APNewsbreak: Democrats seek relief from health law penalties
 

Wow, talk about "what goes around, comes around" couple with amusing irony ...

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This law has not really even taken affect yet !!! This income tax season will open some eyes, but maybe in a few years, they will realize.

You know, all the polls that one or two posters seem to want to post are funny in a way. If you all recall how the Republicans kept saying how only a small percentage of americans supported the new Health care law.

It is my opinion, they could not even make that judgement because even those who voted it in did not know and still do not know....it is my opinion that they did not like the MANNER IN WHICH IT WAS ENACTED. Almost 90% of this country backs so much of the bill, but hate the way we were maniputlated.

I feel that way about all the polls...tells you nothing..depends.

But this law will need MAJOR surgery and sadly it will cost many many people over the next years.

And the highlighted claim is backed up wher?

Allow me to correct. MY OPINION, because I never heard or saw printed anywhere that Americans did not want lower health care costs, allowance or pre existing conditions, etc.

If you have heard that, let me know....perhaps I should have said...MAJORITY...will that work or do you really think most Americans are not for that ?

I have been polled on whether I have a positive or negative opinion of the ACA. I have answered negative. I don't think it went far enough as I support single payer for all. So when you see polls on the ACA, keep in mind that some of the negative people feel the law is too WEAK. And I am not alone

Not all of the opposition to the health care law comes from the right," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Thirty-nine percent say they oppose the law because it's too liberal, but 12% say they oppose it because it's not liberal enough."
CNN Poll: Support for Obamacare slightly edges up – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Why are you amused? Can you explain what the concern of the Democrats might be and if there is any chance Republicans would go along with a modification that might help up to 4 million taxpayers?

Most recent Kaiser poll asking re features of the ACA

A good liberal never lets reality stand in the way of forcing their noble visions on the rest of us.

"But a (single payer) plan to enact just such a system in Sanders’s home state of Vermont suffered a major setback in December when Gov. Peter Shumlin (D), who had been a champion of the effort, dropped the proposal, concluding it was not financially feasible. "

Sanders puts brave face on single-payer troubles | TheHill

Manipulations of polls is the worse kept secret. hence they do not sway me one way or another.

what does sway me are the countless comments by people who expected succor with ACA and instead discovered they had been suckered.

The desire for a single payer is such a horrible idea. the government via ACA, medicare etc has placed such pressure on the independent system of doctors that their practices are dropping like flies.

the demand that doctors implement an electronic medical record system has been a failure in that it has lowered quality of care substantially and increased a medical doctors cost of doing business and the electronic records create many errors. My cardio complained about this system a year ago as he keyboarded our conversation without looking up and really observing me as a patient. In addition the government has slashed medical cost so much that many doctors are opting out of the third party payer system and billing their patients directly. Can you imagine the chaos if we go to a single payer model

ACA was a very bad idea from the beginning

Care to offer your suggestions on how to insure the over ten million people who have signed up for Obamacare? The public has been waiting since 2009 for the republican alternative to the ACA. Remember the mantra 'repeal and replace'?

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All about hust say no, at any cost. Not one constructive measure has been offered up by the Republican/tea party bunch in 6 years. They sit on their butts hoping for failure. I find it disgusting and un-American!

Yes, terrible chaos. Please everyone if you are presently enrolled in a single payer health plan, get out immediately it will be chaos soon. Go and buy insurance from a private for profit corporation. That means all of you on Medicare, all of you on Tricare, all of you on Medicaid. Chaos !! Practices are dropping like flies. Look at the complete absence of medical practices here in The Villages where almost everyone is on a single payer health insurance.

You are correct that probably a big percentage support ACA but the reason is because we are not paying for it. When that day comes, and it will, the """ will hit the fan. It is very much like the conflicts in middle east we have been in for over a decade, if we were paying for them they would not enjoy the support they do now.

Of course we all want less expensive medical coverage. That does not equate to being in favoe of the ACA....not with all the unknowns and the mega millions in hidden costs that have not been realized yet.

Here is one example. Many/most insurance companies now take pre-existing conditions. Incuding those that did not before ACA.
Initially the premiums have been reasonable to slightly more. When it comes to premiums it is all about claim rate....frequency and dollars. As the incidences go up and the dollar outlay increases there can only be one result. Increased premiums. Next question....now that pre-existing conditions are now part of a companies clientele it is safe to assume the company's care costs will be increasing. There can only be one result. Increased premiums.

The remaining insurance companies will have the market locked. They will be free to return to their profit margins of the days before accepting pre-existing conditions. There can only be one way to do that. Increased premiums.

I used to say during the Obama ram it through the system days that those who were complaining about the high cost of health care......that no matter what back then it was the least expensive and best health care coverage they would ever have.

Back then the forecast was that during the first couple of years of ACA implementaion....all the positives would be had (pre-existing conditions, students to age _?_, etc).
Beginning in 2016 is when the true costs of ACA to the individual would start to be felt.

What other impacts could there be for adding pre-existing conditions?
What other impacts could there be for adding millions to the existing system?

What happened to all the savings that were going to come from medicare excess? Guess where that shortfall will be made up.

Anybody who still thinks ACA is going to provide lower cost health care is still listening to the pied pipers tune.

So what is your solution to universal healthcare including, of course, pre-existing conditions?

That logic sounds like "low voter turn out resulted in the sweeping republican wins in the house and senate" last November...jus' sayin'.

If so many people have signed up for obamacare, why are there still 30 million uninsured?

Who said we need universal health care.

All some of us want is reasonable cost of reasonable health care (being very careful to stay away from "affordaable").

There will always be those who can't afford it no matter what.
Are you willing to pay for theirs?

There will always be those who do not want it whether they can afford it or not.
Very many folks would rather spend the money on something else and then let the hand out system work when they need something.

And as far as those who are illegal....of course they can have it if they pay for it.....at least can get a subsidy.
Oh, I guess we are paying for it....eh?

The old system was working as well or better than anything since. Instead of fixing that part of health care that was working, why not come up with something for those who don't have any.

Nope...we are forced to fix it all and it is now on it's way to being all

The old system didn't work for me. I have a pre-existing condition.

The old system was if you get sick, just show up at the emergency room and we'll let the hospitals eat the loss.

the old system worked quite effectively for most of the population. Yes it did contain and generated high cost health care.

And of course SOME with pre existing conditions had difficulty finding reasonable coverage (it was available).

And who said the ACA was going to eliminate the glut of uninsured at the emergency room. Those that do not have or do not want to pay for health care will continue to do so.

And some forget to note that I did specifically state FIX the parts of health care that needed fixing.

Using the word universal makes for pretty (they think) speeches.
It also is a platform for the single payer system the current aministration wants and is moving toward.

There STILL has been nothing done to get the ever rising costs and abuse of health care charges under some control.

Remember the $500,000,000 cost reduction in medicare that was going to offset some of the cost of ACA? How are we doing against that farsical commitment?

I understand that it is a pretty safe bet that the WH will indeed grant this exception. Other sites are reporting that democrats in congress got their ears and this will happen to prevent a lot of shock...

"Hypocrisy: If ObamaCare is so great, why do Democrats repeatedly try to hide its more unpleasant features? The latest example is their desperate effort to grant still more exemptions to the law's individual mandate.
This week, three House Democrats who helped usher ObamaCare through that chamber — Sander Levin, Jim McDermott, and Lloyd Doggett — sent a plea to the White House, asking it to grant the uninsured another chance to enroll.
Their concern: Millions who are about to file taxes will learn they owe a penalty — sorry, "shared responsibility payment" — for not having coverage.
At the same time, they'll be out of luck getting coverage this year, since open enrollment is already closed. Which means they will owe a far bigger penalty next year, when it more than doubles.
"Without a special enrollment period, many people (who will be paying fines) will not have another opportunity to get coverage this year," the Democrats said in a statement.
Boo hoo.
When ObamaCare was put together, these same Democrats insisted that the law would only work if everyone were required to buy insurance.
That's because ObamaCare bans insurance companies from denying the sick coverage or charging them more, thereby encouraging people to wait until after they get sick to buy insurance. As in states that had already tried these reforms, the result would be a death spiral of rising premiums.


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I am pretty sure that you can apply for an exemption for this however.

I think it is quite un-American of the Democrats to want to renege on the provisions of the law that they passed. Now they want to "just say no" to a part of the bill they don't like and for which they are taking he** from their constituents! I hope they get their "butts" handed to them come the next election!

The Dems just keep moving the goal posts ... there's always a sob story that mandates exceptions and such. It's becoming a predictable joke ... albeit an expensive one.

Opinions on ACA and health care in general are really driven by whether a person is writing a check out their own bank account to pay for health care or if someone else is paying for it. I know mine is as I write a big check every month and also pay an ever increasing deductable. The free enterprise system works great in many areas but has been severely bastardized in medicine. When a working person cannot afford to pay for basic health care out of his wages, without insurance the system as is cannot be repaired. Private sector supplied health care coverage is disappearing rapidly and unless some of the obscene profit is taken out of health care everyone is in for a "come to Jesus moment".