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Guest 03-21-2015 03:36 PM

Who Can Beat Hillary?
 
Hillary Clinton will be the unchallenged democratic nominee for president in 2016, so who should she fear the most on the republican side. There are so many good choices. Donald Trump comes to mind, along with Dr Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Chris Christie.

Barack Obama beat Mitt Romney by 11% with women in 2012 (55% to 44%), and by 20 plus% among unmarried women, so it would seem that the GOP needs some help with women. The logical scenario would be to nominate a woman, but who?

Hillary will have an army of voters and volunteers all ready to go on day one of her campaign. Who are all the Villages voters ready to march with?

Guest 03-21-2015 03:41 PM

And O'Malley will knock her off her perch just like Obama did.

How could he not? He is much more qualified than Obama ever was (even today).

Fresh and clean and not an insider all pluses for him and minuses for same old same old Clintonism.

Guest 03-21-2015 04:28 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1032367)
And O'Malley will knock her off her perch just like Obama did.

How could he not? He is much more qualified than Obama ever was (even today).

Fresh and clean and not an insider all pluses for him and minuses for same old same old Clintonism.

Hillary Clinton - Latest 2014 Polls and Approval Ratings - POLITICO


Unfortunately for Martin O'Malley, he is polling at 1% in the latest poll tied at the bottom with Jim Webb. O'Malley has to reach 15% in the polls just to be included in any debate. Most pundits think he is looking for a cabinet position in the future Clinton administration.

Guest 03-21-2015 04:29 PM

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Hillary Clinton - Latest 2014 Polls and Approval Ratings - POLITICO


Unfortunately for Martin O'Malley, he is polling at 1% in the latest poll tied at the bottom with Jim Webb. O'Malley has to reach 15% in the polls just to be included in any debate. Most pundits think he is looking for a cabinet position in the future Clinton administration.


It's very close though. Hillary has 62%, O'Malley has 1%.

Guest 03-21-2015 05:29 PM

We need Joe Biden to get into the race !
Go to " Draft Joe Biden 2016 " .

Guest 03-21-2015 11:07 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1032404)
Hillary Clinton - Latest 2014 Polls and Approval Ratings - POLITICO


Unfortunately for Martin O'Malley, he is polling at 1% in the latest poll tied at the bottom with Jim Webb. O'Malley has to reach 15% in the polls just to be included in any debate. Most pundits think he is looking for a cabinet position in the future Clinton administration.

Seems to me that a dark horse in 2008 knocked her out of the front running......remember?

Guest 03-21-2015 11:09 PM

She was a lot more sale able back in 2008 and she still lost.
Is she the dem poster child for desperation?

Guest 03-22-2015 06:45 AM

New Gallup poll finds Hillary Clinton top-rated 2016 candidate among women


Hillary Clinton tops the list of favorability ratings with women. Jeb Bush is at 32% and Scott Walker is at 17%, according to this new Gallup poll. It would seem that the GOP has their work cut out for them.

Guest 03-22-2015 09:37 AM

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New Gallup poll finds Hillary Clinton top-rated 2016 candidate among women


Hillary Clinton tops the list of favorability ratings with women. Jeb Bush is at 32% and Scott Walker is at 17%, according to this new Gallup poll. It would seem that the GOP has their work cut out for them.

So what do the ratings provide?
A snapshot AT THAT POINT in time ONLY!
I feel like a broken record but feel the need to keep reminding that she also topped the favorability ratings with women in 2007.....she lost to a MALE, dark horse candidate...virtual unknown....unqualified candidate....who talked a better game.
She lost!

Guest 03-22-2015 09:56 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1032668)
So what do the ratings provide?
A snapshot AT THAT POINT in time ONLY!
I feel like a broken record but feel the need to keep reminding that she also topped the favorability ratings with women in 2007.....she lost to a MALE, dark horse candidate...virtual unknown....unqualified candidate....who talked a better game.
She lost!


And that MALE, dark horse candidate...virtual unknown...blah, blah, blah, was able to raise one billion dollars to compete. Who on the horizon has that kind of star power?

Not wanting to sound like a broken record, but who would that be?

Guest 03-22-2015 10:07 AM

Sen. Ted Cruz will announce White House bid at Liberty University - The Washington Post


How great will it be that the first two candidates out of the gate for the GOP will be Ted Cruz and Donald Trump?

Guest 03-22-2015 11:15 AM

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Sen. Ted Cruz will announce White House bid at Liberty University - The Washington Post


How great will it be that the first two candidates out of the gate for the GOP will be Ted Cruz and Donald Trump?

Bring on the debates.

Guest 03-22-2015 12:26 PM

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Sen. Ted Cruz will announce White House bid at Liberty University - The Washington Post


How great will it be that the first two candidates out of the gate for the GOP will be Ted Cruz and Donald Trump?

You mean Trump and The Chump!

Guest 03-22-2015 12:34 PM

This thread is entitled "Who Can Beat Hillary?"

No possibility of either Cruz or Trump winning over Sec. Clinton.

Scott Walker compares 100,000 union workers to ISIS and wants to send US ground forces into Syria. Americans have seen how well that works.

Jeb is in favor of a pathway to citizenship as is Rubio. That dog isn't going to jump for conservative nut cases.

Who you got left?

Guest 03-22-2015 01:21 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1032768)
This thread is entitled "Who Can Beat Hillary?"

No possibility of either Cruz or Trump winning over Sec. Clinton.

Scott Walker compares 100,000 union workers to ISIS and wants to send US ground forces into Syria. Americans have seen how well that works.

Jeb is in favor of a pathway to citizenship as is Rubio. That dog isn't going to jump for conservative nut cases.

Who you got left?

Surely, the old 6 PAC can come up with a few names that can beat Mrs. Clinton.:1rotfl: ...and don't call me Shirley.

Guest 03-22-2015 02:40 PM

If voters paid attention to the problems this nation has and then compares them to the likely presidential candidate that can solve them then there is not a candidate on either side. Unfortunately there are far too many voters with a Kim Kardashian mentality and they consider themselves bright just to remember their favorite candidates name and the country will continue to suffer as it has for the last 6.5 years.

I wrote an editorial opinion long ago explaining that the Dems would push the "its time to elect a woman , president". And when your only qualification is that you are a woman I can see why the Dems would hype up that non sequitur issue.

Obama wants to make voting mandatory. I would readily agree with his proposal with one caveat that all voters be required to take a civics exam before they are allowed to vote. I'll wager better than half the voters would fail.

The country missed an opportunity when they rejected Mitt Romney. Romney lost because establishment Republicans failed to back him. Romney's analysis has proven accurate to both domestic an international issues. He is an honest and gifted businessman with a moral imperative and the intestinal fortitude to lead this nation .

It is sad to see such curt remarks by some posters who apparently cannot see the ultimate consequences of another inconsequential president


Personal Best Regards:

Guest 03-22-2015 03:13 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1032828)
If voters paid attention to the problems this nation has and then compares them to the likely presidential candidate that can solve them then there is not a candidate on either side. Unfortunately there are far too many voters with a Kim Kardashian mentality and they consider themselves bright just to remember their favorite candidates name and the country will continue to suffer as it has for the last 6.5 years.

I wrote an editorial opinion long ago explaining that the Dems would push the "its time to elect a woman , president". And when your only qualification is that you are a woman I can see why the Dems would hype up that non sequitur issue.

Obama wants to make voting mandatory. I would readily agree with his proposal with one caveat that all voters be required to take a civics exam before they are allowed to vote. I'll wager better than half the voters would fail.

The country missed an opportunity when they rejected Mitt Romney. Romney lost because establishment Republicans failed to back him. Romney's analysis has proven accurate to both domestic an international issues. He is an honest and gifted businessman with a moral imperative and the intestinal fortitude to lead this nation .

It is sad to see such curt remarks by some posters who apparently cannot see the ultimate consequences of another inconsequential president


Personal Best Regards:

I agree with you wholeheartedly about Mitt Romney. Although ideologically, he did not fit "my agenda" 100%, I admired his integrity, his experience, and his proven leadership enough to happily vote for him. I felt it was a vote in the right direction for the future of our country. I too believe that our country missed the opportunity to experience true leadership when we most needed it when he was not elected.

Guest 03-22-2015 03:45 PM

All the drum and chest beating over Hillary. So she fits the it is time for a women president attitude.

And I guess it is fruitless to continue to ask what her qualifications are just like it was a waste of time asking about Obama's qualifications.

One thing he has that Clinton does not. He has more than amply demonstrated what happens when a non qualified heretofore unkown become POTUS.

Sounds some some are willing to take that gamble again because it is a woman?

I really don't think so. I think if the dem's party line said they wanted Nancy Pelosi for POTUS.....you all would be touting how she is the heir apparent.

I think it is pretty embarassing to not even have another candidate or two.

Must be nobody wants to follow Obama in the job except Clinton. She presents more of the same and that should be what becomes her down fall. In addition to her suffering credibility.

Guest 03-22-2015 04:07 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1032862)
All the drum and chest beating over Hillary. So she fits the it is time for a women president attitude.

And I guess it is fruitless to continue to ask what her qualifications are just like it was a waste of time asking about Obama's qualifications.

One thing he has that Clinton does not. He has more than amply demonstrated what happens when a non qualified heretofore unkown become POTUS.

Sounds some some are willing to take that gamble again because it is a woman?

I really don't think so. I think if the dem's party line said they wanted Nancy Pelosi for POTUS.....you all would be touting how she is the heir apparent.

I think it is pretty embarassing to not even have another candidate or two.

Must be nobody wants to follow Obama in the job except Clinton. She presents more of the same and that should be what becomes her down fall. In addition to her suffering credibility.

It sounds like Hillary Clinton is the worst candidate ever, so how come she beats every GOP contender by double digits? What does that say about the republican candidates?

If Hillary weren't running, there would be at least a dozen candidates vying for the job, but it is hard work and requires a lot of money to win the presidency. Who would put out all that effort when they are certain to lose?

BTW: there's been no answer to the question 'who can beat Hillary'?

All you Mitt Romney fans should get a draft Romney PAC started, or doesn't he want to lose for the third time?

Guest 03-22-2015 04:23 PM

First of all, HILLARY HASN'T BEAT ANYONE YET........so knock off the "she beats every GOP contender yadda, yadda, yadda..."! The fact is, she hasn't even beat a Democrat contender YET!! It would be nice to talk FACTS here instead of theory.....and polls are just that - here today, gone tomorrow - pretty meaningless at this stage of the game. As a female, I too am tired of the "it's time for a woman president attitude". LET THE BEST MAN/WOMAN WIN!! I don't care the gender, race, religion, or anything else......let's just vote in a real leader who loves this country and ALL it's people!!

Guest 03-22-2015 04:36 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1032887)
First of all, HILLARY HASN'T BEAT ANYONE YET........so knock off the "she beats every GOP contender yadda, yadda, yadda..."! The fact is, she hasn't even beat a Democrat contender YET!! It would be nice to talk FACTS here instead of theory.....and polls are just that - here today, gone tomorrow - pretty meaningless at this stage of the game. As a female, I too am tired of the "it's time for a woman president attitude". LET THE BEST MAN/WOMAN WIN!! I don't care the gender, race, religion, or anything else......let's just vote in a real leader who loves this country and ALL it's people!!

It's so true that polls are just a snapshot in time, but it would be nice to see one sometime that is not lopsided. And who is that 'LET THE BEST MAN/WOMAN WIN?

Guest 03-22-2015 04:39 PM

Last summer (July), MS Clinton said the following on CNN....

" I believe strongly that it's really important for there to be so little enrichment or no enrichment, at least for a long period of time."

Should she become the nominee, it will be interesting to hear her responses, since the President, is taking close to a total opposite approach.

Guest 03-22-2015 06:39 PM

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It's so true that polls are just a snapshot in time, but it would be nice to see one sometime that is not lopsided. And who is that 'LET THE BEST MAN/WOMAN WIN?

Now that's a good question, and I'll admit, I can't answer it. Still researching and studying the situation myself. And of course, why dwell on who that person might be when we don't even know who is running yet? The point is NO ONE person in my mind will be perfect enough to suit everyone's needs/desires. For that matter, I never expect that I will find a candidate who will perfectly suit all that I want, need, or desire. It's always a compromise because that is just life. My point in previous posts is to try to examine and select a candidate NOT just based on your own ideology - sure, that will factor in, but character traits like integrity, honesty, and disposition under pressure are all much more important to me. Also, someone who will listen to both sides of a discussion and work to bring people together. To me anyway, these are the signs of a good leader (BEST MAN/WOMAN). After all, the POTUS is supposed to be representative of ALL Americans, not pushing just their own ideology and trying to make a cult out of the American people. Of course, this is all JMHO. I'm pretty sure we are still free to express that in this country :icon_wink:.

Guest 03-23-2015 10:19 AM

Leadership.
That quality of attribute significantly missing in current politics.
In the 2016 election one should exclude anybody who is a lawyer by profession....period....across the board....no matter who the candidate.

Guest 03-23-2015 06:41 PM

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Sen. Ted Cruz will announce White House bid at Liberty University - The Washington Post


How great will it be that the first two candidates out of the gate for the GOP will be Ted Cruz and Donald Trump?

Go to tedcruz.com for a message.

Guest 03-23-2015 06:52 PM

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Go to tedcruz.com for a message.

There will be those who will quickly zero in on Ted Cruz.

How can anybody argue with the message?

Guest 03-23-2015 07:08 PM

Hillary is a liar a loser and a fake she would be as bad as obama.

Guest 03-23-2015 07:26 PM

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There will be those who will quickly zero in on Ted Cruz.

How can anybody argue with the message?

Ted Cruz Just Laid Out The Most Anti-Woman Agenda Yet | ThinkProgress


Ted Cruz just laid out the most anti-woman agenda yet. He may get the evangelical vote, but that pales in comparison to the women's vote. Republicans lost women by 12% in 2012. They seem to need some help with that voting bloc. Ted Cruz is not the answer to that problem.

Guest 03-23-2015 07:31 PM

Ted Cruz as VP would make Sarah Palin look like Queen Elizabeth.

Guest 03-23-2015 09:28 PM

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Ted Cruz as VP would make Sarah Palin look like Queen Elizabeth.

Even the panel members of "The Five" on Fox today agreed that while Cruz had some good points, he was unelectable. That kind of statement from Fox about a Republican says this candidate is dead in the water.

Guest 03-24-2015 04:12 AM

Jeb Bush maybe. If your considering Ted Cruz, Rick Perry or Donald Trump, you need to better understand the voters in this country.:mornincoffee:

Guest 03-24-2015 06:43 AM

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Even the panel members of "The Five" on Fox today agreed that while Cruz had some good points, he was unelectable. That kind of statement from Fox about a Republican says this candidate is dead in the water.

Hi Guest: I watch The Five nightly. However, I find I as often agree as disagree with their statements, In my view the more likely voice of reason is Dana Perino. Let me first preface that there is never going to be a perfect candidate. Secondly that most of which any candidate says s/he will do will never come to fruition....and perhaps shouldn't. However, like Ted Cruz their opening remarks generally address what is on people's minds. So if you are for the flat tax he's your guy and if you believe gender inequality exists then Hillary is your gal. To me these are non sequiturs much like the social issues pushed by interested parties.

In my view my list of qualifications are simple.

Is the candidate an opportunist or truly interested in serving this nation?

What are this candidate's bona fides and how do they relate to the position of president?

What has this candidate done well in the past and/or failed to accomplish in their field of expertise? Example Mitt Romney is an excellent businessman and so I had confidence in his ability to right our economy.

Does the candidate have the intestinal fortitude to live up to his/her promises?

Is this candidate up to making the difficult choices when it comes to the defense of this nation?

Can this candidate be trusted to keep his/her word? In other words has the candidate kept to his/her promises in the past?

Is the candidate of truly moral character and yet wise to the ways of evil men/women?

Personal Best Regards

Guest 03-24-2015 08:59 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1033743)
Hi Guest: I watch The Five nightly. However, I find I as often agree as disagree with their statements, In my view the more likely voice of reason is Dana Perino. Let me first preface that there is never going to be a perfect candidate. Secondly that most of which any candidate says s/he will do will never come to fruition....and perhaps shouldn't. However, like Ted Cruz their opening remarks generally address what is on people's minds. So if you are for the flat tax he's your guy and if you believe gender inequality exists then Hillary is your gal. To me these are non sequiturs much like the social issues pushed by interested parties.

In my view my list of qualifications are simple.

Is the candidate an opportunist or truly interested in serving this nation?

What are this candidate's bona fides and how do they relate to the position of president?

What has this candidate done well in the past and/or failed to accomplish in their field of expertise? Example Mitt Romney is an excellent businessman and so I had confidence in his ability to right our economy.

Does the candidate have the intestinal fortitude to live up to his/her promises?

Is this candidate up to making the difficult choices when it comes to the defense of this nation?

Can this candidate be trusted to keep his/her word? In other words has the candidate kept to his/her promises in the past?

Is the candidate of truly moral character and yet wise to the ways of evil men/women?

Personal Best Regards

Obviously Clinton is not a candidate.
The sooner she steps down or gets knocked off (again) then the real democratic candidates will have a chance, like O'Malley:

Democrats favor Martin O

Guest 03-24-2015 09:27 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1033816)
Obviously Clinton is not a candidate.
The sooner she steps down or gets knocked off (again) then the real democratic candidates will have a chance, like O'Malley:

Democrats favor Martin O

Don't you just love the 'news' articles that quote an unnamed democratic source. The article fails to mention that O'Malley is polling at 1%, just under undecided. It also fails to mention how much money O'Malley has raised, who is running his organization and who is endorsing him???????

Guest 03-24-2015 09:30 AM

Hilary Clinton stopped by the White House yesterday and met with President Obama for about an hour in an unannounced visit. On the way out, Obama handed her the keys to the front door so she could have copies made for her family and friends.

Guest 03-24-2015 09:41 AM

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Don't you just love the 'news' articles that quote an unnamed democratic source. The article fails to mention that O'Malley is polling at 1%, just under undecided. It also fails to mention how much money O'Malley has raised, who is running his organization and who is endorsing him???????

And please help us understand how Obama's ratings, rankings and funding were known one year before the 2008 election.

The discussion by the way was not about what is known or unknown but who else could be a candidate....one that could beat Clinton. Since she is beating herself, out of a shot at the job....others more known than Obama one year out are surfacing.

Off point and off messaging to avoid the issue....again?

Guest 03-24-2015 10:56 AM

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And please help us understand how Obama's ratings, rankings and funding were known one year before the 2008 election.

The discussion by the way was not about what is known or unknown but who else could be a candidate....one that could beat Clinton. Since she is beating herself, out of a shot at the job....others more known than Obama one year out are surfacing.

Off point and off messaging to avoid the issue....again?


Final Fundraising Figure: Obama's $750M - ABC News


In 2008 in the 21 months leading up to the election, Barack Obama raised $750,000. More people contributed to his election than any other candidate in history.

Trust me, Martin O'Malley is no Barack Obama. At best, he is hoping for a cabinet position with future President Hilary Clinton.

Guest 03-24-2015 12:37 PM

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Final Fundraising Figure: Obama's $750M - ABC News


In 2008 in the 21 months leading up to the election, Barack Obama raised $750,000. More people contributed to his election than any other candidate in history.

Trust me, Martin O'Malley is no Barack Obama. At best, he is hoping for a cabinet position with future President Hilary Clinton.

Thank God for that pearl of wisdom!

Guest 03-24-2015 12:46 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1033906)
Final Fundraising Figure: Obama's $750M - ABC News


In 2008 in the 21 months leading up to the election, Barack Obama raised $750,000. And what is this supposed to signify? Is $750,000 in 21 months supposed to be a big deal?

More people contributed to his election than any other candidate in history. And what is this supposed to signify? I would also have to see the data from where that conclusion was deduced.

Trust me, Martin O'Malley is no Barack Obama. At best, he is hoping for a cabinet position with future President Hilary Clinton. That statement is obviously a very biased personal conclusion. Why would any rising younger generation candidate even think about being on her slate. Why would he risk his political future playing second fiddle in an administration led by a candidate with as many problems and issues as she does. Not one with a useable half a brain anyway.

See my reaction to your opinion above in red.

Guest 03-24-2015 01:50 PM

It all means he is a very popular president. Get over it. You got your butt kicked..... Twice. And the way your koch brothers fed, homegrown terrorist organization, tea party candidates act, it will be four times in a row. You have no chance as long as you stay out there in right field establishing absolutely no commonalities with middle America!


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