Exec. courses "pace-of-play" is very slow!
 

Initially I thought the courses were clogged due to the snowbirds, now a major problem is very slow play. Mostly the women's groups/foursomes take too long to play a hole. Most hit from tees too far back instead of using green tees. Putting takes forever as they do not play "ready" golf. This is a big problem and the Ambassadors/Starters are powerless to do much about it. Especially since the women players will call the golf office and complain about the rude Ambassador. Out of fear nothing is done about this growing problem.:cryin2:

Women leaders need to speak up, then lead by suggestion and example. Perhaps a yellow card needs to be issued to slow play group members and they cannot play again until attending a Good Golf or Ready Golf session.:22yikes:

We are retired and left the pace of play issue back at the clubs we used to belong to.

Concern about pace of play on a 9 hole course?

People are retired.
They are old(er).
Some even handicapped.

I never liked the notion of pace of play on what is supposed to be relaxation. And now that I am retired and older my measure is that I am still able to come out and play....not how fast I do it.

Sometimes it is painful to have to wait....but it gives one an opportunity to enjoy the surroundinds here in TV.

It's not just st the women. I have seen many men playing from the tips who cannot hit the ball that far. Their ego gets in the way of good golf. People should also be courteous and move on after par is doubled.

Your post is full of stereo types and unfounded generalities obviously against women golfers. Our ladies foursomes have been behind plenty of slow foursomes of men who take unlimited mulligans, take multiple practice swings before they hit the ball, search for lost balls and will not give up until they find them, line up their putts from every possible angle before they putt, sit in their golf carts marking their score cards before they leave the green. and countless other things that slow up the play. Maybe , as you put it , the men leaders should "speak up to their groups then lead by example and they can not play again until attending a Good Golf School or Ready Golf session." Oh and don't forget giving the slow men a yellow card.

I agree 100 percent.

I agree 100 percent.

Some people ridicule me when I play from the green tees, but I know my limits. I'm sure as I play more I'll be able to move back but for now this makes for a more enjoyable round for me and lets me keep up with the others in my group.

Not really a good suggestion!
 

This is not the issue. Retired has nothing to do with the problem. Being over 70 is not the problem. Surroundings are peripheral to why one is on the course. Going along to get along does not resolve the very slow play. :wave:

In December of '14 on your first post you inquired if people walked the golf courses and now a little over six months later you have concluded women are causing the slow play.


I had to look up what "Cavalier" meant, but now I know.

I am a huge advocate of keeping the pace of play, but I don't think it is one gender more than another causing the delays.

Good advice!
 

Thanks for your common sense approach:wave:

Denial, denial, denial...
 

Although I agree about some of the men golfers overestimating their power, endlessly looking for lost balls after hitting from the wrong tees for their capabilities, etc. This does not address the bigger problem of slow play by women on the Exec. Courses. Please, this is not a blame-the-other-sex post instead it is about a real problem of play.:22yikes:

I too have noticed that the pace of play seems to have slowed considerably on the Executive courses in the afternoons/evenings. I do not however place the blame on male vs. female and in fact the slowest round I have had recently was while playing behind a mixed foursome (2 male and 2 female). Obviously there are some people either do not understand or do not care about the concept of "ready golf". This particular afternoon I stood and watched as not one, not two but three shots each were taken by two of the four players even though the previous shots were technically in play. Add to that the four attempts in the sand trap and I was driven to drink. Oh, and when you walk off the green, please move your golf cart to the next tee before you decide to debate or rehash everyone' score or maybe decide where everyone wants to go for dinner after the round.

Thank goodness I had the forethought on this particular afternoon to carry enough beer with me to make it through the entire round. Folks, nobody is trying to rush you or keep you from enjoying the beautiful scenery but please, please go to the driving ranges for your practice and quit trying to teach during your round. Everyone will be better off and you will enjoy the game more.

Agree

Agree, agree, agree. It makes no difference who or what gender.

That could very well be considered by some to be insulting. Now, if you want to talk about the pace of play. Do it.

While we're young.

The topic should be pace of play not women being slow!! Just the other night my friend & I were playing after 5 on Bonifay and we thought it was going to be a slow night because there was a threesome of women in front of us. Well we weren't wrong about the pace but it wasn't because of the women directly in front of us. It was the foursome of men ahead of them that slowed the pace. These guys had a hole to a hole and a half in front of them completely open.Whether your on the Championship courses or the executive courses if you notice that you are not keeping up with the people in front of you then YOU ARE PLAYING TOO SLOW!!!! Please be considerate of those trying to enjoy their rounds and most like myself do not enjoy waiting to play every shot!!

BS
 

Have you missed the posts saying that both genders are guilty of this. I too have played behind some very slow male foursomes.
IMHO. you are way less than Cavalier in your posts.
:censored:

Boy Howdy
 

Boy Howdy, Saw this post coming! You never want to "rile up" a lady golfer.

I honestly don't believe that was the intention of the OP. Male, female, young or older, the pace of play should be "reasonable". We have a self imposed rule in our group to pick up your ball after triple bogey and I've seen some pretty good golfers pick up after six on a par three and move on. We always play ready golf---its more fun for everybody on the golf course. The good Golf school is a must for all golfers regardless of skill level.

I would have a "problem" with anybody who is not courteous on a golf course or anywhere else. You certainly don't "make fun" of somebody for using the forward tees. You should congratulate and encourage them! Fore :wave::wave::Screen_of_Death:

Pass the popcorn!

If you agree, agree, agree, that it makes no difference who or what gender why did your first post blame everything on women golfers? Makes no sense. :loco:

A nine hole golf course, should take about an hour and a half, to play.

If it runs 10 or 15 minutes later, where is everyone going, that they need to get steamed up about it?

I would be more concerned being paired with people who get frustrated and break their clubs!!!

Some people take golf too seriously! IMHO

I was a beginner when I got here. One of the things that I had learned about golf etiquette back home was to never advance past the farthest-away ball on the fairway. Another thing was to never be on the green while someone is getting ready to pitch up. Now, I believe that I can violate those rules in order to play ready golf, but I still feel embarrassed to do so.

Denial, denial, denial...
 

Interesting that few posters are interested in resolving an obvious problem on Exec. Courses. We almost quit on the 4th hold at Southern Star yesterday and took 2hrs. to play Heron this morning--due to....

I am just as critical of males who do the same thing, i.e. black tees and hit the water, incessant looking for lost balls, etc. But the bigger problem are the women's groups that dilly-dally on the tees, use longer tees than their campabilities, take 4-5 strokes to reach the green, then 4 putt. Of course, clean their clubs, fill out the scorecard and chit-chat. This is a common occurrence not the exception. I do not think they are aware of other players and the 9 minute time frame for each hole.

This has nothing to do with being retired, handicapped or old. Earlier in the Week I played with a one-legged man on crutches who shot par golf and never held up the group or other foursomes. :wave:

Bending these rules slightly...within the bounds of safety...might help a little. But you really don't have to break the rules to play ready golf.

You are so right! It has nothing to do with age. It's about a group of inconsiderate, usually, new golfers that couldn't care less if they hold others up. They stupidly argue "what's the hurry", "you're retired", "enjoy the fresh air". They are totally ignorant of the concentration and rhythm it takes to play one's best golf; or any other competitive sport, for that matter. And yes, the women are the more frequent offenders, probably because they have never competed in sports before they took up golf. They play golf so they can talk, talk, talk, talk, and talk some more, with their girl friends. They can't play the next shot until they finish their story! They don't even think about their next shot until it is their turn to hit. Then, after they finish "sharing" with their friends, they look at their bag to ponder which club to use. Blame their husbands for getting them to take up the game. Why couldn't you have nudged them into yoga, or Mahjong (whatever that is)? These men knew better, but they didn't care about their fellow men. They just wanted to show their wife what a great game golf WAS, and why they liked it so much. Now golf is screwed up for us, too. Thanks, husbands! We all hope you get the yips.

So true.


Beginner Golf Tip: Keeping Up the Pace of Play

golf for fun
 

What ever happened to Americas Friendliest Home town I really can't believe I read so much dislike of people on this site is it the heat or what

It all starts by learning rules and etiquette first, then a nice pace of play might happen. Until then its called patience.

My wife and I have played every day this week, by our selfs and with another couple. We always walk the exec courses. We have experienced no issues with pace of play.

Take a deep breath and enjoy the round and most important the company.

Hi cavalier:

I have general agreement with you. Let's set aside the disabled;albeit I have played with people who have disabled tags on their carts and they have not slowed up play.

I also disagree with playing from the wrong tees as being the problem because I have watched golfers who's second shots and putting eliminate the wimpy drive.

and I disagree that it is a women problem because I've played with women who move right along./

And I disagree about age I have played with guys in their 80's who could put many of us to shame. I am --years old and I walk and I carry a bag and I am always at the next tee the same time as riders.

No the biggest reason is people attitudes. some act like well this is my tee time I paid to live here and no one is going to rush me. some stand over the ball so long I wonder if they dozed off. some are johnny come lately they sit in the cart wait until everyone else has teed off then get out get their equipment go thought their three minute drill before they hit. Or they jabber away and all I can think is this is go to a restaurant buy breakfast and you can talk until your heart is content.

Its easier for people to complain that slow play is because someone is playing from the tips. Its only a small part.

Ready golf means that but too many people are not ready not focused on their game or out to socialize mainly.

I played this morning with a foursome of men in front and a foursome of women behind. Two of our players were walkers. For the most part we kept up with the pace of play. We had to wait on 8 and 9 for the green to clear. The women behind us probably waited on us for three or four holes because they were playing fast. As many have said, playing ready golf is the key. Unless you ate standing in someone's putting line, go if you are ready. Don't wait for the low score players to tee first. For the most part, we are out to have fun, not playing The Masters....

Seems to me the OP was just trying to stir up a 9 page thread with the sexist remarks.
We all know that there are slow women and slow men on the course (probably more slow men, simply because more men play)
If it bothers you that much, play the championship courses. They speed you up or ask you to let people play through.
You wanna gripe about something? Gripe about the MEN who leave cigars laying all over the golf course.

Exec. courses "pace-of-play" is very slow!
 

Hey!! What about the WOMEN? [emoji12]

Well ya sure cudda fooled me! Also made me wonder if the poster comes to a complete stop at STOP signs and/or before turning right on red! ;)

If you're constantly keeping pace with the group in front of you you can't do much more or just turn around straight for the 19th hole!

It is really easy to keep pace with the group in front of you when they are not doing the same. On another note, I went up to Lopez to hit range balls this evening and saw 9 people on the last hole of Walnut Grove. Even if five of them were spectators, which I think was the case, they were all on the green or the fringe and that cannot result in a good pace of play. If I had to play behind them, I would have been pretty damned annoyed.

Brilliant Post!
 

Sometimes one wonders....:wave:

It's not a blame? It most certainly is a blame! I hope you have data to back up your most cavalier statement.

It doesn't matter if it's men or women... it's about pace of play. If the course is crowded - don't hit that 2nd or 3rd ball off the tee because you want to practice or don't like your first (playable) shot.. don't take 5 min. looking for your ball in the weeds... don't slow play because your spouse is giving you a lesson on how to hit every shot... and don't take your 10th shot on a hole. If you want to do that - then play during slow times - late in the day or afternoons.

Nine people has to counted as a picnic or an entourage!:rant-rave: