The unfair Hands up-don't shoot agenda against law enforcement.
 

It seems to me there is a totally unfair and misguided attempt by some special interest groups and media to create a general condition of mistrust with law enforcement in America.

It seems we are continuing to move in the direction of what group can speak the loudest, or get the most media attention with two very concerning aspects.

Complete disregard for whether the allegations are true or not....it just does not seem to matter anymore.

Secondly how can, like it or not, an isolated incident be blown into an across the board condition nation wide?

I personally object to the notion the law enforcement community in general is not to be trusted to do what is right. I also firmly reject that rioting and camera hogging become the new face of the wants and needs of Americans.

My position has nothing to do with who was right or wrong......I like millions upon millions DO NOT HAVE enough credible information (non media or special interest or alarmists like Sharpton/Jackson) to take a stand.

My position is all about the way some few are trying to change, with some success, what we beleive about law enforcement in America!!!!!

It appears that what is being created is a society where Police become negotiators, and if they stop someone for any suspicious acts, whether legit or not, they must be aware that if the person is black, then do nothing...negotiate under any and all circumstances. If they resist, allow them to go along their way.

I believe that the police are government employees and are held to a hired standard than other employees. When government employees make a mistake, or a perceived mistake by some, it creates a windstorm of controversy and second guessing. For example, in The Stockton Ca bank robbery, 600 bullets were fired by police on public streets of which 10 struck an innocent hostage. Police or government employees are not infallible and subject increased scrutiny whether fair or not.

So, you mean just live with the rioting, destruction and increased racial tension ??

My point was, for example, the sad case in NY where a choke hold was put on a suspect and he died. The ENTIRE SITUATION should not have happened. Had the suspect, and it matters not what he is a suspect about, simply refused to answer the police or listen to what they wanted him to do. THAT was what happened BEFORE THE ACTUAL INCIDENT.

Same thing in Ferguson. Suspect listens to the police and NOT UNFAIR DEMANDS, and he is alive, the city is not half burned to the ground, etc etc etc.

Keep in mind...if police stop you and you did nothing, you MIGHT be inconvenienced and you might have your feelings hurt, but that is it and any cop who oversteps what he or she does when stopping you is in trouble and you are on your way.

Millions of police contacts yearly without issues. Just recently in PA two white officers saved a black youth who had shot himself in the face. The did CPR and he is alive today. I didn't see Big O or his buddy Al S say anything.

I saw a photo online yesterday of one of the women protestors in Ferguson holding up a sign saying; (you may not believe this but it's true)

"NO MOTHER SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY THAT EVERY TIME HER SON HOLDS UP A STORE HE WILL BE SHOT"

That pretty much explains the mentality of these people that are protesting. They have been completely brainwashed by some of the special interest groups that when a black kid is shot, it's never justified.

If that kid was taught what my kids were taught and what I was taught and what my parents were taught;. "NEVER question the authority of police", he would be alive today. My kids would be dead too, if they shut the car door twice on an officer of the law and punched him several times. Everybody knows that, but apparently not all children are taught that anymore. Along with, don't steal, don't intimidate older smaller people from whom you have stolen and don't come runnin' to me whining about all that character assassination when you act like a fool and get killed.

I saw that too and it turns out to be false. It's a Photoshop change of this photo. click here

If you go to snopes.com there is more on the subject.

Whether the sign is real or not, the mentality of NON law-abiding trash (both white and black) is that their little Johnny of little Sally can do no wrong. In both mine and my wife's careers we have arrested sons and daughters of people we arrested 15+ years ago; so a lot of time it's a generational thing.

It's the mentality of EVERY parent that their kids can do no wrong (until they do). And the fact that the sign was photo-shopped to promote racism says a lot about who is promoting hatred.

You're right. I should have researched it a bit further before posting anything. My bad.

Could you elaborate on this comment please ? I am not sure what you mean by " says a lot about who is promoting hatred."

Who are you speaking of please !! That is sort of a rash comment to be left with no explanation. I did not see a source for the photo but you must have seen something I did not..so this calls out for some explanation and clarification.

I, for one, am sick of being called names and think if you are going to do it, please be clear about whom and why you are attacking. I know it was not meant for me, but all these generalities need to be clarified.

I agree with you. I was trying to point out to a poster who felt mentioning his name with the President was some kind of "code"....which in street creds means a way to say make a racial remark ! It was not and I am, frankly, sick of every time there is a disagreement or a non starter with someone who is of a different race ends up racist.

You know I, as a white man, disagree with a man who is black, and guess what....NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK but problem is folks like that poster want to make it racial and then blame you .

Amazing and very very non productive.

THIS thread by BTK spoke to the misconceptions, etc about our police and this is how it happens. Thus far, one poster used the key word "code" in essence suggesting the comment about Sharpton being a friend and confidante of the President was meant to be racial. It was not racial....it is TRUE.

Another poster makes a general absolute no specific remark to another about it show who "to promote racism says a lot about who is promoting hatred." without mentioning who that is and to make posters feel guilty about how they feel. This is all over, not just on TOTV and it serves no useful purpose. Attacking another person in such generalities is at the root of all of these problems. Cops are NOT out to shoot young blacks. They are there to enforce the law....and everyone should respect that and listen to them. They CANNOT arrest you, or do anything to you if you have not done anything wrong. The ONLY time we interact with them is when there is trouble. If we listen to them, and in my opinion, they are in charge when they come to the scene of trouble, we are not in fear. Spreading in GENERALITIES the misconception, actually ANY misconception is just plain wrong.

Few want justice. Many want vengeance. They are NOT the same thing.

Amazing replies.

Instead of a drive by comment, telling someone what THEY think, perhaps you might explain exactly what you mean.

He acknowledged the photo was erroneous and made his comment on his feelings.

In NO way can I hear, evidence doe not matter if real or made up.

Now the premise of this thread is about how a perception in the Ferguson case was and is based on a lie and everyone knows it but does not care.

I think your judgement of this poster is shallow, uncalled for and antogonistic and requires some explanation to the poster whose mind you claimed to have read.

Can you expand on that please ?

How about a purpose of this thread reminder:

Wow, you jumped on that immediatly, didn't you? I deleted that post within one minute of posting it. Glad you are watching for my posts. Keep up your vigil.

Rags is not jumping. He asked a fair question.

Please return to the OP's original topic or the thread will be closed.

No it isn't the mentality of every parent that a kid can do no wrong until they do. Most people love their children with their whole hearts and would die for them, but thinking, caring people know that their job as parents is to be suspicious and push them toward the right thing. Many, not all, kids without parents who REALLY care grow up lazy and whining and immoral. Most of the parents that I knew when my kids were growing up were just as suspicious and judgmental as I was. In our case, I was with them most of the time since their father was flying around the country most of the time trying to make enough money so I could stay home with them until they were school age. It is little children that learn morals. Forget about teens, it is too late. AND they will DO what you DO not what you say.

Where do you think the old saying comes from, My mother has eyes in the back of her head? It is a sad shame that most parents these days aren't with their kids enough to really KNOW them like we knew our children, back in the day when one parent stayed with them until they went to school if they could.

[QUOTE=graciegirl;975827]If that kid was taught what my kids were taught and what I was taught and what my parents were taught;. "NEVER question the authority of police", he would be alive today. My kids would be dead too, if they shut the car door twice on an officer of the law and punched him several times. Everybody knows that, but apparently not all children are taught that anymore. Along with, don't steal, don't intimidate older smaller people from whom you have stolen and don't come runnin' to me whining about all that character assassination when you act like a fool and get killed.

Bumping back to topic so the moderator doesn't close the thread.

Whether we care to admit it or not, there are two sets of standards used by LEOs. Talk to most black men and you'll find they are much more routinely stopped than their white counterparts regardless of neighborhood, dress or age. Ask your teenage grandkids how often they are stopped by LEOs while walking down the street. Ask a black teenage boy the same question. You might be saddened by the answer.

Yes, the behavior in Ferguson is unexcusable but it is understandable. Do any of you really believe that Off. Wilson would have treated three white boys walking in the street the same way as he did Brown? (Remember, he did not know about the shoplifting incident.)

When I take over black neighborhoods will be protected my black police and white neighborhoods will be protected by white police. Al S will deal with black police problems and a white person would take care of white police problems.

This will prevent towns from being burned down and business from being looted.

Please reread the report from the Grand Jury. Darren Wilson was called to that incident of stealing some small items and Michael Brown was described, including his shoes or socks were yellow.

I know you are talking about racial profiling. THAT is a very big problem and we all know why although we are not supposed to bring it up.

I know that since Ferguson that the smiles I give everybody in public places where we usually stop to pee and eat were not returned by a lot of blacks in the last week on our journey to Ohio. THAT makes me think that race relations are going the WRONG direction.

When I take over every law enforcement person in this country will wear a body camera. I doubt even that would change things.

I was reading the thread.

Why did you post it in the first place if you took it down in one minute.

To the point of the thread....I do not, for one minute, think there is no racial profiling. I do NOT believe that policeman are out trying to hassle black youths. I do beleive ther are bad cops, but what is being done to police nationwide is just wrong BASED ON LIES, all proven lies mind you.

I hear all about the arrest records of black youths. Does anyone know how many are convicted ? Perhaps the profiling of black youths in certain areas is justified.

Sometimes when a conversation is needed on a national level as everyone thinks we need, we should cover ALL sides including those uncomfortable truths whether pro or con to how you feel.

The "thin blue line" did its job.
These thugs are engaging in anarchy.

The Charles Barkley Rant on Ferguson Grand Jury Decision That You Won’t Believe You’re Just Now Hearing

click here I think you will find a lot of common ground with Charles Barkley. I admire the man for saying what he thinks, while knowing he will upset some kids with blinders on.

The presentation of this situation is driving us all apart.

And why can we not discuss racial profiling. If an important discussion is to take place, everything should be on the table. This is a one sided conversation, and that is what makes it a divider. Do we ever hear the truth. We hear about cops killing black youth..that is it. Is that ll that is happening...I think not, but some will not engage in REAL conversation because it is not comfortable and good conversation ending up with solutions is normally not all that comfy.

All hell is about to break out in New York City, on the very night that the Christmas tree lighting will take place at Rockefeller Center.

Saw his remarks referred to as incendiary by a black lawyer. But on a national level embarassing and demeaning the police is just fine. She made his point....

I have been talking about people do NOT want a REAL conversation on this..it will make many feel uncomfortable, and his point is well taken. If you are black and speak up and say something deragatory about your race, you will be called an "Uncle Tom" and chastised at every turn.

Let's have a conversation about our police...weigh both good and bad. Let's also discuss crime rates with blacks and see if there is actually no justification to profile as is being said, which to me is just stupid because it is an unproven statement...you can call the arrest rate high, but I ask again....how many of those arrested are guilty.

There is an industry based on racism and they are not about to allow it to be destroyed

Does that make you proud ? How does that make you feel ? All of this based on lies.

Did you listen to what Barkley said for yourself? click here When you click here it will take you to the podcast and you can hear it.
I think it is a good starting point for a conversation in a high school classroom.

I agree,...it took days to have him even interviewed. The only way you knew what he said was online where he was ripped. I thought it was great that today he got some prime time, but it will be short lived.

Could someone give me a link to the Grand Jury Report? I'd like to read it.

Are you sticking to the statement, "he did not know...."

All the information I read, he did know about the robbery and had a description of Mike. The police radio transmission are on the record.

Am I missing something??

Thanks

I was in Ferguson over the weekend.

There are a lot of good people there. The media is showing the 1%.

I do believe the Hands-up, Don't shoot is agenda is hurting any chance for improvements in Ferguson or any where in the US.

Seems like another broken child from another broken family.

As To BTKs original post, yes this Has gotten way to much national attention, too many people without a grasp of the facts commenting ON BOTH SIDES. I have seen reports that make rioters seem justified, and I have seen distorted facts about protesters that make them ALL appear to be looters and vandals. It is true that our justice system seems to be weighted against African-Americans, and in many parts of the country blacks are unfairly targeted. This causes animosity in the black community, and to some degree precipitates some of the legitimate protest (again, not the looting, rioting, and vandalism) in Ferguson and other locales. My understanding is, correct me if this is wrong, that the city is more than 50% black, but the police department is all, or very nearly all, white. I would submit that that is an unhealthy situation. I have read widely conflicting reports of how the incident went down in the first place, and would not pretend to know the facts. I do know that mistakes and over reactions were made by all parties in the aftermath. It is easy for whites to dismiss this as a bunch of black thugs out of control, and I presume it is easy for some blacks to feel justified, but neither view is going to help us understand the deep-seated problems and keep them from recurring in the future. Everyone needs to examine their actions. Like most things it ain't all that black and white.