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Odysseus 10-29-2014 05:04 PM

Aerobics in Neighborhood Pools
 
So glad to read in the Daily Sun today that the Recreation Department is clamping down on those over-zealous and pushy (in the sense of literally pushing non-aerobic group pool users out of the way) non-sanctioned exercise groups who take over some neighborhood pools.

getdul981 10-29-2014 05:30 PM

Wonder how the clamping will be done. Certainly not by calling Community Watch personnel. They have no authority to enforce any rules.

VT2TV 10-29-2014 09:42 PM

Very happy to see it, wonder how long it will last????? Might be good to cut it out and carry it with you. :)

CFrance 10-29-2014 10:09 PM

Maybe it was the fact that they weren't signing liability waivers that finally got the rec centers' attention. Could be a problem if someone got injured or drowned.

Bonanza 10-29-2014 10:29 PM

I am not a pool person but I have heard about this kind of thing happening at a number of different swimming pools. While I find it outrageous that this is happening because it prevents the normal pool goer from enjoying their own community pool, why haven't any of the residents who have been inconvenienced by these groups formed their own group and jumped in to swim anyway? Consequently, by doing so, they would break up these water aerobics groups?

I've also been told that there are a few specific pools where these aerobic swim groups can do this, without interferring with regular swimmers at local pools.

As I said, I don't go to a pool but why have these aerobic fanatics been permitted to take over these pools so no that one else can enjoy them? I'm sure there must be more to this pool problem of which I am not aware.

TVMayor 10-29-2014 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by getdul981 (Post 960380)
Wonder how the clampinbg will be done. Certainly not by calling Community Watch personnel. They have no authority to enforce any rules.

It will be enforced by the same people that enforce the no reserved seats in the square rule.

Sandtrap328 10-29-2014 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVMayor (Post 960494)
It will be enforced by the same people that enforce the no reserved seats in the square rule.

Get to the good shows early!

I do!

Barefoot 10-29-2014 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by getdul981 (Post 960380)
Wonder how the clamping will be done.

The "clamping down" will probably be done by publishing an article in the Daily Sun stating that they are clamping down.
The article is supposed to scare people into behaving and following the rules. :popcorn:

getdul981 10-30-2014 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 960507)
The "clamping down" will probably be done by publishing an article in the Daily Sun stating that they are clamping down.
The article is supposed to scare people into behaving and following the rules. :popcorn:

OH BOY!! I'm sure that will do the job.

villages07 10-30-2014 04:28 PM

There was a sign posted at the gate to the Sabal Chase pool saying no organized water activities were allowed. Sabal Chase has had informal water aerobics at about 9:30 am for the past 8 years. I did not see a similar sign at the Largo pool. So, it is more than just the Daily Sun article.

applesoffh 10-30-2014 06:59 PM

I'm glad something was finally written about this. I was also happy to see that there appears to be a more detailed explanation in the weekly activity guide about what is allowed in adult pools. While it may appear that nothing has been done, finally it's written down in both the paper and weekly activities section, and that means that if there's problem that is reported, it actually may be taken care of. Hope springs eternal!

shalomuall 10-30-2014 09:21 PM

I noticed a sign posted at Fernandina Pool

CFrance 10-30-2014 09:27 PM

This is going to seem off-topic, but it really isn't. Our Three Rivers Club received notice that tickets to the club meetings may no longer be sold on any TV property. (They used to be sold at the rec centers as well as at club meetings.)

I'm wondering if the TV lawyers have looked over all this "stuff" and weighed in with their opinions.

tolife 11-01-2014 06:50 AM

Maybe, this would be a help. My husband said he hear, from the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Why not for other act ivies. So everyone can be happy, happy, happy.

CFrance 11-01-2014 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tolife (Post 961674)
Maybe, this would be a help. My husband said he hear, from the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Why not for other act ivies. So everyone can be happy, happy, happy.

That's good. That would be for sports pools only, leaving the other pools to be used as they were designed.

Villageswimmer 11-01-2014 12:29 PM

[quote=tolife;961674]Maybe, this would be a help. My husband said he hear, from the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Why not for other act ivies. So everyone can be happy, happy, happy.[/quote
Are you referring to sports pools (e.g., Eisenhower) or neighborhood pools, which are the subject of this thread? Isn't this already done at sports pools? As a lap swimmer, I constantly need to work around volleyball, aerobics, college classes, etc. I'm not complaining since I understand that we all need to share the sports pools.

I hope it's not the neighborhood pools this gent was referring to.That would seriously impact the flexibility of them and certainly not mitigate the issues caused by the unauthorized aerobic class.

CFrance 11-01-2014 01:32 PM

[quote=naneiben;961831]
Quote:

Originally Posted by tolife (Post 961674)
Maybe, this would be a help. My husband said he hear, from the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Why not for other act ivies. So everyone can be happy, happy, happy.[/quote
Are you referring to sports pools (e.g., Eisenhower) or neighborhood pools, which are the subject of this thread? Isn't this already done at sports pools? As a lap swimmer, I constantly need to work around volleyball, aerobics, college classes, etc. I'm not complaining since I understand that we all need to share the sports pools.

I hope it's not the neighborhood pools this gent was referring to.That would seriously impact the flexibility of them and certainly not mitigate the issues caused by the unauthorized aerobic class.

Oh, I hope you are right, that this is not for neighborhood pools. That would mean the pushy people win out again.

iaudit 11-01-2014 02:19 PM

Just received this in an email from Neighborhood group:

"I wanted to update you on a few items. The first "biggie" is, it is
OFFICIAL....we are allowed to exercise in our neighborhood pools. ................got the confirmation yesterday. The signs are coming down and we can exercise without conflict. So, I am still at Xxxxxxx on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 10AM, weather permitting of 60 degrees or higher in the air. "

graciegirl 11-01-2014 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iaudit (Post 961890)
Just received this in an email from Neighborhood group:

"I wanted to update you on a few items. The first "biggie" is, it is
OFFICIAL....we are allowed to exercise in our neighborhood pools. ................got the confirmation yesterday. The signs are coming down and we can exercise without conflict. So, I am still at Xxxxxxx on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 10AM, weather permitting of 60 degrees or higher in the air. "


Do you think that this person is collecting money for this? Do you think this person is correct? Can you tell us more? Is this a friend of yours?

applesoffh 11-01-2014 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by villages07 (Post 960922)
There was a sign posted at the gate to the Sabal Chase pool saying no organized water activities were allowed. Sabal Chase has had informal water aerobics at about 9:30 am for the past 8 years. I did not see a similar sign at the Largo pool. So, it is more than just the Daily Sun article.

Great! Maybe there will be one posted at the Charlotte pool, also!

applesoffh 11-01-2014 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iaudit (Post 961890)
Just received this in an email from Neighborhood group:

"I wanted to update you on a few items. The first "biggie" is, it is
OFFICIAL....we are allowed to exercise in our neighborhood pools. ................got the confirmation yesterday. The signs are coming down and we can exercise without conflict. So, I am still at Xxxxxxx on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 10AM, weather permitting of 60 degrees or higher in the air. "

Curious as to where this Neighborhood group got their information? Certainly not from TV Recreation News, which now states that the neighborhood adult pools are not for classes of any kind (or wording to that effect - don't have it right in front of me to quote).

CFrance 11-01-2014 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 961930)
Do you think that this person is collecting money for this? Do you think this person is correct? Can you tell us more? Is this a friend of yours?

She also doesn't say if the exercise classes are allowed to take up the whole pool and keep others from noodling around, using the pool for what it is intended. Will the classes be trying to keep people out of the pool?

Will they participants be required to sign a release form like in all other exercise classes at the rec centers? Lots of unanswered questions. I know Bogie is about to tell me to ask Rohan. I will.

Villageswimmer 11-01-2014 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iaudit (Post 961890)
Just received this in an email from Neighborhood group:

"I wanted to update you on a few items. The first "biggie" is, it is
OFFICIAL....we are allowed to exercise in our neighborhood pools. ................got the confirmation yesterday. The signs are coming down and we can exercise without conflict. So, I am still at Xxxxxxx on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 10AM, weather permitting of 60 degrees or higher in the air. "


If this is true, the complaining about aerobics class may have backfired big time.

There are MANY volleyball enthusiasts. If they begin booking blocks of time, well, fuhget about leisurely relaxing at your pool.

I have no dog in this fight since I use sports pools 95% of the time.

graciegirl 11-01-2014 04:01 PM

Camera should go to the Charlotte Pool on Monday at ten.

CFrance 11-01-2014 04:26 PM

to Mr. Rohan, John.Rohan@districtgov.org

"Dear Mr. Rohan,

There are a number of conflicting pieces of information being circulated about the use of neighborhood pools by people holding aerobics classes.

"I have written to you twice about neighborhood pools being taken over by water aerobics classes before and received two confusing answers that didn't really answer the question. I would like to know if these aerobics classes are allowed to take up neighborhood pools, leaving no room for people to use the pools as their stated purpose.

"Some neighborhood pools have had signs posted on them to the effect that no exercise classes are allowed. Conflicting information comes from one exercise leader via email, stating that these signs will be taken down and the classes allowed. Another piece of conflicting information from Eisenhower rec center: 'the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool (says) that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Manager states that pools will be allowed to have classes reserved.' It is not clear whether he means the sports pool or the neighborhood pools.

"Can you provide some clarification to all this. Because at the same time, it has been posted in the Rec News that the neighborhood pools are not to be used for exercise classes. And if there are to be exercise classes in these pools, will the participants be required to sign the same release form as other rec center exercisers sign every year? What are the legal ramifications to TV if someone is injured?

"Thank you for any definitive answer."

I hope I get a better answer than I got to my last to emails to him.

applesoffh 11-01-2014 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 961958)
to Mr. Rohan, John.Rohan@districtgov.org

"Dear Mr. Rohan,

There are a number of conflicting pieces of information being circulated about the use of neighborhood pools by people holding aerobics classes.

"I have written to you twice about neighborhood pools being taken over by water aerobics classes before and received two confusing answers that didn't really answer the question. I would like to know if these aerobics classes are allowed to take up neighborhood pools, leaving no room for people to use the pools as their stated purpose.

"Some neighborhood pools have had signs posted on them to the effect that no exercise classes are allowed. Conflicting information comes from one exercise leader via email, stating that these signs will be taken down and the classes allowed. Another piece of conflicting information from Eisenhower rec center: 'the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool (says) that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Manager states that pools will be allowed to have classes reserved.' It is not clear whether he means the sports pool or the neighborhood pools.

"Can you provide some clarification to all this. Because at the same time, it has been posted in the Rec News that the neighborhood pools are not to be used for exercise classes. And if there are to be exercise classes in these pools, will the participants be required to sign the same release form as other rec center exercisers sign every year? What are the legal ramifications to TV if someone is injured?

"Thank you for any definitive answer."

I hope I get a better answer than I got to my last to emails to him.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my email. Perhaps things were backed up last week dur to Mr. Morse's passing.

tghoul 11-01-2014 08:45 PM

I was at the meeting 2 months ago when the subject of reserving a court for water volleyball was first mentioned. It would only be at Eisenhower Sports Pool and would probably be a total of 2 hours on two days. Example: Wedesday 2:00 PM - 3:50 PM & Sunday 3:00 PM - 4:50 PM. A group would request a permit to reserve a water volleyball court for a 3 month period. They would have to request another permit if they wanted to reserve the court after the 3 months is up. Currently Eisenhower has several days with water volleyball listed as "Open". Open play would by replaced by "Reserved".

graciegirl 11-01-2014 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tghoul (Post 962057)
I was at the meeting 2 months ago when the subject of reserving a court for water volleyball was first mentioned. It would only be at Eisenhower Sports Pool and would probably be a total of 2 hours on two days. Example: Wedesday 2:00 PM - 3:50 PM & Sunday 3:00 PM - 4:50 PM. A group would request a permit to reserve a water volleyball court for a 3 month period. They would have to request another permit if they wanted to reserve the court after the 3 months is up. Currently Eisenhower has several days with water volleyball listed as "Open". Open play would by replaced by "Reserved".

Is Eisenhower a regional rec center?

dbussone 11-01-2014 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 962066)
Is Eisenhower a regional rec center?

Yes

graciegirl 11-01-2014 09:17 PM

So Eisenhower has a sports pool. The neighborhood pools are not sports pools and can't be reserved for anything. Right? So this gal is blowing smoke the way I see it.

She really has gall.

tghoul 11-02-2014 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 962070)
So Eisenhower has a sports pool. The neighborhood pools are not sports pools and can't be reserved for anything. Right? So this gal is blowing smoke the way I see it.

She really has gall.

The only discussion I am aware of is for Eisenhower Sports Pool to replace their Open water volleyball with a Reserved court system. The Open water volleyball was causing a headache for the staff. People were arguing over who gets what court, who can play on their team, etc. If there were Advance players playing during the Open time slot a beginner could not be barred from playing with them. It disrupted the game and was potennially dangeous for the beginner. With the reservation system you can play with fellow players of the same skill level and there will be no arguing over who gets what court. About 2 months ago there were 100 players who showed up for Open play and the pool capacity is 85.

CFrance 11-02-2014 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tghoul (Post 962147)
The only discussion I am aware of is for Eisenhower Sports Pool to replace their Open water volleyball with a Reserved court system. The Open water volleyball was causing a headache for the staff. People were arguing over who gets what court, who can play on their team, etc. If there were Advance players playing during the Open time slot a beginner could not be barred from playing with them. It disrupted the game and was potennially dangeous for the beginner. With the reservation system you can play with fellow players of the same skill level and there will be no arguing over who gets what court. About 2 months ago there were 100 players who showed up for Open play and the pool capacity is 85.

I think Gracie was referring to another poster who was talking about neighborhood pools.

But thanks for the clarification about the volleyball/sports pool.

EnglishJW 11-02-2014 09:50 AM

This is from the October 30th (most recent) edition of the Recreation News in the section on Neighborhood Pools:

"The Recreation Department strives to make the pools safe for everyone's use and enjoyment. The neighborhood adult pools are intended for refreshing socialization and non-organized/scheduled activities. Regularly scheduled water exercise groups are encouraged to used the sports pools for this purpose. Please contact your nearest recreation center and we'll get you started."

tolife 11-02-2014 10:33 AM

If the sport pool at Eisenhower can be reserved for sport activities by individual (friends,clubs etc) groups, then it would be only fair to have neighbor groups allowed to also use Eisenhower for their special needs. However, why hasn't all residents been informed of meeting, when the use of pools changes from what it states on page 3 of the recreation news.

quirky3 11-02-2014 10:40 AM

"Regularly scheduled water exercise groups are encouraged to used the sports pools for this purpose."

If people were looking for a loophole, the operative word would be "encouraged", not "required".

Halibut 11-02-2014 11:02 AM

Nice email to Mr. Rohan, Cyndy. Let's hope some clarification is forthcoming.

Even after hundreds of posts, I'm still not totally sure if the "rules" allow me to swim laps in my neighborhood pool, or if my wife can take her water weights there and exercise. What if she and I were there together from 10-11 on M/W/F? Does two people constitute a group?

The cliques who go to the neighborhood pool every day and bob around in their noodles chatting for hours are, I guess, using the facility "correctly". But their territoriality and rudeness bother me a lot more than an hour's worth of group water aerobics would.

graciegirl 11-02-2014 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quirky3 (Post 962204)
"Regularly scheduled water exercise groups are encouraged to used the sports pools for this purpose."

If people were looking for a loophole, the operative word would be "encouraged", not "required".


I can think of few who would face some nasty woman who is running something in a pool and require her to stop. THAT is what makes me so mad. When you aren't supposed to be doing something and the guidelines are laid down, why would it require a militia to stop you? Don't you care about the needs of others? I guess there is nothing to be done. She won't be shamed. I have met her a thousand times in my life in different places and different times and for different reasons and with different names.

In my opinion she is the nurse in Maine.

This is what I want to do and I will do it. What difference does it make?

CFrance 11-02-2014 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 962224)
I can think of few who would face some nasty woman who is running something in a pool and require her to stop. THAT is what makes me so mad. When you aren't supposed to be doing something and the guidelines are laid down, why would it require a militia to stop you? Don't you care about the needs of others? I guess there is nothing to be done. She won't be shamed. I have met her a thousand times in my life in different places and different times and for different reasons and with different names.

In my opinion she is the nurse in Maine.

This is what I want to do and I will do it. What difference does it make?

I agree with you 100%. Spot on. The Rec Dept. ought step up and you-know-what or get off the you-know-what. Don't let these bullies dictate.

Even the nurse from Maine followed the laws in NJ, and finally went through the correct channels for her release in Maine.

graciegirl 11-02-2014 11:27 AM

The trouble is, CFrance, that "THE VILLAGES" doesn't do bop and drag you.

They do gentle reminders. They are from the Midwest.

No one from the Midwest is ever going to win in this kind of deal.

I understand. I am from the Midwest.

And how can I expect John Rohan to do something I couldn't do in a million years?

Unless it was my kid. They called me "the warden".

CFrance 11-02-2014 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 962231)
The trouble is, CFrance, that "THE VILLAGES" doesn't do bop and drag you.

They do gentle reminders. They are from the Midwest.

No one from the Midwest is ever going to win in this kind of deal.

I understand. I am from the Midwest.

And how can I expect John Rohan to do something I couldn't do in a million years?

Unless it was my kid. They called me "the warden".

I'm sorry, I just can't buy that. They made specific rules that we all signed on to when we bought. It is their responsibility to keep a bunch of bullies from breaking those rules to the detriment of the rest of the homeowners who only want to enjoy things the way they were laid out in the rules.

Somebody needs to play warden here.


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