Complaint About The Villages
 

Being a single person, I have only one complaint about TV.

You only get one resident I.D. and married couples get two. I know the rules that it goes by the names on the deed, etc. I still think this is unfair.

If a single person meets someone outside of TV and who wants to take their date to a resident function where they need to produce a resident I.D. and or gets into a relationship, the other person does not have access as the resident does, because the single person has one resident I.D.

I know people will respond that "it is what it is", but the singles get screwed. IMHO

It indicates one needs to live with a person, if they want to enjoy their company in TV environment. It seems to be a little far fetch option, as opposed to, getting two resident I.D's. Would it kill everything about TV, if single people got an second or resident/guest I.D? How many extra I.D's. would need to be distributed?

I know it's the developer ballpark and he/she can take his/her bat and ball home, if someone states a different point of view. It seems like a form of discrimination, against the single populace.

This has been discussed before but would like to see if there are any options, to changing this scenario.

Just waiting for the married people to say BOO-HOO!!! :D

Exactly right, Joe.

And while we are at it...why in heaven do we have a higher tax bracket????

I agree! Maybe Bogie Shooter can tell us who to contact to get things changed.

I understand your position. The rules are basically stating you either date another villager or someone outside the given radius. That's the way I read it.

you're 100% correct, single households should get a 'permanent' guest id.

You can get a visitor pass?

I think only for 30 days and only if they live outside the tri-county area.
It is a discrimination and needs to be addressed. Maybe get the singles group to go in mass to a few meetings and get the attention of the people that can correct this.

I agree completely. I am about to be a single in TV starting next week and to me this does seem unfair

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That's not the only unfair rule in The Villages. If you buy a trail pass for your golf cart (for golfing), it costs a single person as much as a couple....
$140.+ per year. I know.........'it's all about the DEED', but that still doesn't make it fair for the singles. IMHO it should be changed to be more fair. (It doesn't affect me because I am married)

I'm single. If I had a permanent guest pass made out of "Guest of TVMayor" picture id not required, can I look her in the eye and tell her I need to retain possession of the id because my other bunk mates need to use it. Then with a slam of the door her and the id disappear for ever. Then I would have to explain to bunk mate two how I lost the id and how I have to cancel the lost one and get a new one. She then tells me she will retain possession of the id because this is the 27th one I have lost.

The events described above are hypothetical.

What will be the rule for a manage-a-trois?
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Would Joe be able to get a visitor pass if he started dating someone from outside TV but within a 50-mile radius? (Not being sarcastic... I thought I read that somewhere.) And if it became a serious relationship, what would happen then? You can't get a permanent visitor's pass, and there are many reasons, financial and otherwise, that a person might not want to marry. Even with a visitor's pass, you can't use the sports pools, so not everything would be available. Also, in many of the exercise classes, they take the visitors last. The rooms have a certain capacity due to fire regs, and residents are given first piority.

I see Joe's and every other single's point. Maybe if enough people asked, TV would be willing to come up with a reasonable alternative.

Have we found the reason Joe can't get a date , ID cards?


( just kidding )

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It just seems to me that Resident IDs are for, well, residents. They are those whose names are on the deed.

Maybe the solution would be a "Resident" ID, with a specific time limit, and no photo ID, but a link to the person requesting the additional ID. The time limit could be 6 months, maybe a year. The additional pass would state something like ONLY VALID WHEN ACCOMPANIED BY Mr/Ms J. Q. Public". In his manner, singles would be able to take their current date to TV functions when together, but the 'date' would not be able to use the card alone
This is my humble idea, please do not shoot the messenger.

Now we all know that the Developer doesn't make any mistakes, at least according to some on this forum. Everything is well thought out, and The Villages is just perfect as it is. So the standard line is "if you dont like it you can leave".

I don't happen to agree with that philosophy, by the way. And I do see your points about singles.

I agree with Joe!

I believe that's because the pass is for the house, not any specific number of people.

Why not take the guest pass dilemma to the Villages Homeowner Association?

The Villages Homeowners Association Home Page - The Villages Homeowners Association

Thank you for bringing this up Joe. There must be a readily implementable, satisfactory and workable solution out there.

The demographic reality is more and more 55 and over people are single/divorced/widowed and remaining so (another baby boomer trend?).

This pass issue has been and continues to be a primary concern for me as a potential single Villager. As it stands, singles are subsidizing the two or more folks households because the amenities fees are paid on a per household basis rather than a per person basis.

I like the previously proposed idea of having a pass that allows single resident Villagers to bring outside dates to Villagers only facilities and events. These passes could be restricted to "only when accompanies by the identified single Villager".

Totally agree with 2BNTV. There should be a second ID issued to the deed holder and registered as "Sponsored User ID". Seems simple enough and should be pushed through to fruition.

Wrong Joe! Why not my Grandkids, Why not my Ex Wife, why not my Aunts and Uncles, why not my girlfriends who my wife doesn't know about, and why not just anybody who you think should be exempt. Follow the rules like the rest of us do!

Joe hasn't broken any rules and is simply suggesting a fair solution to his and I'm sure many others problem who are in the same situation. Why would any of the existing two member ID households have an issue with 2BNTV's request? Is the cost of a home cheaper for single owners? Fair would be distribute two per household regardless of deed ownership.

What happens when a spouse passes in TV? Does the ID pass of the deceased get revoked?

All of these people would get TV ID's if they are on your deed, with the possible exception of the grandkids depending on their ages.

If we didn't embrace change, women would not be voting, same sex marriage would be impossible, etc etc etc.

Perhaps it's time for TV to move into the 21st century. Does anybody know how other retirement communities handle their ID cards?

I completely agree with Joe and think this is unfair. I was explaining this recently to some friends and they doubted me, thinking it was absurd. Sadly it is true and does need to be examined.

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Seems to me a resident ID is only for residents. Guess passes should be available for significant others, but limited to use when with the resident. We should not have permanent guess passes floating around. You know they would be abused!

According to the current rules a resident can only bring a guest to a function requiring guest passes if they reside outside sumter, lake, or Marion counties. So if a male resident wants to bring a female to an event she must be from outside the three surrounding counties to get a guest pass. Is that not correct? There should be some provision allowing for a companion pass, if you will, for single residents. That's the way I see it.

A person does not need to be "on the deed" to get a resident ID.

I agree with you too Joe. It seems fair and not too much to ask.
thanks Joe for bringing up the issue

When you are right you are right and damn it your right

Everyone deed pays the same

You can say that again!

I again say this would be people who want to date someone outside TV but within the 50 mile radius. If someone lives outside the 50 mile radius, a guest pass can be distributed and used as needed for all visitors.

I don't think the issuing of another resident I.D. for single people is abusing the system as the vast majority of TV,is married.

I am not asking for the rules to be broken, only amended to be more just and fair.

After all, does married people pay more in amenity fees per household, than single people? If they don't and get issued two resident I.D's, then maybe they should pay double. How would married people feel about paying twice the amount of single people. After all, isn't two people using the same facilities instead of one.

Do they pay twice the amount for their house than single people?

The sword should cut on both sides. NO?

Are the amenity fees based on household plus number of occupants?

Just curious! When you bought your home in TV was it new or a resale? If it was a resale, did you purchase from a couple? If so, there would have been a second ID card relinquished. Something is wacky in their policy and should be rectified.

Yes, it was a resale. Was bought by a couple but the husband passed away prior to my purchase.

I think they should review this one particular issue, as it is not fair. IMHO

If amenity fees were to be paid per person, Joe, would you support snowbirds just paying amenity fees for the months in which they actually reside in the Villages?

Fair? To whom? To the way someone else thinks? What on earth would happen to the Villages if everything that people thought is not "fair" in their deed restrictions got taken to task and changed? You know - like lawn ornaments and signs. I understand your plight and that of other singles; but as has been pointed out before almost as often as saving seats and dog poop posts, we all knew about stuff like this when we moved here.

Perhaps a paper 'special event guest pass'/'date night guest pass' could be given to a resident on an as needed basis. No need to issue anything except a piece of paper and could be issued within the week prior to the event/date. No pictures to take, no records to keep, no monitoring/tracking to follow-up - pass expires at the end of the event/date. We all know how suspect some folks are that gate passes have been shared by residents with their off-campus friends. Could that happen with a permanent guest pass, too?

Would a special guest not be worth the effort to a single resident?