Obama for transgenders?
 

Obama just came out and said he backs a ban on conversion therapy to straighten out gay or transgender youths. Is this not a parent's right to get a psychiatrist to put their own children back to being normal kids instead of being perverted?

Big Government is going too far into family life that is dealt with parents knowing what is best. Is Obama trying to turn our youths into a society of gay and transgenders with legislating this kind of perversion as well as what television programs on the same perversions are being televised?

Thank your for your honest posting describing children born as gay or transgender as being perverted and not normal. As it is extremely likely that you believe you are a sincere Christian, how do you reconcile your belief that we are ALL created in God's image which your certainty that children who do not conform to your sexuality are also not created in God's image and are instead perverted and need fixing?

How far does your belief that parents know what is best extend? Should they be allowed to pray the evil away, beat the evil away, burn the evil away? Do you know that cancer is the Devil's test of one's faith?

If converting a perverted gay citizen back to straightness can be accomplished by a psychiatrist as you apparently believe is both possible and ethical, do you have the courage to tell me what it would take for a psychiatrist to convert you from being straight to being gay, or from being concordant in your self identity and your genitals to looking in your pants and instead feeling you had the completely wrong body parts for what your brain knew belonged there. Obama must be the most powerful person every created in God's image if he can " turn our youths into a society of gay and transgenders with legislating this kind of perversion" I look forward to reading the new law which you see coming which will force our youths to be gay and transgenders.

Done yet?
Now how about a few key strokes about what you believe instead of a half page critique of YOUR take on the what the OP believes.
Opinions, recall everybody has one and in entitled to one. Folks are allowed and entitled to say what they think. As the opposition is too. So why do we always have to endure the onging taking to task of a post if different from yours or anybody elses?

Taking a post to task is fair game here. It's hard to cry foul on this forum.

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And now the children are defying the wisdom of the Church and supporting non-discrimination. The end-days are surely near

Not done yet. If you can't tell what my beliefs are from reading post #2 then you have poor reading skills. I suggest

How to Improve Your Reading Skills: 14 Steps - wikiHow

Maybe he is . One just never knows

Obama Seeks Ban On 'Conversion' Therapy For Sexual Orientation - The National Memo


The Obama administration not only came out against conversion therapy, they hammered it.

How :censored: rude can one get?

So we are to read your personal criticism of another post and instead of answering the question it gets flipped back that we should be able to conclude from your post what you believe. So very unfunny!

All you had to do was answer the question. We certainly could reach a conclusion by simply READING your criticisms and name calling and I am sure you might not like it.

Well said, yet I fear your correct observation falls on many deaf ears. 2015 an still we have such backward thinking folks amount us. To think you can convert gay to straight is sad. I wonder if they beers rand the pain they inflict on others with such backward archaic thinking. Hopefully this rediulous belief will stop with the the passing of the Baby Boomer Generation.

I am so proud of kids that stand up against the predudices of the church for what is right for all Gods Children....."
:BigApplause:

Here We Go Again
 

Here we go again the immediate reaction from the liberal side is you must be homophobic and a gay hater. Well perhaps there are some of us who view this topic with more objectivity and not personal.

First Christianity preaches hate the sin love the sinner. Secondly the Freedom Restoration Religious Act was not written to deny services to gays but to reinforce an individual rights to practice their religion.

But let's see how all of this came about. In the early 80's psychiatrist all of a sudden removed homosexuality from the DSM. I believe it was a political move. Why ,as an example, ask yourself while homosexuality was removed from the DSM a foot fetish (men who love looking at a woman's foot) is a disorder. Especially since many women focus on a man's hand or calfs, etc At least their attract to the opposite sex as nature intended.

In November 1987 Marshall Kirk and Erastes Pill wrote an essay entitled "The Overhaul of Straight America which eventually became a book.

Their instructions were clear and I'll summarize to save space...it was to portray as normal and natural the gay lifestyle. If you notice for a number of years gays have been appearing in more TV shows, movies etc Kirk & Pill's plan. The goal was to make it very socially acceptable and thus normalize it. Young minds are malleable and naive and this gay agenda purposefully and strategically planted has been successful at least for the younger set

I certainly cannot identify with the gay lifestyle and believe it is a mistake of nature like any malady. Because of this I understand the need to ensure that this segment of society not be treated unfairly. However we have moved from a discrimination issue to an alternative lifestyle to a preferred lifestyle.

The attack on the Definition of Marriage by the gay community was not so they could have the right to marry and have legal rights resulting from those unions. all that could and has been legally handled.

The real reason gays want the definition of marriage changed is because it affords their lifestyle legitmacy (ie see our lifestyle is normal)

The problem with a breach of the definition of marriage as being between one man and one woman is that it is bringing perverts out of the woodwork making claims for the legal right for incest, man-boy relations, bigamy etc.

As to Obama's objection like all liberal movements its one sided.

He does not want parents etc to attempts such conversions but he supports schools providing indoctrination of GLBT studies, etc . In other words let's promote homosexuality so we can draw in more troubled and confused kids and get them into the gay lifestyle ....................

Live and let live so please don't label me because I happen to believe that a normal lifestyle means one man one woman in a union to procreate forming the basis for a civilized society that is the bedrock o this nation


Personal Best Regards:

WOW, Sir with the utmost respect, I am apauled at your understanding of human rights and the Christion Faith. Please, go to see your spiritual leader/advisor for counseling. You are so far off the accepted normal, it brings tears to my eyes. I love all man, but I must say, I have reason to fear you sir.

Let me say, that those that post in favor of gay rights, are at the minimum, what I understand as God like. Those that have a problem with gay, gay marriage, are at the least scary and seem to have emotional issues.

If straight people are so against gay people, then why do they keep having gay babies?

Excellent post and well stated ... You've nailed it

You could make the same comment about any genetic malady ... but you knew that

LOL. Well said. Give me a gay neighbor, give me a minority neighbor, give me a
Muslim extremist, but please spare me the pain and embarrassment of an old White FOX rasist neighbor.

Only those who worship in the Church of Holy Liberalism need to fear this person's incisive thoughts and analysis ... because it's true

I read this twice, and for the lack of marijuana or, LSD, that I do not believe in, you are too weird for me.

It's difficult to understand how a gay or lesbian marriage effects a heterosexual marriage. If you don't believe in same-sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex, but don't infringe on another person's civil rights.

Great post and it portrays you for the complete idiot you are :)

Your Muslim extremist neighbor gets to cut off your head or blow you up ... and you're peachy keen with it. Incredible but no doubt accurate because, if nothing else, you get to reduce your carbon footprint?

I think those offended by same sex mirage, think it is an obomination of the teaching of God. Sad, but many racists and homophobes misunderstands the bible and Gods intent. Love is the key. Heterosexual marrage is bad if no love is present. Gay marriage is wonderful if love is there.

What you say in your second statement above is correct. But, here is the problem. The CIVIL rights of homosexuals has not been the issue, as civil unions have been allowed for some time. The problem erupted when there was an insistence that they be allowed to be married in churches and in the eyes of God. To those of us of faith, who perceive marriage as a holy sacrament, and based on biblical scripture, as between a man and a woman (note the Bible speaks in terms of husbands and wives), it then becomes an abomination from that perspective. To me, it does not matter whether I view homosexuality as right or wrong - just like anyone else they are Americans and deserve the same respect and civil rights as any citizen of this country. On that we can agree. I just don't understand the push to desecrate other people's religious beliefs when they already had the rights of every other married couple, with the recent additions of healthcare benefits for partners, adoption, etc.

As far as your first statement above, the concern is that the effects can be far reaching. In other words, what's next? Who else will take claim to marriage rights and how much further will it dilute the sanctity of the biblical marriage covenant? IMHO, it is the beginning of a moral free fall.

I can't help but wonder what bible you are reading and how you seem to know so well the intent of God. As a person of faith, I am one of those of whom you speak, but I am in no way a homophobe, and where racist factors in doesn't even make any sense! I come from a very mixed family - bi-racial cousins, gay cousins, all mixed in with the rest of us. I am not phobic regarding ANY of them and love them all. But I also believe what I believe because of my faith - it in no way makes me a hater of any man or woman regardless of race, orientation, religion, or whatever. In fact, quite the opposite.

That's because you did not understand my point, nor have you likely ever considered it ... to wit, political liberalism is essentially a secular religion.

"The Church of Holy Liberalism" has its teachings and belief systems, high priests, heresies and a lot of other defining characteristics. At some point I plan to start a thread on this topic but for now, that will have to do.

At least we agree on not using marijuana or LSD ... progress of sorts.

What is moral? Who determines what is or is not Moral? I feel sermon on the mount is moral. I feel FOX network is immoral. I have witnessed the most perverted immoral marages between a man and a women. I have also witnessed the most loving wonderful marriages between two women and also between two men as the most honorable loving relationships in my long life.

I love you brother, but I do not understand you. That may be a first step.

Ahhh......thank you! I think you may have answered my question/concern in the post previous to yours even though it wasn't directed at you obviously. :smiley:

That is a great answer and as you said, often times a good first step. A little more understanding and a little less flame throwing on this forum would probably go a long way.

And what will your reaction be if the Supreme Court rules later this spring in favor of same-sex marriage in all states? Thirty-seven states already have made same-sex marriage legal, but the highest court's ruling would include all 50 states.

Not sure what you are asking here......my reaction? What would change? Just because society says that something is right that I believe not to be, are you asking if I will change my mind? If so, the answer would be an emphatic "no". The bible I go by tells me that I am in this world but not of it. It also says that in many ways I will be hated by it - so be it - as long as my response is not to hate back, I'm good with that.

Going from the Sermon on the Mount to Fox News on your personal sliding scale of morality ...

I think that is a bit unhinged actually. ... in fact a lot unhinged.

Thank you! I was struggling with how to answer that post, but I think you did it for me. :thumbup:

The term gay marriage is an oxymoron. Civil unions, equal protection, non-discrimination ... no one is opposed to that.

But rewriting the definition of marriage that has permeated civilization for thousands of years, and opening the doors to the inevitable perversions that "progressives" will eventually insist on (polyamory, polygamy, pedophilia, bestiality etc) is foolish and destructive to society.

This should not even be a controversial topic.

Wow, talk about a homophobe! :22yikes:

Personal best regards.

Wow..... you are all living in the dark ages. Sexual preference is genetic.... not a choice. Start reading scientific facts and not mythological nonsense from religious texts. Of course Obama is against it.... any logical thinking sane person would be. This is what leads to categorizing and prejudice.

Not homophobic at all ... just a statement of reality when it comes to what's best for society overall.

I'm sorry but your analysis and concerns are completely contrary to the gay rights movements goals. Marriage is not a civil union. There are specific laws both Federal and state which clearly differentiate the benefits of marriage vs a civil union. Married people can file a joint tax return, civil union cannot. Married people can inherit without tax or probate, civil union cannot. Married can have pensions, hospital visits, protection of privileged communications etc etc. What the gay rights movement has been fighting to achieve for decades it that all the civil rights afforded to married couples apply fully to married gay couples. Not a single gay rights organization has ever insisted that a religious ceremony must be made available although they have wished it would be and many denominations that read the same holy book you do have agreed that they will perform those ceremonies. Marriage is a legal contract. A religious marriage that does not include a legal contract (a government issued marriage license signed and returned to the state) is just a religious service. Your religion is not under attack. Your attempt to force your religion's definition of a proper legal contract is under attack as it denies equal protection to gay persons.

Your errant belief that the rights of gay persons to adopt is established shows your lack of awareness of the thrust of the GOP to thwart gay adoption. Today
Florida House Approves Bill To Let Adoption Agencies Refuse Gay Parents

There is no legal recognition of civil unions by the state of Florida. The courts have ruled that Florida must allow gay marriage just this year. Prior to that Florida did not, and our GOP leaders fought every attempt to allow either civil unions or marriage. Some democratic controlled local governments had establish domestic partnership regulations but they did not have any force on the state courts.