Religious Freedom Law
 

Pence defends religious freedom law: 'Absolutely not' a mistake | MSNBC



Indiana's Governor Mike Pence repeatedly dodged questions about whether his recently signed Religious Freedom Law would discriminate against gays and lesbians on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopolus. He was asked several times a yes or no question, and each time wiggled out of answering by giving the history of the law or other total BS.

Pence was forced to try to defend this abhorrent law after many businesses, corporations, sports teams and other states decried the law as being discriminatory; including the NCAA, the NBA, the NFL, Apple, Angie's List, the Chamber of Commerce, and many others.

The new law is projected to cost Indiana tens of millions of dollars as corporations, large and small, are threatening to pull out of the state, canceling conventions, and not doing business there.

This law allows anyone, based on their religious beliefs, to refuse service to anyone. Even former Gov Jan Brewer, R-AZ, had the good sense to veto a similar bill a few years ago or risk losing the super bowl. And now Arkansas is poised to pass a similar bill (not that AR will ever host the super bowl).

The best way to fight these discriminatory practices are what's being done now...hit them in the pocketbook.

Laws like that are one step closer to Sharia Law in this country that used to believe in religious freedom. Very sad and antiquated. Too many law makers are choosing to put their oun personal beliefs above that of their constituents.

Before believing everything you hear, you might want to take a look at the other side of this story -

Explaining Indiana's Religious Freedom Law

I did read that very carfully thank you. It's showing favortism to a religious belief at the expence of other Americans. Try to remember, this is America, with a constitution that gave ALL Americans religious freedom, not just christion beliefs. :wave:

'Shameless': Indiana Gov. Defends Controversial Religious Freedom Law - NBC News


Governor Mike Pence said he would not add sexual orientation to a protected class in state civil rights cases, making very clear which group of people this law is discriminating against.

Thank You Governor Pence
 

I want to thank Governor Pence for his political courage. Clearly this law is a rebuke to Obama's attempts to over reach to try and prevent people's rights to their religious practices. All religions are equally protected and recognized

Religions except of Muslims embraced gay people but do not embrace their acts and rightly so

The gay community levels these specious claims of discrimination because they believe a secular country is more conducive to their way of life and hence will do anything to remove religion from the equation.

Opponents criticize that Pence signing of this law was out of the public's view but it was not.

However Obamacare was passed without one Republican vote and no one even reading what was in it. he has conducted his fiats in secret including Berdahls release and the Iran nuclear deal .

Rule of Law will prevail and opponents need to stop their promulgating misinformation.


Personal Best Regards:

Conservatives Admit The Truth On Indiana 'Religious Liberty' Bill | ThinkProgress


Indiana legislators openly admit that this bill was designed to discriminate against the LGBT community. They say 'you may be able to marry in IN, but we will make sure you are discriminated against'.

It will be a big price to pay to lose the NCAA and others just so some Christian woman doesn't have to bake a wedding cake for two men.

Other states, including Michigan, decided these laws were just too risky, but not Indiana. Don't come around moaning and groaning when you lose millions of dollars in lost revenue.

I read the article that you posted (also noticed the questionable source) - what you state above is bs. I do not see that anywhere in the article and you even go so far as to put it in quotes! Just goes to show how far some people will go to twist the facts.

What religion is for this to be legal?
 

Muslim and Christians are on the same page when it comes to this.

And you would be incorrect.

Which religion would not go to Indiana?

What religion in America would not go to Indiana?

Here is the exact quote from the article - "But now lawmakers want to make sure that even if same-sex couples can marry, they can still be discriminated against." - last sentence in the next to last paragraph.

Thank you - you just verified my point!

I find it interesting that we have commenters podting here saying how bad Indiana is for passing this law while residing in a State the has the EXACT same law! Where is the protest in Florida? There is a federal law that is the same. Where is the protest? If people read the and understand they would understand the law does not give the right to discriminate. It protects individual and business from being forced by the government to violaye their religious beliefs. Anyone remember the Hobby Lobby case? Stop believing what is being spoon fed to you by the liberal media and there would not be this protest.

Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley rail against Indiana law | MSNBC


Two more high profile athletes come out against this Indiana law. NBA legends Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller railed against the law saying they are not political people, but this despicable law caused them to speak out.

It's clear that by referencing Sharia law in the manner you do that you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about but simply parroting something you heard ... probably on MSNBC

OK enough reasoning to take note......must not be too serious though Hollywood has not come forth yet.

The Big Lie The Media Tells About Indiana's New 'Religious Freedom' Law | ThinkProgress


The Indiana law differs substantially from the federal RFRA law signed by President Clinton and all other laws in other states. The Indiana law contains provisions that would rule in disputes between private citizens.

And in some states there are still laws on the books for illegally tying up your horse in front of a bank.

Ah that was yesterday's news pump.

This is factually incorrect. ALL of the other RFRA's (both the Federal one and ALL of the other state ones) are different from the Indiana law in one VERY important area. ALL of the previous RFRA's were specially written to be between individuals and government. The Indiana law contains a provision for the law to be applied between individuals.

The Indiana law differs substantially from the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, signed by President Clinton in 1993, and all other state RFRAs.

"There are several important differences in the Indiana bill but the most striking is Section 9. Under that section, a “person” (which under the law includes not only an individual but also any organization, partnership, LLC, corporation, company, firm, church, religious society, or other entity) whose “exercise of religion has been substantially burdened, or is likely to be substantially burdened” can use the law as “a claim or defense… regardless of whether the state or any other governmental entity is a party to the proceeding.”

Every other Religious Freedom Restoration Act applies to disputes between a person or entity and a government. Indiana’s is the only law that explicitly applies to disputes between private citizens. This means it could be used as a cudgel by corporations to justify discrimination against individuals that might otherwise be protected under law. Indiana trial lawyer Matt Anderson, discussing this difference, writes that the Indiana law is “more broadly written than its federal and state predecessors” and opens up “the path of least resistance among its species to have a court adjudicate it in a manner that could ultimately be used to discriminate…” "


Source for above quote:

The Big Lie The Media Tells About Indiana's New 'Religious Freedom' Law | ThinkProgress

AFSCME, The American Federations of State, County, and Municipal Employees is pulling its women's convention scheduled for next fall out of Indiana because of this new law. The union president said the 1.6 million members of AFSCME will not contribute to any state that passes such legislation.










AFSCME Relocating Conference Out Of 'Disgust' Of Religious Liberty Law

ndiana should play its cards right and encourage the influx of conservative businesses thru various incentives ... in a few years the state would become a growth and success story

In other words a "safe haven" for bigots.

Would you mind sharing with us how you conclude the above.
The same logic that concludes an ice cream treat is a turd sandwich!
No words any longer are able to describe your interpretive process.......that being a compliment by the way.

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Who exactly is going to buy your "conservative" products? I'm sure there won't be any women, African Americans, Asians, Hispanics, gays, lesbians, or any other minority(other than tea party bigots) that will spend a dime there. I believe your "conservative businesses" will make the new law a moot point. You see greed will win out. It always does with YOUR KIND!

Hey Chicken Little...19 states have similar laws and they're doing just fine! Cheer up! You're such an economic buzz-kill.

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See post #21 for the difference in the state laws in 19 other states compared to the law in Indiana.

Seriously, try to keep up here!

I saw it and am completely and totally underwhelmed with the insignificance of it. Whoa... a baker refuses to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding. Seriously, that's what's got your panties in a wad? A gay wedding cake?

Here's a suggestion for the homosexual couple: GO TO ANOTHER BAKERY! You know, one of the 10,000 others in town... grocery stores, bakeries, Costco, Sam's club, private citizens...

If the baker is super religious and his religion says no cakes for homosexuals, I don't see how it's fair to force the little baker guy to bake a cake he doesn't want to bake. It's not like there aren't a ton of other options here.

I'd like to thank the governor of Conn. Today he banned state sponsored travel to the bigoted state of Indiana. I love it when these idiots ( gov of Indianna) make national attention, then real changes can happen, outside the gerrymandered fiefdoms created by these same BIGOTS!

How does a religious freedom law equate with bigotry? Are the critics saying that all muslims discriminate against Christians? Or, that black Christians discriminate against white ones? Based on the brilliant commentary of posts, should I conclude that anyone who disagrees with avant-garde social thought, i.e. homosexuality is normal, all whites are racists, is a bigot?

Where does it stop? Who else can they exclude? The laws in this country are quite clear, and have been settled for decades. Once a person opens a business to the public, that person must serve the entire public. He/she doesn't get to decide who they will serve and who to exclude.

If the little baker guy doesn't want to bake a cake for homosexuals or lesbians, maybe he should find another line of work.

Mike Pence's name has been thrown around as presidentual candidate, kiss that good-by. This knuckle dragger thinking is why Obama won a second term and Hilary will win her 1st. But let's keep cheering Ted Cruz on.

I think you don't understand the law. The law precisely allows our little baker to not be forced to bake a cake for a homosexual couple if it's against his religious beliefs. So NO, Mr. Baker does NOT have to serve the "entire public" and he doesn't need to find another line of work. The homosexual couple need to find another baker!

The idea of government compelling even one poor conservative baker to bake a cake is too much. But they're fine with denying all gay people the right to marry.

Yes but this country is still so unfair, discriminatory and just plain rotten it makes me want to burst into tears. If you can believe it, I am still not allowed to marry my dog or cat. When is someone going to finally address this issue??

Ah yes, thanks first for the obligatory leftie name calling … no post would be complete without it.

I would term it a haven for people of faith who seek relief from having their beliefs invalidated by the gay mafia who continue to move the bar on what’s normal and what’s not, and then use the strong arm of the state to shove it down their throats, metaphorically speaking.

This fake issue is simply a continuation of the Left’s continual assault on religion, most specifically of the Judeo-Christian variety. The basic law was signed by Bill Clinton and supported by Obama as a state senator in the mid 90s. But, it’s no longer PC, hence must be taken out by the compliant media leviathan with parroting of the type you so eloquently exemplify

Has the public's attitude toward same-sex marriage changed since the 1990's? You bet it has. How many states allowed same-sex marriage in the 1990's? Zero. Massachusetts was the first state under then Gov Mitt Romney back in 2006.

Gov Mike Pence abhors discrimination. How then can he be against same-sex marriage?

I admit I probably don't understand exactly how this law was intended to work but still believe the knuckle dragging contingency in alive and very well in the Republican party. They will throw away another election that should be a chip shot as they did in 2012. Romney should be president today but driven to hard to right by this group. Go Ted Cruz