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Guest 06-16-2015 11:30 AM

Trumps speach
 
Wondering if anyone watched it and what you thought and if you think he could make it.

Guest 06-16-2015 12:00 PM

First to say, I love trump. Not your typical politician (whom we are all sick of) Donald has the knowledge to get us out of debt, bring the economy back, bring jobs back to America, etc. He also knows how to deal with China, has the strength to want to defeat Isis, , is against illegal immigration, and has integrity. I do like Trump and look forward to hearing him on Hannity tonight at 10 pm

Guest 06-16-2015 12:03 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1074982)
Wondering if anyone watched it and what you thought and if you think he could make it.

No
He is an assclown
No

Guest 06-16-2015 12:42 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075002)
No
He is an assclown
No

Please supply us with the name of a democratic "as clown" so we have a proper calibration.

Assclown? Talking from so low you gotta be looking up at whale crap!

Guest 06-16-2015 12:47 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1074982)
Wondering if anyone watched it and what you thought and if you think he could make it.

Watched it.

Best word to describe my thoughts would be INTERESTING.

Not sure what you mean by "make it", but I cannot see any serious consideration at all, but he did make some interesting points, albeit simplified.

Guest 06-16-2015 01:14 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075002)
No
He is an assclown
No

To my fellow guests: example of what is not productive to a rational and civil conversation so that we have an opportunity to air out all sides and make an informed decision


Personal Best Regards:

Guest 06-16-2015 01:17 PM

I started this topic and I just dont understand why people get so nasty. Sorry but it doesnt say much for the person. Just looking for comments to see what other people think.

Guest 06-16-2015 01:20 PM

Trump is an excellent businessman, an excellent promoter and has tenacity and spine but his focus ,as near as I can tell, always been on what was good for him.

He is an in your face kinda guy and while it has its benefits, I beleive the liabilities tilt too heavily?

I will hold my judgments on all candidates until each has an opportunity to present their case.

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 06-16-2015 02:19 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075036)
Trump is an excellent businessman, an excellent promoter and has tenacity and spine but his focus ,as near as I can tell, always been on what was good for him.

He is an in your face kinda guy and while it has its benefits, I beleive the liabilities tilt too heavily?

I will hold my judgments on all candidates until each has an opportunity to present their case.

Personal Best Regards:

Liabilities did not matter In 2008/2012!

Guest 06-16-2015 02:43 PM

We need a in your face kinda guy. Now we have a "real man" running this guy will take no prisoners. Just what we need = Leadership

Guest 06-16-2015 02:56 PM

45 minutes is beyond my Trump attention span, but I'm glad he's in the running. Let's hope he cracks the popularity threshold for the debates.

Guest 06-16-2015 03:01 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075063)
Liabilities did not matter In 2008/2012!

Without revisiting the past, it is a shame that we, the voters, care so little about the issues, and concentrate on get out the vote.

Voting, to me, is sacred....so many have died to insure we may continue that. While a great turnout is nice, if they need to be bussed, or coerced in anyway, that bothers me.

I want to hear issues. Example....Mr Trump expounded today and if he were elected,he has zero chance of doing what he says. Ms. Clinton, yesterday went on and on about what she will do and have read many pieces today confirming that what she said has zero chance of ever happening. If she were elected, with the Republican majority being so great it will takes years to reverse it, none of that progressive stuff will every fly. Trump,while he would be in the governing party, if he were ever elected, stands no chance of bypassing congress to be so radical.

We need a leader. Someone who understands there is no monarchy, and there needs to be give and take and compromise. Inaddition,the party hacks that keep a "score sheet" need to simply butt out.

Does not matter now about 2008 or 2012....,what matters is we,the electorate need to pay attention,NOT TO THE POLLS, NOT TO THE TALKING HEADS, NOT TO THE PARTY FOLLOWERS. We need to listen to all candidates and determine who we can trust. Most times, when voting is done that way, we get it right.

Guest 06-16-2015 03:02 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075079)
45 minutes is beyond my Trump attention span, but I'm glad he's in the running. Let's hope he cracks the popularity threshold for the debates.

He will put people on the spot

Guest 06-16-2015 04:56 PM

Trump not on Hannity tonight. He is on O'Reilly at 8pm

Guest 06-16-2015 05:08 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075016)
Please supply us with the name of a democratic "as clown" so we have a proper calibration.

Assclown? Talking from so low you gotta be looking up at whale crap!

Tan Charlie for his inability to beat Gov Skeletor earned an assclown rating from me.

I distilled my response to the OP's question as that is all that The Don is worth.

Your personal opinion of me means less than whale crap

Guest 06-16-2015 05:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075029)
To my fellow guests: example of what is not productive to a rational and civil conversation so that we have an opportunity to air out all sides and make an informed decision


Personal Best Regards:

^^^^^ see above

Guest 06-16-2015 05:52 PM

With all due respect for Trump, he is not electable. Case closed.

Turn attention to some actual candidates who are electable such as Cruz, Rubio, and Bush. Support real possibilites of winning and the Republicans might have a chance of winning.

Remember, though, the Republican base demographics are not in favor of a win. No Republican is going to win the Black vote, the majority of the women vote, the majority of any minority vote, nor the majority of the college educated male vote.

It will be a very tough election to win so do not back a Trump, a Graham, or a Santorum.

Guest 06-16-2015 06:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075172)
With all due respect for Trump, he is not electable. Case closed.

Turn attention to some actual candidates who are electable such as Cruz, Rubio, and Bush. Support real possibilites of winning and the Republicans might have a chance of winning.

Remember, though, the Republican base demographics are not in favor of a win. No Republican is going to win the Black vote, the majority of the women vote, the majority of any minority vote, nor the majority of the college educated male vote.

It will be a very tough election to win so do not back a Trump, a Graham, or a Santorum.


And unfortunately, based on the polls, if the debates were being held today, Donald Trump would knock a more legitimate candidate off the stage, someone like Kasich for example.

Guest 06-16-2015 06:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075172)
With all due respect for Trump, he is not electable. Case closed.

Turn attention to some actual candidates who are electable such as Cruz, Rubio, and Bush. Support real possibilites of winning and the Republicans might have a chance of winning.

Remember, though, the Republican base demographics are not in favor of a win. No Republican is going to win the Black vote, the majority of the women vote, the majority of any minority vote, nor the majority of the college educated male vote.

It will be a very tough election to win so do not back a Trump, a Graham, or a Santorum.

Your comments on Trump I agree with.

I will say this about your generalization on the Republican chance un 2016. I do understand your reasoning, however the Republican party does NOT NEED to win a majority of the black vote or any minority vote. Voter turnout will be vital, but just keep in mind that we are a long long way away and anything can happen.

Also, if Clinton stays as far left as she is talking now and is elected, she will get nothing done with the Republican control of congress and to over take the majority in congress will take years. IF she makes it, she will need to be the great mediator.

Guest 06-16-2015 06:38 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075036)
Trump is an excellent businessman, an excellent promoter and has tenacity and spine but his focus ,as near as I can tell, always been on what was good for him.

He is an in your face kinda guy and while it has its benefits, I beleive the liabilities tilt too heavily?

I will hold my judgments on all candidates until each has an opportunity to present their case.

Personal Best Regards:









He's an excellent businessman - only been to bankruptcy four times. He's destroyed almost as many jobs as that Carly character.

How is anyone supposed to take these posts seriously?

Guest 06-16-2015 06:41 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075172)
With all due respect for Trump, he is not electable. Case closed.

Turn attention to some actual candidates who are electable such as Cruz, Rubio, and Bush. Support real possibilites of winning and the Republicans might have a chance of winning.

Remember, though, the Republican base demographics are not in favor of a win. No Republican is going to win the Black vote, the majority of the women vote, the majority of any minority vote, nor the majority of the college educated male vote.

It will be a very tough election to win so do not back a Trump, a Graham, or a Santorum.







Neither Cruz or Rubio are electable.

Guest 06-16-2015 06:58 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075172)
With all due respect for Trump, he is not electable. Case closed.

Turn attention to some actual candidates who are electable such as Cruz, Rubio, and Bush. Support real possibilites of winning and the Republicans might have a chance of winning.

Remember, though, the Republican base demographics are not in favor of a win. No Republican is going to win the Black vote, the majority of the women vote, the majority of any minority vote, nor the majority of the college educated male vote.

It will be a very tough election to win so do not back a Trump, a Graham, or a Santorum.

I think you over generalized, I am a woman, a democrat and as a former New Yorker I've seen what Trump is capable of doing.

I think if he does go through with this he will be very successful, I don't think ego would accept anything else but success. Let's face it, he doesn't need the money, it's not like he needs the office space but a bit of immortality would probably suit him just fine.

Guest 06-16-2015 07:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075208)
I think you over generalized, I am a woman, a democrat and as a former New Yorker I've seen what Trump is capable of doing.

I think if he does go through with this he will be very successful, I don't think ego would accept anything else but success. Let's face it, he doesn't need the money, it's not like he needs the office space but a bit of immortality would probably suit him just fine.

I think he can win!

Donald Trump on the Issues

Guest 06-16-2015 07:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075196)
Neither Cruz or Rubio are electable.

Something about Cruz creeps me out, he looks like a combination of Eddie and Grandpa Munster.

Guest 06-16-2015 07:48 PM

Even on The Five, the blonde lady and Juan Williams were both saying that Trump could not be the President he thinks he could be.

They said that no matter how much money he personally has, only Congress can authorize money for whatever project he wants. He would have to play by Washington rules and not his boardroom style of "You're Fired".

Nope, Trump is not a serious contender to be reckoned with. He is just doing this for his own ego. Never will get the nomination. Next candidate, please!

Others who will not get the nomination are Fiorina, Huckabee, Perry, Santorum, or Graham.

Guest 06-16-2015 07:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075219)
Even on The Five, the blonde lady and Juan Williams were both saying that Trump could not be the President he thinks he could be.



They said that no matter how much money he personally has, only Congress can authorize money for whatever project he wants. He would have to play by Washington rules and not his boardroom style of "You're Fired".



Nope, Trump is not a serious contender to be reckoned with. He is just doing this for his own ego. Never will get the nomination. Next candidate, please!



Others who will not get the nomination are Fiorina, Huckabee, Perry, Santorum, or Graham.


Well, he has a pen and cell phone like you know who. Those are Washington rules aren't they?

Guest 06-16-2015 08:14 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075222)
Well, he has a pen and cell phone like you know who. Those are Washington rules aren't they?

Off topic and smart alec post but what else to expect?

Anyhow, the authority of Executive Order is legal but there are limits. The President cannot fire his opponents in Congress, he cannot build the Great Wall of Mexico and have the Mexicans pay for it, and he cannot do trade deals without Congressional approval.

Guest 06-16-2015 10:29 PM

Juan Williams......Oh why oh why is the ROTFLMAO icon not working on my iPad ?

Guest 06-17-2015 03:51 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075192)
He's an excellent businessman - only been to bankruptcy four times. He's destroyed almost as many jobs as that Carly character.

How is anyone supposed to take these posts seriously?

Dear guest: Actually many entrepreneurs have gone bust more than once in their lives. The guy is worth over 9 billion. And as to destroying jobs he also creates as many . would you suggest that the government continue to create jobs (government workers) because if you noticed lately taxpayers are under an incredible tax liability burden, Now there (public sector) is where we need to reduce staff.

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 06-17-2015 04:11 AM

This is what I like about Trump. He like Carly Fiorina are correct in stating that professional politicians are not a good thing for this country. we elect a president for only 8 years for a reason and those limits should apply to the 535 congressional members. It will for one limit the influence lobbyist and unions have on elected representatives.

Secondly I agree with the Democratic (New Yorker) poster observations (above).

Third, I am not 100% sure Trump cares, other than ego, to be president. However I am convinced that he believes and ants to change the political conversation in this campaign. I believe he does so because 1) he is a patriot
2) its good business 3) he dislikes the manner in which the government is dealing in foreign policy.

Fourth, Never ay never in politics. I lived in Minnesota when the Democrats (DFLers) and Republican laughed when Jesse Ventura ran Independent for governor but they didn't laugh long. and for the next four years that probably was the only time the DFLers and Republicans came together.
And need I remind posters about the last two elections because by every measure Obama was not qualified nor electable. What got him elected was he was the first president of color. Can the first woman president carry it off also? I hope so but I also hope it is a most qualified first woman because we need a class act or we are going to continue this diminutive decline. Hillary is not that qualified candidate

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 06-17-2015 08:07 AM

Ok, I have to admit I've changed my mind about Trump ...

Prior to his formally entering the race, I thought he was non-serious, a clown, irritating and everything else that the media has charged him with


BUT ... when I listened to him I had to admit a LOT of what he said makes sense, and no one else is saying it.

The Great Wall of Mexico ... exactly what needs to happen. We are beyond stupid to allow open borders. And, I don't care who pays for it. But, as least he has the cojones to take this position.

Another item I liked was when he said we don't do victories anymore. Wow, exactly right.

I also liked it when he said he would find the Patton or MacArthur in the US military and put him in charge of it. Exactly right!

Trump is an egomaniac and all that but he is a leader and will absolutely kick butt and shake things up in DC. He would start by firing a lot of the incompetents in the Executive Branch ... eg the lady who heads OPM and just lost all the personal date to a Chinese hack.

I'm actually thinking about switching my support from Rubio to Trump ...

Guest 06-17-2015 08:09 AM

Donald is playing the good GOP foot soldier. His role is get out there and be completely outrageous, totally off the wall, extemporaneous. He is a caricature of himself. He is a combed over Pat Paulsen. When he speaks, full of what Scalia would call argle bargle, it functions to make the words of the other GOP candidates seem not bizarre or even somewhere near normal. That is his role and he will play it for all it is worth.

Guest 06-17-2015 08:34 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075354)
Donald is playing the good GOP foot soldier. His role is get out there and be completely outrageous, totally off the wall, extemporaneous. He is a caricature of himself. He is a combed over Pat Paulsen. When he speaks, full of what Scalia would call argle bargle, it functions to make the words of the other GOP candidates seem not bizarre or even somewhere near normal. That is his role and he will play it for all it is worth.

Interesting quote I heard this morning......

"Donald Trump is saying all those things we keep yelling at our tv sets as we watch the news"

Thus, he will have a following and will not allow anyone to get comfortable.

Guest 06-17-2015 08:44 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075291)
This is what I like about Trump. He like Carly Fiorina are correct in stating that professional politicians are not a good thing for this country. we elect a president for only 8 years for a reason and those limits should apply to the 535 congressional members. It will for one limit the influence lobbyist and unions have on elected representatives.

Secondly I agree with the Democratic (New Yorker) poster observations (above).

Third, I am not 100% sure Trump cares, other than ego, to be president. However I am convinced that he believes and ants to change the political conversation in this campaign. I believe he does so because 1) he is a patriot
2) its good business 3) he dislikes the manner in which the government is dealing in foreign policy.

Fourth, Never ay never in politics. I lived in Minnesota when the Democrats (DFLers) and Republican laughed when Jesse Ventura ran Independent for governor but they didn't laugh long. and for the next four years that probably was the only time the DFLers and Republicans came together.
And need I remind posters about the last two elections because by every measure Obama was not qualified nor electable. What got him elected was he was the first president of color. Can the first woman president carry it off also? I hope so but I also hope it is a most qualified first woman because we need a class act or we are going to continue this diminutive decline. Hillary is not that qualified candidate

Personal Best Regards:

This is a great post and I totally agree with it. It's time that we look outside the box. You know how a cardboard box kind of wilts and disintegrates over time? Well, that's where we are at in this country with no one in Washington working together or acting as the servants of the people that they were elected to represent. The box is disintegrating and it's time for a change. Sometimes, make that often times, it must come from the top down. We need a real leader who is not afraid to make the tough decisions and isn't worried about winning a popularity contest in Washington. Unfortunately, our federal government has become more like a business than not. I don't think it should be that way, but that is the reality. Having said that, who better to be in charge than someone with that type of experience? Often successful business people know how to pick the right people (vice president, cabinet, etc, in this case) to work for and with them to move forward. But most important would be to elect someone with these qualities who truly loves this country. I am not personally feeling great about any of the usual political candidates (both Republican and Democrat) that have announced thus far. But I have to admit to some intrigue and excitement at the mention of people like Fiorina or Trump. I agree with others that say it is too early to say never, and will try to keep an open mind as I continue to watch and listen to ALL the candidates before honing in on one as my potential pick.

Guest 06-17-2015 10:31 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075370)
This is a great post and I totally agree with it. It's time that we look outside the box. You know how a cardboard box kind of wilts and disintegrates over time? Well, that's where we are at in this country with no one in Washington working together or acting as the servants of the people that they were elected to represent. The box is disintegrating and it's time for a change. Sometimes, make that often times, it must come from the top down. We need a real leader who is not afraid to make the tough decisions and isn't worried about winning a popularity contest in Washington. Unfortunately, our federal government has become more like a business than not. I don't think it should be that way, but that is the reality. Having said that, who better to be in charge than someone with that type of experience? Often successful business people know how to pick the right people (vice president, cabinet, etc, in this case) to work for and with them to move forward. But most important would be to elect someone with these qualities who truly loves this country. I am not personally feeling great about any of the usual political candidates (both Republican and Democrat) that have announced thus far. But I have to admit to some intrigue and excitement at the mention of people like Fiorina or Trump. I agree with others that say it is too early to say never, and will try to keep an open mind as I continue to watch and listen to ALL the candidates before honing in on one as my potential pick.

I feel pretty much the way you do. Given that the country is rapidly falling apart, and the foreign threats are getting more serious, I'm willing to give a Trump or Fiorina a try. The political class is largely talk and hot air, vs actually knocking heads together to get something done.

For example, Trump could fire about 10% of the senior executives in the Fed. Gov't to get everyone's attention. That's never been done but I think we need to consider something radical.

The ONLY criterion should be ... did you accomplish your mission? No excuses and no extra points for good intentions. If no results, you're gone. Change the civil service laws if need be or, like Obama, just write an Exec Order and fight it out in the courts.

Guest 06-17-2015 12:35 PM

Why waste time talking about Trump doing anything as President? There is a 99.999 percent chance he will NOT get the nomination. Heck, make that 100 percent!

Concentrate on electable candidates. It will be an uphill battle for the best of the Republicans to win over Mrs. Clinton.

Guest 06-17-2015 12:53 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075463)
Why waste time talking about Trump doing anything as President? There is a 99.999 percent chance he will NOT get the nomination. Heck, make that 100 percent!

Concentrate on electable candidates. It will be an uphill battle for the best of the Republicans to win over Mrs. Clinton.

I understand why you sat that, however depending on who is the Republican candidate, it could be rough for her.

She is rich...something the Democrats have railed on in the past.

She is not liked nor trusted...something the democrats like to lay at the feet of the republicans.

She is "not young".....something the democrats said in negative terms in 2012.

She was Secy of state, and there is not one person who would say our foreign policy is working. We are entering another Cold War; the ME is a shambles and getting worse; her "success story" as she called it in Yemen has fallen apartment; It appears that we are trying to give it away with Iran; she avoids discussing the trade deal; China is setting military steps in areas that we said no to in the past; nuclear arms are not an issue when they were not. I might add that the deal with Syria to stop using gas has collapsed and they are back at it.

All in all, along with other past baggage, I do not see her as a sure thing in anyway.

Guest 06-17-2015 12:59 PM

If you want, we could add to Ms. Clinton' resume the debacle in Africa, DIRECTLY steered by Ms. Clinton. Libya, the ISIS growth, etc.

Guest 06-17-2015 01:44 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075231)
Off topic and smart alec post but what else to expect?



Anyhow, the authority of Executive Order is legal but there are limits. The President cannot fire his opponents in Congress, he cannot build the Great Wall of Mexico and have the Mexicans pay for it, and he cannot do trade deals without Congressional approval.


Sorry but I disagree. It is on target. It's the way things are being done and they are hardly all legal. You might think it is a smart Alec response but I don't hide behind Guest. What else to expect?

Guest 06-17-2015 02:42 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1075496)
Sorry but I disagree. It is on target. It's the way things are being done and they are hardly all legal. You might think it is a smart Alec response but I don't hide behind Guest. What else to expect?

Sorry, pal, but you are wrong. Certain things can be done by Executive Order but most are reserved for Congress to approve or disapprove.

Don't believe everything that is posted on the wrongdoings of the President nor what is on conservative radio or television or newsblogs. Neither should you believe everything positive about the President that is on liberal television, radio, or blogs.

Pres. Obama is not the devil who is out to destroy America nor is he the be-all of the American way of life. He has helped some people, some have not fared as well.

In my not so humble opinion, Pres. Obama will be put in the upper 1/4 of American presidents. He will be set higher than GW Bush but not as high as Bill Clinton.


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