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Guest 04-09-2015 08:58 AM

Clinton's lead begins to wilt?
 
Really? Is this a surprise? it should not be; nothing more than 2008 happening all over again? We shall see. We all know the dig up the past machine on her has been going strong and just waiting for her to declare she is running and then watch the past before your eyes;

2016 Presidential Swing State Polls Poll - April 9, 2015 - Paul Blooms As Clinton Wilts I | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Guest 04-09-2015 01:19 PM

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/322...47201b82fe.pdf


Things are looking great for Rand Paul. The Monmouth University poll released just this week of likely republican voters has him almost catching up with Donald Trump. Trump is at 7%, Paul is at 6%.

Guest 04-09-2015 02:48 PM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/ra...LoK#.bnLm4aW4G


Nothing says "I'm a supporter of liberty" like threatening to sue the people who advertise against you on day two of your campaign.

Guest 04-09-2015 03:03 PM

I believe there is a growing feeling that she has acted in a fundamentally dishonest manner on multiple occasions. Democrats, by and large, don't care and Republicans will not vote for her. Independents will move away as more evidence comes out. She carries an enormous amount of baggage.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1042591)
Really? Is this a surprise? it should not be; nothing more than 2008 happening all over again? We shall see. We all know the dig up the past machine on her has been going strong and just waiting for her to declare she is running and then watch the past before your eyes;

2016 Presidential Swing State Polls Poll - April 9, 2015 - Paul Blooms As Clinton Wilts I | Quinnipiac University Connecticut


Guest 04-09-2015 06:07 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1042755)
I believe there is a growing feeling that she has acted in a fundamentally dishonest manner on multiple occasions. Democrats, by and large, don't care and Republicans will not vote for her. Independents will move away as more evidence comes out. She carries an enormous amount of baggage.

The reason there is a growing feeling is there's a growing body of increasingly obvious evidence she is fundamentally dishonest-- even to the liberal deniers.

Guest 04-09-2015 06:38 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1042852)
The reason there is a growing feeling is there's a growing body of increasingly obvious evidence she is fundamentally dishonest-- even to the liberal deniers.

Accurate and concise.
:BigApplause:

Guest 04-09-2015 08:48 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1042755)
I believe there is a growing feeling that she has acted in a fundamentally dishonest manner on multiple occasions. Democrats, by and large, don't care and Republicans will not vote for her. Independents will move away as more evidence comes out. She carries an enormous amount of baggage.

Well, you had better get used to Mrs. Clinton as YOUR President. :BigApplause:

The only ones who will not vote for her are the Fox News viewers and statistics show their ilk are dying off. A new day for America has risen and progressive liberalism is it's name.

Fox News viewers can slink back into their caves and just quietly die off.

Guest 04-09-2015 09:01 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1042912)
Well, you had better get used to Mrs. Clinton as YOUR President. :BigApplause:

The only ones who will not vote for her are the Fox News viewers and statistics show their ilk are dying off. A new day for America has risen and progressive liberalism is it's name.

Fox News viewers can slink back into their caves and just quietly die off.

You seem to have a common theme in many of your posts ... about Fox New viewers, or "old white men" or some combination of that dying off. You've said it multiple times ... dying off etc. It's offensive and, in addition, twisted.

It also puts you in the sick puppy category. We can have a lot of give and take on this board, but you should honestly reconsider some of your phraseology when making your points.

Guest 04-09-2015 10:36 PM

She did not make the cut last time and with all the additional scandals she certainly will not make it to the convention.
Also don't rule out a better dem candidate.

Guest 04-10-2015 12:55 PM

Looks like Sunday is announcement day. Let the games begin.

Guest 04-10-2015 01:19 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1042921)
You seem to have a common theme in many of your posts ... about Fox New viewers, or "old white men" or some combination of that dying off. You've said it multiple times ... dying off etc. It's offensive and, in addition, twisted.

It also puts you in the sick puppy category. We can have a lot of give and take on this board, but you should honestly reconsider some of your phraseology when making your points.

It only makes sense that Fox News viewers are dying off since their average is 78.

Guest 04-10-2015 01:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1043205)
It only makes sense that Fox News viewers are dying off since their average is 78.

Where do you get these erroneous stats that you post? Or is it just wishful thinking on your part?

Guest 04-10-2015 02:12 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1043229)
Where do you get these erroneous stats that you post? Or is it just wishful thinking on your part?

In the dem playbook if it is not listed then just make something up.

Guest 04-10-2015 03:17 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1043229)
Where do you get these erroneous stats that you post? Or is it just wishful thinking on your part?

The original poster, as mentioned earlier, is a sick puppy and enjoys the prospect of the death of her opponents ... by that definition she would be an excellent prospect for Islam ... but I digress

Guest 04-10-2015 09:39 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1042912)
Well, you had better get used to Mrs. Clinton as YOUR President. :BigApplause:

The only ones who will not vote for her are the Fox News viewers and statistics show their ilk are dying off. A new day for America has risen and progressive liberalism is it's name.

Fox News viewers can slink back into their caves and just quietly die off.

:1rotfl:

"But in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary campaign, her championship of women did not translate into automatic support by women for her candidacy. Clinton barely won 50 percent of the women's vote in the Democratic primary fight against Barack Obama. She also did not receive unanimous support among women elected leaders, with several of her female Senate colleagues, such as Amy Klobuchar and Claire McCaskill, endorsing Obama.

Polling showed a generational divide where Hillary captured more older women voters while Obama captured the younger generation. Women in the middle split between the two. The younger woman voter didn't feel a sense of obligation to vote for the first "one of their own," but instead felt more passion for Obama's message of hope and his vision for the future."


:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


Hillary Clinton Can't Count on the Women's Vote in 2016 - US News

Guest 04-10-2015 09:40 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1042912)
Well, you had better get used to Mrs. Clinton as YOUR President. :BigApplause:

The only ones who will not vote for her are the Fox News viewers and statistics show their ilk are dying off. A new day for America has risen and progressive liberalism is it's name.

Fox News viewers can slink back into their caves and just quietly die off.

:1rotfl:

"But in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary campaign, her championship of women did not translate into automatic support by women for her candidacy. Clinton barely won 50 percent of the women's vote in the Democratic primary fight against Barack Obama. She also did not receive unanimous support among women elected leaders, with several of her female Senate colleagues, such as Amy Klobuchar and Claire McCaskill, endorsing Obama.

Polling showed a generational divide where Hillary captured more older women voters while Obama captured the younger generation. Women in the middle split between the two. The younger woman voter didn't feel a sense of obligation to vote for the first "one of their own," but instead felt more passion for Obama's message of hope and his vision for the future."


:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


Hillary Clinton Can't Count on the Women's Vote in 2016 - US News

Guest 04-10-2015 10:54 PM

[QUOTE=Guest;1043436]:1rotfl:

"But in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary campaign, her championship of women did not translate into automatic support by women for her candidacy. Clinton barely won 50 percent of the women's vote in the Democratic primary fight against Barack Obama. She also did not receive unanimous support among women elected leaders, with several of her female Senate colleagues, such as Amy Klobuchar and Claire McCaskill, endorsing Obama.

Polling showed a generational divide where Hillary captured more older women voters while Obama captured the younger generation. Women in the middle split between the two. The younger woman voter didn't feel a sense of obligation to vote for the first "one of their own," but instead felt more passion for Obama's message of hope and his vision for the future.QUOTE]

While this may be true, the women of this great country go for the Democratic candidates in far greater numbers than for the Republican candidate.

Even if Mrs. Clinton is not the Democrat Presidential candidate, women will vote for that candidate rather than for the Republican candidate.

So, basically, Democrats win with having the strongest voting base of thinking women, educated males, most young people, minorities, and the GLBT voters.

However, chances are that Mrs. Clinton will be the next President of the USA.

Guest 04-11-2015 06:09 AM

[quote=Guest;1043452]
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Posted by Guest (Post 1043436)
:1rotfl:

"But in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary campaign, her championship of women did not translate into automatic support by women for her candidacy. Clinton barely won 50 percent of the women's vote in the Democratic primary fight against Barack Obama. She also did not receive unanimous support among women elected leaders, with several of her female Senate colleagues, such as Amy Klobuchar and Claire McCaskill, endorsing Obama.

Polling showed a generational divide where Hillary captured more older women voters while Obama captured the younger generation. Women in the middle split between the two. The younger woman voter didn't feel a sense of obligation to vote for the first "one of their own," but instead felt more passion for Obama's message of hope and his vision for the future.QUOTE]

While this may be true, the women of this great country go for the Democratic candidates in far greater numbers than for the Republican candidate.

Even if Mrs. Clinton is not the Democrat Presidential candidate, women will vote for that candidate rather than for the Republican candidate.

So, basically, Democrats win with having the strongest voting base of thinking women, educated males, most young people, minorities, and the GLBT voters.

However, chances are that Mrs. Clinton will be the next President of the USA.

Now that is funny! Thanks for the morning chuckle!

Guest 04-11-2015 11:02 AM

[quote=Guest;1043491]
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Posted by Guest (Post 1043452)

Now that is funny! Thanks for the morning chuckle!

Obviously, with that inane comment, you fit perfectly into the ranks of the Republicans. I am going with the uneducated male category for you. Thanks for showing that the Democratic Party base is safe from you.

Guest 04-11-2015 11:40 AM

[quote=Guest;1043591]
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Posted by Guest (Post 1043491)

Obviously, with that inane comment, you fit perfectly into the ranks of the Republicans. I am going with the uneducated male category for you. Thanks for showing that the Democratic Party base is safe from you.

I think you have a problem with sentence construction when trying to insult someone, and thus often fall short when trying to express yourself.

Guest 04-11-2015 12:30 PM

I believe that many voters do not take for gospel what one polls say, one political pundit, political analyst etc. In that they digest what was said and what actions candidates have taken past, present and projected into the future to arrive at their own conclusions. If Fox News which I watch suggested XYZ candidate I may or may not agree.

I knew that I did not want Obama because his past and past associates and his lack of experience/expertise frightened the bejesus out of me.

I knew I did not want Hillary because she has shown a continue disdain for honesty integrity and people since her days in Arkansas

I made the same analysis with each of the Republicans and my choice had always been Mitt Romney because he is a man of humility, excellent bona fides honesty moral and had a desire to serve...vis a vis being served as is the character of both Hillary and Obama (elitist )

Given the Clinton Foundation scandal and the personal e-mail scandal and Benghazi waiting in the background its clear if Americans can't trust her then how can America and the rest of the world trust her now. I mean haven't we had enough of that from Obama.

I know that Rand Paul Jeb Bush Mike Huckabee Chris Christy, Rick Perry, Donald Trump Rick Santorium are not at the top of my list...at least as the facts present themselves at this time.

I cannot and will not vote for any Democrat for one primary reason because the world as we know it is coming apart and the Democratic Party is terrible at foreign policy and can never bring itself to do what is necessary to defend this country this is especially so because the leftist of the left wing of the Democratic Party has control

Obama is leaving a legacy of destruction, despair and strategic impossibilities in his wake especially in the Middle East and has exacerbated it all with Russia and Cuba

Obama laughed in the face of Mitt Romney following Romney's admonition concerning Russia in one presidential debate. Well we find that Obama whispered to Russia that he had more flexibility after the election and he found that his comments concerning Russia not being an existential threat wrong

And the coup d'eat Hillary's firm belief that a reset with Russia was a good thing

Simply stated my focus is going to be on the candidate that has the expertise and the intestinal fortitude to restore America's greatest among nations. Because contrary to liberals, while we are imperfect, claiming America as warmongers is disgraceful because we are a nation devoted to seeing democracy take seed in every country........


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Guest 04-11-2015 12:54 PM

For those of you who are interested in polls, it might be worth checking out Nate Silver's website, fivethirtyeight.com. Nate is a sports statistician who turned his attention to politics for the 2008 presidential race. He takes all the polls, weights them according to whether they tend to slant left or right, and arrives at his own conclusions. He called every state but one (Indiana) correctly in 2008, and called them all correctly in 2012. He and his team still do sports analysis as well.

Guest 04-11-2015 02:12 PM

I don't think even Obama, for all his faults, arrogance and narcism would have had the cahones to say something like, don't you want to someday see a black man president of the United States?

By now we have all heard her speech where she blows her own horn:

"...don't you someday want to see a woman president of the United States of America..."

The usual, self serving, front and center, forget all my transgressions, lies and decietful actions.....look at my big smile.....my bountiful warmth......my unending caring for the little people......who certainly must forgive me all as they realize by now I should be their president......

offmike.....do you think they bought it?

Guest 04-11-2015 02:41 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1043628)
I believe that many voters do not take for gospel what one polls say, one political pundit, political analyst etc. In that they digest what was said and what actions candidates have taken past, present and projected into the future to arrive at their own conclusions. If Fox News which I watch suggested XYZ candidate I may or may not agree.

I knew that I did not want Obama because his past and past associates and his lack of experience/expertise frightened the bejesus out of me.

I knew I did not want Hillary because she has shown a continue disdain for honesty integrity and people since her days in Arkansas

I made the same analysis with each of the Republicans and my choice had always been Mitt Romney because he is a man of humility, excellent bona fides honesty moral and had a desire to serve...vis a vis being served as is the character of both Hillary and Obama (elitist )

Given the Clinton Foundation scandal and the personal e-mail scandal and Benghazi waiting in the background its clear if Americans can't trust her then how can America and the rest of the world trust her now. I mean haven't we had enough of that from Obama.

I know that Rand Paul Jeb Bush Mike Huckabee Chris Christy, Rick Perry, Donald Trump Rick Santorium are not at the top of my lijtst...at least as the facts present themselves at this time.

I cannot and will not vote for any Democrat for one primary reason because the world as we know it is coming apart and the Democratic Party is terrible at foreign policy and can never bring itself to do what is necessary to defend this country this is especially so because the leftist of the left wing of the Democratic Party has control

Obama is leaving a legacy of destruction, despair and strategic impossibilities in his wake especially in the Middle East and has exacerbated it all with Russia and Cuba

Obama laughed in the face of Mitt Romney following Romney's admonition concerning Russia in one presidential debate. Well we find that Obama whispered to Russia that he had more flexibility after the election and he found that his comments concerning Russia not being an existential threat wrong

And the coup d'eat Hillary's firm belief that a reset with Russia was a good thing

Simply stated my focus is going to be on the candidate that has the expertise and the intestinal fortitude to restore America's greatest among nations. Because contrary to liberals, while we are imperfect, claiming America as warmongers is disgraceful because we are a nation devoted to seeing democracy.

In succint terms, why didn't you JUST say that you are going to vote for the Republican candidate - WHOEVER it will be? :popcorn:

Guest 04-11-2015 05:16 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1043658)
I don't think even Obama, for all his faults, arrogance and narcism would have had the cahones to say something like, don't you want to someday see a black man president of the United States?

By now we have all heard her speech where she blows her own horn:

"...don't you someday want to see a woman president of the United States of America..."

The usual, self serving, front and center, forget all my transgressions, lies and decietful actions.....look at my big smile.....my bountiful warmth......my unending caring for the little people......who certainly must forgive me all as they realize by now I should be their president......

offmike.....do you think they bought it?

I realize that many Dems will vote the ticket if Hillary is the nominee, just like many Republicans (like me) will vote the ticket when Walker or Cruz get the nod.

But, I think many thoughtful Dems still have to be a bit embarrassed by Hillary. I mean, some of the stuff she says and does is such a crock of obvious bs ... and she is absolutely motivated by the glory and power to herself. Any bloviating about the people is just that ... hot air and all but the credulous know that's there something rotten in Chappaqua.

I mean ... you have to be pretty dumb to fall for the story she is pushing.

Guest 04-11-2015 08:41 PM

Oh, how us progressives hope that The Canadian Anchor Baby gets the Presidential ballot.

That would make for even more jokes than Sara Palin.

Guest 04-11-2015 09:44 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1043780)
Oh, how us progressives hope that The Canadian Anchor Baby gets the Presidential ballot.

That would make for even more jokes than Sara Palin.

Like it or not, at least we tell you why we do not like your candidate, or not like what they stand for, or they just happen to be the opposing party and that is why we vote for the other guy.

All you seem able to do is make fun of, label, name call, belittle not only the opposing candidate but just as nasty beligererant toward anybody who does not roll over and accept your party.

Do they only allow you to throw sticks and stones and call names......school yard level?

Guest 04-12-2015 12:12 AM

I am all for a qualified Woman as President she does not meet the QUALIFIED in my statement.

Guest 04-12-2015 06:00 AM

And the "wilting" continues:

Oh Hill no! Clinton’s stale presidential plan wrong for nation | New York Post

It was best said in an eralier post a qualified woman could run for POTUS...so far there has yet to be a viable, qualified candidate.

At some point the DNC will have to spring into action. They certainly are not going to bet the WH on whether Clinton can turn the numbers around. They know that as soon as she announces that she is running, the gloves will come off and she can at best hope to not lose anymore support and stay even. That is not the likely outcome.

She is so yesterday's "tired looking" news that I am a bit surprised other candidates have not come forward yet.

Those who are betting that being a woman will carry her may find that to not be as true as they would like it to be.

Guest 04-12-2015 07:07 AM

If Ted Criuse becomes the GOP front runner, it will show how silly the right has became in heir selection process. I would vote for Hillary over TC.

Guest 04-12-2015 07:19 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1043863)
If Ted Criuse becomes the GOP front runner, it will show how silly the right has became in heir selection process. I would vote for Hillary over TC.

How does CRUZ show silliness?
Why would you vote for Hillary VS Cruz?

Personally to be beating out gums with more than 18 months to go is a waste of time. By this time next year it will be obvious who the real choices are.

Remember Clinton could not carry her own party to the nomination for 2008. When she started there was all the same jargon of heir apparent, she was the only candidate able to win. And then outta the back of the pack she was knocked out of dem first place by a virtually unkown candidate.

She will soon be running officially. Then the more she talks the easier it will become to determine she is way past her prime to be able to represent ANUBODY but Hillary!

She will get knocked out again this time. All we can hope for is that it happens sooner than later.

Guest 04-12-2015 07:46 AM

I mean no offense, but Ted Cruz?
The GOP has many qualified men and women, but to select the Green Eggs and Ham silly boy would prove to be a terrible mistake. He has shown time and time again to be a childish puppet to the off the charts hard right nuts. When the campaign gets into high gear, you will see a more centric Hillary. We republicans need a serious candadite to be competitive for 2016.

Guest 04-12-2015 07:51 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1043876)
I mean no offense, but Ted Cruz?
The GOP has many qualified men and women, but to select the Green Eggs and Ham silly boy would prove to be a terrible mistake. He has shown time and time again to be a childish puppet to the off the charts hard right nuts. When the campaign gets into high gear, you will see a more centric Hillary. We republicans need a serious candadite to be competitive for 2016.

Apparently that serious candidate would be Jeb Bush.

Guest 04-12-2015 08:14 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1043881)
Apparently that serious candidate would be Jeb Bush.

...and what country would THIS Bush have the USA invade - and have American soldiers killed for absolutely no reason - except for his own ego trip?

Guest 04-12-2015 12:06 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1043881)
Apparently that serious candidate would be Jeb Bush.

With over 18 months to go and he has not yet stated he will run, how do you reach this conclusion?

Mitt Romney also said he would not run. Will he?

18 months is too early to even have a hint of how things will play out.

Guest 04-12-2015 05:52 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1043780)
Oh, how us progressives hope that The Canadian Anchor Baby gets the Presidential ballot.

That would make for even more jokes than Sara Palin.

Canadian anchor baby? I didn't realize we had a lot of illegal aliens sneaking across the border from Canada so thanks for the heads up.

But regarding Cruz, are you referring to the same guy who

- was valedictorian of his high school class?
- graduated cum laude from Princeton
- won top speaker and US National Debate contest?
- graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School
- and the same guy who Alan Dershowitz described as "off the charts brilliant?

Guest 04-12-2015 05:56 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1044094)
Canadian anchor baby? I didn't realize we had a lot of illegal aliens sneaking across the border from Canada so thanks for the heads up.

But regarding Cruz, are you referring to the same guy who

- was valedictorian of his high school class?
- graduated cum laude from Princeton
- won top speaker and US National Debate contest?
- graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School
- and the same guy who Alan Dershowitz described as "off the charts brilliant?


No, we're talking about the Ted Cruz that singlehandedly shut down the government to repeal Obamacare. How did that work out?

Guest 04-12-2015 05:56 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1043832)
I am all for a qualified Woman as President she does not meet the QUALIFIED in my statement.

I would love to see Carly Fiorina debate Hillary Clinton mano-a-mano (so to speak).

That would be interesting to watch as Carly would destroy Hillary in about 10 minutes with logic and reasoning, vs the empty platitudes that Hillary peddles incessantly

Guest 04-12-2015 06:08 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1044096)
No, we're talking about the Ted Cruz that singlehandedly shut down the government to repeal Obamacare. How did that work out?

Actually we're talking about a leader who stood on principle ... a word which is not in Hillary's vocabulary I might add.

Guest 04-12-2015 06:30 PM

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