FYI - CDC Vaccine Whistleblower
 

I was hesitant to share this but felt the need to let those who are of like mind, know that there is lots of evidence to use other avenues of health support. Like I have always felt, if I had a broken bone, I would head to the ER. However, this article really supports many of the decisions I have made over the years regarding how to handle health concerns in the family. I was fortunate to have a paediatrician who was in charge of disease control at Sick Kids, and he always waited until there was more symptoms before prescribing anything drug related, so my kids didn't have the antibiotic approach that was fairly common at that time.

Over the years, I have studied many alternative approaches to health, both Eastern and Western and in our practice we have seen children who have been negatively affected, some very severely, by vaccinations and other medical interventions. I don't mean to throw the baby out with the bath, but I do think it is prudent for anyone to research and learn for themselves what alternatives are available, if you have the time to do that and are not in crisis.

Like most things, it is better to do your research before you need the help, so you can make as informed a choice as possible, if need be. For us, it has become a lifestyle choice and hopefully it will help us to live out our golden years with more vitality and good health.

Wishing that for everyone.

LW888

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An added article -
 

Just came across a second article entitled "Why is China Having Measles Outbreaks when 99% are Vaccinated" and I thought this was an interesting addendum to the first article.


I was particularly attracted to the concept that the vaccines suppress the body's own immune system, which to me has always been such a strange way to handle disease. It's like we don't give our bodies a chance to build the immunity in childhood and we don't trust our body's ability to keep us healthy and handle the viruses and bacterias that are everywhere. My belief is if I support my immune system it will look after me and if I need to there are lots of ways I can support my immune system if it is needs added support to handle more than the run of the mill stuff.

I'll get off the soap box now.

LW888

Why Is China Having Measles Outbreaks When 99% Are Vaccinated?

Thank you for sharing. I've always been leery about a lot of the shots they want children to have, especially for kids they believe are hyperactive.

My SIL was one of the head nurses at a famous hospital (I won't name). She's gone now, but I remember her telling me that she always believed they had a cure for cancer, but the drug companies and others make too much money off of it.

I've heard that too. In fact there are many ways to deal with Cancer, but for me the big thing is to change the internal terrain, or internal "soup" so that it is not supporting the malignant cells. Lots of info out there and many ways to approach treatment, but that is often too scary to trust, especially if you are in crisis. There are many types of tissues so different tissues may need different approaches. My belief is that if the internal soup doesn't change, then it is still a breeding ground for malignant cells. And change is not just physically induced, but is affected by mental and emotional components too. So that is why it is such a complex study. I even heard of a fellow who had a cancerous tumour before he went to a Matrix Energetics Workshop and by the end of the workshop his timor was no longer there according to his doctor. So go figure! Lots of food for thought.


LW888

No one asks for an alternative provider when they need their appendix removed. No one calls a psychic to read their chest xray. An alternative is do you want a blue sweater or a red sweater. Alternative medicine is mostly non-medicine. It is drek in a useless pill, see the recent NYS attorney general investigation of alternative products with none of the labelled material in the pill.

You have cited a website which proudly includes on its banner the phrase:

Police State Fascism Vaccine Mandates

And you think that might be a reliable source of unbiased reporting?

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

I have seen tens of thousands of children vaccinated and not a single one suffered autism or permanent damage from the vaccines. How many times does the same data have to be replicated before the people with their dangerous agenda will stop spreading misinformation. First it was the DTP, then it was thimerosol, then the MMR. Believe what you wish, but don't put the public health at risk by becoming a walking oozing virus spraying neo-typhoid Mary

Believe what you wish, but don't put the public health at risk by becoming a walking oozing virus spraying neo-typhoid Mary
:BigApplause:

Here is a common death certificate from the pre-vaccine era. Cause of death, Diphtheria

I'll bet his mother would have happily accepted vaccines instead of depending on his three year old immune system to have the opportunity to build up immunity on its own. You obviously don't understand how vaccines work or that you don't get an opportunity to build up immunity to potentially fatal illnesses. How would you like a chance to build up your immunity to Ebola? Some people do survive it and they are forever immune to the next exposure (unless it mutates)

I was one of those kids who rarely was given antibiotics. I was also one of those unfortunate kids who was vaccinated against any possible disease (the joys of traveling to many "third-world" countries). Personally, I think both have served me well. Although I have RA, I have an immune system strong enough to have kept it at a low level for 40-plus years. I rarely get a cold or the flu even though I'm allergic to the flu vaccines. I firmly believe that by not using a lot of antibiotics, my body was given the opportunity to build up its own immunosuppressors. At the same time, I'm grateful for the vaccines I've had and their ability to protect me from many major illnesses.

How is it the vaccines all did what they were supposed to do all those years since we as kids HAD to get to be allowed to go to school.

Almost literally making the child hood diseases extinct.

And now in the day and age of 24/7 coverage of anything by anybody....along with the thou shalt not upset anyone or ENFORCE or mandate an action. That allows a small percentage to have the same volume of representation as a majority.

Let the folks who want to do it their way do so.
Keep the rules the same however. No vaccination = no school. No vaccination = no coverage by insurance for coming down with the disease.

As poetic as it may sound, the tail just does not wag the dog!!!!!!!

Thank you for the common sense post Redwitch.

I absolutely agree with Blueash and Billethe kid and absolutely disagree with the OP on this subject. And I absolutely know the credentials of the people that I stand up for.

Vaccine does not suppress the immune system, it arms it. Here is how it works. Some weakened or dead virus is injected into the skin and it causes the bodies disease fighters to recognize it and arm against it. http://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/...cines_work.htm

PLEASE LIghtworker, don't spread half truths. It is very dangerous not to vaccinate children and the old rumor that vaccination caused autism has been disproved.

We as grandparents are very powerful in our influence on our children. We need to know the truth and pass it on.

Bump

Know that feeling. Had 3 full yellow cards by age 21.

If we are going to stop vaccinating, we need to return to mandatory, *enforced* quantines for people/families with communicable diseases. This includes everyone in the household remaining at home.

People seem to forget the "good old days" of quarantines...

THANK YOU!!!!

It had the tone of a Unibomber or InfoWars!!

To the OP who is so much against vaccinations ............

... and what would, or did, the non-vaccinators do about accepting the Polio Vaccine? I could not get my children vaccinated quick enough. Are you old enough to remember the dreadful iron lung that people lived in. Thank God for people like Dr. Jonas Edward Salk who developed the polio vaccine; and the rest of the researchers who spent years working on vaccines so that our children could live healthy lives.

They prefer to listen to the boob tube celebs and former Playboy Playmates and Oprah and The View who give them an instant audience of millions of people who do not read from sources like National Institutes of Health or Centers for Disase Control…….

Jenny McCarthy: anti-vaxxer, public menace - LA Times

Amen to that.

It is inconceivable to me that any school would let a non-vaccinated child attend and put so many other children at risk. Not vaccinating children is not the standard. Let the minority who don't believe in it make their own private accommodations for education and sports and any other group activity so as not to allow their narrow beliefs to impact the majority.

I applaud the pediatricians who refuse to accept non-vaccinated kids as patients. a doctor's office is another area where innocent children could be exposed to serious illness due to another's belief.

See:

Sick Child’s Father Seeks Vaccination Requirement in California

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/us...ents.html?_r=0

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I would suggest that the parents who are against vaccination should start looking into what we have done to the food chain over the past 30+ years.

Hormones injected into cattle to produce more milk!
Injecting feeder/finisher beef cattle with hormones to obtain better growth and feed efficiency!
Cement dust in their feed to bulk up cattle!
Feeding animal parts to cattle - mad cow disease!
Injecting antibiotics into their animals for something or other!
and the list goes on and on ............

IMHO we are killing our own. Animals are supposed to be grass fed, not fed garbage to make money for the farming company.

If you have the time you might find some interesting information in this article Milk: It Does a Body Good? | Weston A Price. And by now, you will have realized I am a health nut!

I'm not anti vaccination, but I don't think CDC or any other "health" agency is above questioning. CDC has had major errors in handling of dangerous biological materials, and, I believe, they were recently involved in the ebola containment and handling procedures scandal. If anything, government agencies have proven many times that they are fallible. More often than not, government agencies have an agenda that they promote, and have been guilty of ignoring data that doesn't support their position.
I'm not against vaccination, but I understand people questioning "the debate is over, the science is settled" consensus.

Here's what I don't get about the whole "requirement to attend public school" issue. If these vaccinations are so effective, why do the same people that say these vaccinations "wiped out so many diseases" worry about a non vaccinated kid going to school with a bunch of vaccinated kids? The vaccinated kids are protected, right? Or is it that the vaccinations are not that effective? Or is it that the pro vaccination crowd just wants to impose their will on the non vaccinated kids?

I remember having measles. It was awful.

I remember the fear of damaged vision.

I remember when being pregnant meant you better hope you had measles as a child because you sure did not want to get measles while pregnant. -- Pregnant women worry a lot sometimes and now if their parents chose to depend on the herd, pregnant women have to worry about measles.

I remember being glad when the vaccine arrived for the next generation and for generations after.

Measles is more than just an inconvenience to have. Measles can be life-changing -- and not in a good way.

There should be no exemption for personal reasons. There are people whose immune systems are compromised and they cannot be vaccinated. Those who choose not to vaccinate their children put other children at risk.

Do an internet search using the tag "putting unvaccinated children in with vaccinated children" and you will find more than enough scientific information for why unvaccinated children should not be with vaccinated children (or adults).

I have never been a fan of pushing cow's milk on kids. So many are allergic to it. Cow's milk--made for baby cows. Breast milk--made for baby humans.

It's why I'm disgusted with Nestle and won't buy their products--because they took their infant formula over to third-world countries and convinced the new mothers there it was better for their babies than their own milk, especially because (they said) the mothers didn't get proper nutrition. What happened was since they couldn't afford the proper amount of formula, the mothers starting diluting it with water, making it even less nutritious for their babies, and the babies didn't thrive. A greedy company not the least bit concerned with ethics.

Now we see Pepsi trying to modify milk.

But off topic. Sorry.

Well said.

And CFrance...I was a LaLeche Leader for years.

I thought your post was fair except perhaps for the comment about vaccinations. How could you tell that some children were negatively affected? Couldn't it be just a coincidence that a child is sick from something other than having been vaccinated?

However, I will say thanks for the link. That's really serious. More on this later.

Why would a parent with a child that has a compromised immune system let their child go to a public school with all the colds, flu, etc always going around?

If a child cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, are you saying they should also not be allowed to go to public school?

seThe point is that if everyone is vaccinated, the child with the compromised immune system would not be open to catching devastating diseases.

No, I believe that post is saying that parents with children who cannot be vaccinated against childhood illnesses for medical reasons already have a risk sending the child to school. They should not have that risk increased by people who choose to not vaccinate their children for whatever reason. There are some things we have to do for the common welfare.

But if you allowed these special cases to attend school then everyone would not be vaccinated. It seems no one has a good answer as to why a non vaccinated kid would pose a material threat to a vaccinated kid.

The vaccine takes a while to be effective, and in some cases does not work. So some vaccinated children are at risk from eing around the unvaccinated. Measels had been eradicated before this, with only a scattering of cases. Now it is escalating due to the fact that there are so many people not vaccinating their children. What's to keep the disease from mutating into something stronger that the vaccinations can't prevent?

It just doesn't make sense to me to allow a controllable disease to gain a foothold. Nothing good can come of it.

Quite correct. And the majority of those not vaccinating are doing so based on bad science. The pediatrician who initiated this idiotic trend in the UK is now an embarrassed liar and a joke in the scientific community. His data was falsified and those who believed him are endangering their children and others.

I don't know if you are serious in that posting, but I will answer it as if you don't already know the reasons.

No vaccine is 100% effective in producing protection. Some are 99+ % and some are in the 70% range (whooping cough). There are some vaccines that require a series of shots each one re-exposing the patient to a piece of the disease organism to get the body to increasingly respond with anti-bodies and T-cells which will be available should there be a future attack by the actual disease. Over time for some vaccines this immune system preparedness wanes and needs to be boosted. You should be receiving a tetanus booster every 10 years.

Even in a fully vaccinated person it is entirely possible that they are not fully protected as there may have been a sub-adequate response to the vaccine, the vaccine may have been administered incorrectly (given IM when it should have been subQ or vice versa, improperly stored or shipped etc.)

There are also what you derisively call special cases which I don't see as special but fully expected and predictable. There will be in a school not only children who did not get immunity when they were vaccinated, but children who are immunosuppressed either through new illness or medication. Every school has kids on chemo. Every school has kids on immunosuppressants for illnesses. Every community has children too young to have been even offered vaccines.

Read about the measles outbreak in Calif that is continuing to spread and note that a small percentage of those who have become ill were vaccine recipients. So absolutely, non-vaccinated people are a risk both to those who also have not been vaccinated and to those who have been vaccinated. And that is everyone.

Thanks for the complete explanation, blue ash.

I'll add an anecdotal tidbit to that. During an outbreak of mumps in the NHL, Pittsburgh Penguin Sydney Crosby's contracted them despite having had a vaccination as a child plus a booster.

Of course, a team locker room is a great breeding ground for germs, as would be school gym locker rooms.

well, the measles virus is very contagious and can last on surfaces for 2 hours. so, say an unvaccinated kid is coming down with it and sneezes on little Johnny right before school ends and Johnny has an infant sibling (too young for vaccination) at home, or one undergoing chemotherapy and loves to hug little Johnny when he comes home and comes down with measles.

as to colds and flu...well the flu shot is recommended for all children and if they ever had a cold vaccine I'd be the first in line to get it.

everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for the articles the OP referenced, please put the topic in google and read other sources before believing them. a scientific article explains that many of China's measles cases are in children too young for the vaccine, there's poor reporting of vaccinations in some cases, so there may be less coverage than reported.

There was an article in the Friday Daily Sun: "Q-and-A: Why You Should, and Shouldn't, Worry About Measles"

The last question asked if adults need shots. The answer was "most likely not."

The article states if you were born before 1957 you should be immune because measles was widespread and most kids had it. Those who got vaccinated are ok because they are protected for life.

Those who are not sure whether they were vaccinated or not can get the shots now.

I remember as a kid getting vaccinated when I started school at about 5 years old. But I have no idea if it was for measles or something else. And I don't remember having measles or anyone in my family having measles. I'm sure I would have remembered if I had blotches all over my body.

Wouldn't it be a good idea for me to get vaccinated, just to play it safe? Is it a two step process? One shot now and another one later?

sunnyatlast: Not even my smoke alarm going off could get me out of the house as fast as my wife tuning into "The View" Talk shows like this are antithesis to anything remotely termed informational so your term "boob tube is quite appropriate