany during Hitler. Rather than going on and on let's just say that you never had it so good. Be happy, you're in The Villages.

We are turning into a 3rd world country. No trust in our leaders. What happened to us???

More Dead people voting than alive! in some areas. :clap2::1rotfl:


"Can't blame everything on this administration". No but they do nothing to stop in and the one that benefits from it. :duck:

I like the term Honorable Sen. so and so.. What oxymoron! NOTHING honorable about two faced crooks that we vote in for YEARS.:boom:

elections are no more than who can smear the other and get away with it. Probably find better candidates in Prison. At least we know what they done in pass and probably more HONORABLE. :ho:

Bottom line NOBODY illegal, alien, undocumented, non-citizen (what ever else the D##o party can name them) should NOT be voting on anything.:BigApplause::BigApplause: get this in before it gone.

can someone supply some documented proof of all of this illegal voting? How many people have been caught? Where? When? Didn't Florida spend a few million to find all of these illegal voters and come up with about 25 people. I see this as much ado about nothing.

I doubt we can trust anybody to investigate. It is quite obvious this admin is and has attempted to overrun the country with what used to be called aliens.

Elections are run by each state, not the federal government. Election Supervisors are elected in each county of Florida and answer to no one other than the voters who elected them.

We are so concerned about other counties elections - we cant control our own - dip your thumb in a bottle of ink when done voting like some countries - if our elections do not come out the way we would like - we just say it was fixed and not run properly - i guess all the mail flyers i receive keeps the po employees working wonder how many tree cut down for all of the flyers sent out throughout this great county -- well maybe it all about jobs - jobs

So...you are implying each county makes up regs for who can vote? That would be absurd.

And where do we draw the line at how many constitutes only a few? Does the rule of "few" apply elsewhere as in only a few murderers so don't pursue? Only a few cars made with faulty steering? Only a few planes crash so not to worry? Only a few does not work!

Let's make it easy for everybody....if it is wrong then it needs to be fixed/corrected/stopped/repaired.

The answer to starting to save this country from total implosion is to return to the application of right or wrong and eliminate the poor excuse for avoiding it called politically correct

Every Florida county Election Supervisor is responsible for making sure that the voter rolls are correct in their county. This includes removing the deceased and adding newly registered voters.

When Gov Rick Scott ordered these supervisors to purge their voting rolls in 2012, these supervisors banded together and said no.

It is criminal
 

I am here because I want to be here, but I love “the rest” of my country as well.

Those of us who were born in America won the most important lottery of all by the miracle of our birth location.

America became the greatest country that ever existed or that ever will as a result of a capitalistic free-market system. That system determined the winners and losers, not government bureaucrats in Washington. We the people, in the last few decades, have been giving that freedom away by sending people to Washington who have more interest in their own re-elections than in representing those who placed them there (at present I’m ignoring their thirst for power and control). They are being sent there by those who vote for the promise of “more for nothing” and those who refuse to see that long-term socialism cannot succeed (simultaneous “takers and makers” are guaranteed suicide).

BTW, this is not politics, but proven history.

To get a driver's license here, which is needed to vote, there is a long list of required ID. The motor vehicles person checked mine extremely carefully. I can't speak for every official in Florida, but I do not believe an illegal alien would get by her.

Register to Vote - Florida Division of Elections - Department of State


A Florida driver license is not required to register to vote. You can use your license for ID, or your FL ID card, or the last four digits of you social security number.

Click the link above for requirements to vote in Florida provided by the state.

It absolutely bothers me ... and also makes me wonder WTF is going on with this Country.

If a non-citizen votes (and/or an illegal), as far as I know, that is against the law in all but perhaps the most wacko communities (San Francisco, Seattle or whatever).

Thus, if they break the law by voting, then indict, prosecute and deport.

Does anyone on this board seriously argue that non-citizens or illegals should be allowed to vote??

Trust is a virtue that is earned or lost.

Except for when a federal court steps in to halt the Florida State voter registration purge or to order the completion of the purge in Virginia??

Waynet - Do an internet search on purge voter rolls and you can have all of the information you seek. The purge you reference is duscussed here:

Florida halts purge of noncitizens from voter rolls | Tampa Bay Times

Florida halts purge of noncitizens from voter rolls | Tampa Bay Times

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with some variations on years in the country and other variables.

Those are the countries listed in the link provided in this thread. So you had that information available when you asked the question... Thanks for the opportunity to share it with others reading this thread.

Can you please provide a link for your assertion that San Francisco, Seattle or other "wacko communities" are allowing non-citizens to vote? Or do you just provide invective without data.

Bluesh - your assertion is not quite accurate.
0: No rights (Australia by grandfathered franchise after 1984, Austria, Belgium, Costa Rica, Denmark before 1977, Finland before 1981, France, Germany except for 1989-90, Greece, Ireland before 1962, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands before 1979, Norway before 1978, Spain before 1985, Sweden before 1976, the United Kingdom before 1949, and the United States before 1968).
1: Rights granted only by subnational governments (Canada from 1975 to the present; West Germany in 1989, the Netherlands from 1979 to 1981, Switzerland from 1960 to the present, and the United States from 1968 to the present).
2: Local rights, discriminatory (Denmark from 1977 to 1980; Finland from 1981 to 1990; Israel from 1960 to the present; and Norway from 1978 to 1981).
3: National rights, discriminatory (Australia from 1960 to 1984, Canada from 1960 to 1974, Ireland from 1985 to the present, New Zealand from 1960 to 1974, Portugal, the United Kingdom).
4: Local rights, nondiscriminatory (Denmark after 1980, Finland after 1990, Hungary, Ireland 1963 to 1984, the Netherlands after 1981, Norway after 1981, Spain after 1985, Sweden after 1976).
5: National rights, nondiscriminatory (New Zealand after 1975; Uruguay for 15 years-resident, since 1952)