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Permit not needing in Sumter. County
We needed a tree cut down everyone was saying that we needed a permit. Don't need a permit in Sumter County.
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It is a Villages requirement. You cannot cut down a tree greater than 4 inches in diameter without their approval.
It is in your declarations. Mine is in 2.16 Z |
We just had Massey come over and they said NO permit in Sumter County
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But you still need permission from the ARC of The Villages. Check with Community Standards. They enforce the deed restrictions.
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Correct, Massy is wrong
two governing bodies, U can't assume if one is silent about something it's ok. both need to be silent read your C&R |
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You do not need a permit to cut down a Palm Tree. Removal is not regulated by the ARC or any other agency. You do need permission to remove oaks and other non-palms in the Villages. According to a previous thread from Gerry, they are removing a palm
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...t-down-150259/ http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...dards/faq.aspx Do I need ARC approval to remove a tree? Yes. No canopy tree with a trunk four (4) inches or more in diameter shall be removed or effectively removed through excessive injury without first obtaining permission from the ARC. When I chose to remove palms I was told by ARC that palms were not included in the trees requiring a permit. |
I just asked the question about palm tree removal. Here is the reply I received. (PM if you're interested in the specific contact information.)...
If the palm tree is greater than 4 inches in diameter you would need to complete the attached architectural application form for review by the Architectural Review Committee. If you have any questions or need additional information, please feel free to contact me. XXXXX XXXXX Administrative Coordinator Community Standards Department |
Palm trees are not trees, they are type of grass. I think.
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Criminitly. I had the same problem with Community Standards when I had a question -- one person told me yes and the next person said no.
I wouldn't think a palm is considered to be a "canopy tree," but get your answer from them in writing in case they ever come after you! |
I agree with the previous post, there is not cost, and you are covered. I had a similar experience when I called about doing some landscaping, initially got 2 different answers. Went to the office with a plot plan, as sketch, and a photo of what I was doing. Everything was approved on the spot. I did complain about the initial different answers.
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County = permit
Villages ARC = permission |
I've been trying to copy the ARC rules, but with no luck... Some here it goes... For my district 2 the rule states you must obtian permision from the ARC to remove a tree with a trunk greater than 4 inches. The next sentence states if it is a canopy tree it must be checked by an arborist. To me these are two different situations. You still need to obtain approval for removal of a palm. It just does not need to be checked by an arborist. My two cents....
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Just wondering.... if you cut down a 5" tree on your own property what could the ARC do? ( cut down without permission that is)
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And the answer is-------- Don't do it without permission. They do have remedies and they are enforceable
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Oh I see....thanks Indy.
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Then practice practice practice the story IN CASE anyone cares. For example... We got home after dark from golf and did not even notice until the next day, our tree was missing!! We were shocked, why would anyone steal a tree? We love the shade, we cannot believe someone would do this.. you get the drift... Based on past stories (Lake Miona), worst case they will pay to replace it for you... cutting it down a second time will be more difficult :D |
I know someone who was cutting down a large Oak tree and someone complained to ARC. He had to restore the site with a similar sized tree. Was an expensive oversight.
We had a large palm cut down and was told by ARC permission was not necessary. Only Oaks are under the 4" rule. |
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ARC told us that only the Oaks are under the 4" rule. It has nothing to do with the county just TV's rules.
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Golf Management cut down 25 oaks, 8" to 19" behind our house. They didn't need permission.
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2.18 No arbor, trellis, gazebo, pergola (or similar item), awning, fence, barrier, wall or structure of any kind or nature shall be placed on the property without prior written approval of the Developer. Permission must be secured from the Developer prior to the planting or removal of any trees or other shrubs which may affect the rights of adjacent property owners. No tree with a trunk four (4) inches or more in diameter shall be removed or effectively removed through excessive injury without first obtaining permission from the Developer. |
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I thought it was part of TV. Anyway regarding Sumter permits some major things have changed, at least one anyway.. Relatively new village houses built with adjoining back property to another house each always had to have a minimum of 10 ft land with no construction. Not sure how or why but TV now lets sumter county give building permits so only six feet is required. Have been watching the four foot retrofit additions added to existing properties. So just wondering if TV gave this requirement up maybe the four inch diameter trees are under sumter control now too. |
Permit not needing in Sumter. County
County government setback restrictions are usually a function of zoning and easement dedications. It would likely not be possible to encroach on these limits with only an agreement of some sort between the county and the VCDD. Zoning and easement restrictions are very specific and binding and from my experience cannot be eased without a variance from the Board of County Commissioners...not usually a slam-dunk process.
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After a pleasant chat with staff in the Sumter County Zoning Office, here's what I discovered: 1) Setbacks shown on TV house plans (like we received at closing) shown as 5' side lot line and 10' back lot line are The Villages desired setbacks 2) Sumter County has 0' (zero foot) lot line setbacks on all sides and 10' min. between structures setbacks (This is important when you may not be the first person in - i.e., back yard neighbor has already built a birdcage) 3) Since Villages ARC has to bless all building plans, it is up to that group to allow an owner to go beyond their "desired" 10' back lot setback (see point #1) Thus, if you are seeing build-outs/add-on's that are going beyond 10' from the lot line (6' in your observed cases), that action was approved by the ARC only, so long as the distance between structures remained at least 10'. If, however, someone wanted/desired to add a structure closer than 10' from the lot line, AND closer than 10' from the neighboring structure, then they would need ARC approval and a variance from Sumter County. Hope that helps clarify and understand what's going on a little better. It's also why the Sumter County person I spoke with referred to is as the "First one in wins" principle!! Ciao! gh |
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In answer to Challenger's question, we called Villages' Community Standards while the cutting was going on; they immediately came out and looked at the trees being cut and sympathized but said it wasn't their jurisdiction, since the cutting was on a developer-owned golf course. I then called Golf Management who said they ordered the trees cut so the remaining trees would have a chance to "flourish."
We wrote a letter of protest to the developer, including photos of the stumps, and received a letter back from his representative thanking us for our concern in keeping The Villages beautiful. That was the end of it as far as I know. I did not know until this thread that Sumter Co. was supposed to be involved in tree removal so I didn't ask Golf Management if they had a permit from the County. |
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I'm reading a lot of conflicting information and much that appears to leave room for interpretation. I would suggest, if you have a situation regarding setbacks, tree-removals, etc., contact the County, the District, and anybody else that may be involved to get the answers that apply to your specific situation. Be certain before you proceed. Mistakes can be expensive.
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We agree
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Timely conversation for us as we have been considering having some large palms removed. I called Community Standards this morning, and was told that if the palms were greater than 4 in in diameter, I needed to complete an ARF for approval. They did not ask what county I lived in.
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