What's The Difference Between A Socialist And A Democrat?
 

Well that's just about the way the conversation between Chris Matthews and Debbie Wassermann Schultz went on Matthews TV show the other day.
Chris Matthews had Debbie Wassermann Schultz, Democratic National Committee Leader as a guest.

Chris Matthews asked Debbie Wassermann Schultz to explain the difference between a socialist and a Democrat. Schultz's head exploded over this question as Matthews kept insisting that she explain the difference . All he got was well its Democrat against Republican

However given the hard pull to the left by liberals Matthews question had substance and as Bernie Sanders continues on his march to the White House
Hillary Clinton pulls harder and harder to the left. The multi-millionaire first woman to be elected continues the class war against the rich. She will continue and enlarge the income redistribution scheme of the Obama Administration as government continues to grow this economy. She will fix the income disparity between the CEO's and clerks in a company by applying some sort of parity scheme.

Doesn't this all sound like socialism to you?

THAT is certainly the direction that the Democratic party has been sprinting to over the last few years.

Our current administration is bent on putting us on the same track as socialist Europe. His next Presidential proclamation is on environment


"On Monday, the Post has learned, the Obama administration plans to release the finalized “Clean Power Plan,” the president’s flagship policy to combat global warming. The plan is aimed at the electricity sector, which generates the largest single slice of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions — 31 percent of them.

The final rule, which officials say will be part of a major new climate push by the president, is likely to both thrill environmental groups and pique industry — it seeks to achieve even deeper cuts than the 2014 proposed plan, which itself was already controversial."

What you need to know about Obama

"It’s important to note that most of these changes — more renewables, more natural gas, fewer coal-fired power plants — are happening anyway. The Clean Power Plan seeks to ride atop an energy sector trend that is already occurring, while also hastening it along."

TV residents love their socialized single-payer health care, commonly known as Medicare, as long as you keep the government's hand out of it.

There is also concern WITHIN the Democratic party...

"Centrist Democrats were wiped out in the 2014 elections and in their absence emerged a resurgent liberal movement, embodied most recently by the surprisingly competitive presidential campaign of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.
But the suddenly ascendant left — its populist overtones becoming part of the mainstream Democratic pitch — is worrying Democrats who want to compete on Republican-leaning turf. The party lost every competitive gubernatorial and Senate race in the South last year. And Democrats didn’t fare much better in the heartland.


Read more: Red-state Democrats fret about leftward shift - Kyle Cheney and Rachana Pradhan - POLITICO

The difference between a socialist and a democrat is the socialist will admit that is what they are.

The democrat will dance around and make it sound like a lot of something else but never refer to it as socialism......you know same old political mumbo jumbo business as usual.

Well, at least under Hillary's "leadership", we will all equally poor. :1rotfl:

Perhaps the question could be, "What is the difference between The Villages Tea Party and the KKK?"

From a lot of posts on the forum, I would guess there is not too much difference.

Or perhaps it should be "What is the difference between The Villages' liberals and and an Idiot".

That KKK comment wasn't me.

The Republicans treat Socialism as a swear word. Social Security, and Medicare are two socialist programs. I don't hear many people complaining about them here.

Single payer, Medicare for all, is the way to go. Cost of health care has gone through the roof. There was a number in the 90's that it cost the federal government 4 cents to process a claim, and 24 cents for an insurance company. I am sure that that gap is a lot closer now. You can open up state borders for health insurance companies that is not going to reduce premiums. They know what each other are going to charge. They prices will be so close you won't be able to tell the difference. Fixing prices is a strange way for Capitalism to work.

If the government can't process claims in an efficient manner, let the insurance companies process the claims, but will have accept the amount the federal government determines to be fair to process a claim. Who cares! Single payer will never happen. Insurance companies throw to much money at our elected officials. They are bought and paid for.

Is anyone out there going to try and sell that we are working on an equal playing field? Citizens United has guaranteed that the rich will never be the victim of the Democrats. Treating them as victims of anything is beyond the pale. It is not how much you make. It is how much you keep. Making the tax laws a lot fairer isn't an assault on the rich. It is common sense.

What is the difference between the Villages' liberals and an idiot? Villages' liberals have more money, and a fully functional brain in their head.

What is the difference between the Village Tea Party, and the KKK? In the serious department, that is over the top, and just not right. Nobody is as bad as the KKK. In the just kidding department, the KKK won't be the target of the IRS, if they apply for a 501(c)4 charitable political organization classification. I don't think the KKK has any need to place political ads on TV.

Another testimony to the commitment to total and complete nonsense.

The essence of the difference ... well stated

But remember, kind readers, that it is extremely likely that the Democrat nominee will win the presidency in 2016.

Curious,,,,,you might be correct, but on what do you base your absolute ?

Polls reflect a very dynamic picture right now and it is early....really curious about how you came to this call.

Fact is there is no Republican candidate and the Democratic picture is getting fuzzy suddenly.

Progress is noted! The statement excludes that Clinton is the next POTUS.

When Biden throws his hat in the ring Clinton will fade even faster.

Many of the Republicans running for president don't have to worry about fading. You have to be in the picture before you can fade. The biggest joke going is the Republicans have a deep well qualified field. No, they just have a lot of people running.

Biden will not get one vote from the religious committee. His speech announcing throwing his hat into the ring will have them covering their ears. It will be one sentence, "I am running for president, because it is a big bleepin deal."

I had said it was extremely likely that the Democrat nominee would win the presidency in 2016.

In what way is that an absolute? I came to this call by the demographics of both parties and how the Republicans seem to be trying to exclude any possible voters who might cross party lines.

You conveniently shifted the focus to republicans and forgot to mention Clinton fading when Biden enters the race!

Not all of us. Medicare is a perfect example of the gov messing up something that they stick their hands in. First you pay for it all your working life. Then you retire and they tell you that Medicare A, which you paid for is only good for hospitalization. Not doctor visits and not prescriptions. If you want anything more than hospitalization, you must pay an extra $100+ for Medicare B, more for "C" and if you want prescriptions Medicare part D, which costs even more. No thank you. I will keep my Blue Cross/Blue Shield. As far as I am concerned, I the gov ripped me off, and now they are going to take half a trillion bucks of Medicare funds that WE paid for and use it to subsidize those that don't contribute (Obamacare).

So, if you think socialized medicine is such a great idea, travel and live in a few other countries...I HAVE. You need to experience it before you can understand it. Don't let those lefty liberals con you into thinking the gov is going to take all your troubles away. It's just like drinking until you pass out. You feel good when you don't have to stress about something, but once you wake up, the troubles are still there. And the bill is much greater.

:agree:

Or the difference between a liberal, outside troll and an idiot.

The difference between a socialist and a Democrat?

A Democrat is just a socialist with lipstick on.

Got it....

Your intent was not a simple political prediction this early on but a back door to go after the Republican party for what you perceive as a slight to blacks and hispanics.

Why not be up front......you do this quite a bit so might as well get all the preliminaries out of the way and get right to it.

And, I do apologize you were not that absolute. The idea of talking race and culture this early is quite something. I choose not to have that conversation.

The emphasis on race is not one that americans should be having. Some seem to look for reasons to bring it up.

It certainly might be a factor......I sure hope the racial attitude reflected in the lopsided voting in 2012 election does not repeat. THAT becomes a real concern for this country.

And before you say I am ignoring reality, I understand why you might say that, but the reality is different this year than in 2008 and 2012 both in demographic voting and in turnout.

I realize the country is more divided now than ever but I hope it has not become a white versus non white situation.

Wasser name is a perfect example to represent the Democrat party....ignorance of fact.
She/they get by using rhetoric, not real issues. What do they have to offer? Just fictitious accusations.

The GOP hates women because they don't want to subsidize birth control pills
They hate women because they won't let them kill unwanted babies
They are bigots because they believe in the Biblical marriage
They are racists because they don't agree with Obama's policies
They hate children because they don't want to give everyone free health care
They hate the poor because they won't increase taxes on the earners
They hate animals because they eat meat
They hate the environment because they use cars
etc. etc, etc

Funny but history tells a different story and liberals even attempt to rewrite that.

Just in case that instead of discussing race you might want a good analysis of the upcoming elections, this is from a Democrat who worries a bit.......and this little segment points to both the socialist claims and the race you fret over always...

"Democrats have an electoral advantage if they stay united and beat a path to the polls. But if polite prodding from the left in the primary turns to angry rhetoric, suddenly liberal ambivalence toward Clinton could shift to distaste or, just as bad, apathy. A liberal county here and another there with just enough of those alienated voters, and a state goes red. Then the White House does, too.

The biggest threat to Clinton losing her presidential bid isn't Republicans; it's Democrats.

But it is fallacy to believe that attacks, instead of debates, can do anything but undermine the chances of a party and its nominee. It would also be a mistake to push Clinton too far to the left with no way back. While Democrats have become more liberal, and Americans are more progressive generally on social issues, the country as a whole is still economically conservative."

Hillary Clinton's threat is Democrats | Newsday

I thought it was interesting. Sorry it does not call anyone a racist or anything like that but it is a pretty good read.

Doubting you will read the entire article but at one point he mentions how a lack of a debate on the left might be of concern.

Hearing this morning that there is no plan at this time for a Democratic debate, even though besides Biden coming in to join the other two, now the CEO of Starbucks, Howard Schultz is seriously joining the democratic fray

But, will we be speaking Russian, Greek or ebonics by the end of her term? :1rotfl:

You have strayed quite far from the subject, but I will disagree with you.
Medicare and Social Security is a perfect example of gov mismanagement. If you don't agree, then you are ignorant of the facts.

As far as medicare is concerned, I believe there is another posting on here that puts it pretty well, if not simply.

Social Security? Really bad mishandling.

I don't know how you can even mention them as good examples of socialism.

Good example of an uninformed liberal. You "guess" because you don't have any information to support you assumption. Not a good way to represent your side. Kind of like coming to a gun fight with a rubber banana..chilout

Maybe liberals can get Debbie Wasser-name to throw her hat into the ring and join a debate with Billary.
They'll ask Hillary a question. She'll answer with "what difference does it make" or blame the GOP
They'll ask Wasser-name a question. She'll look irritated and change the subject due to ignorance. Make up some more lying rhetoric like she always does and stare into space like a headlight dazed deer.

What is the difference between a Democrat and a Socialist?

A Socialist believes in more gov control and nationalization of industry (supposedly for the people).

A Democrat believes in more gov control and nationalization of industry (supposedly for the people).

Debbie was right, the real difference is between a Democrat and a Republican. Even though she was trying to salvage the interview when she was given a tough question, she hit it on the head. There is a big difference between a Republican and a Democrat. Not so much between a Socialist and a Democrat.

Years ago, America fought wars against socialists and communists. Now, a liberal

.... America embraces socialism and with the attacks on churches, seems to be aiming toward communism, a distant cousin of socialism.

What socialist country in Europe believes in the nationalization of industry? I think that is communism, where the government controls levels of production both in industry, and farming.

How many states passed laws legalizing gay marriage? Wasn't something like 30+? Didn't the Supreme Court make it the law of the land recently? The gay rights issue wasn't an attack on the church.

The Republicans always try to make Socialism, a swear word. I haven't seen them anywhere go into great detail, what socialism is, and why it is so bad. I will be honest. I haven't looked that hard to find out why either. I don't care what tag you put on any government program. If it helps the country, it is a good program.

If SOCIAL Security isn't a socialist program, what the hell is it? Isn't Socialism programs that help the many? That is why Medicare For All would be a socialist program.

My guess when Republicans throw Socialism out there, they want the uneducated god fearing people to confuse it with Communism. It is a scare tactic.

Concerning the list maker, get a grip. You are way off base.

Will someone please bring the Wikipedia definition "Socialism" to the thread? I tried, but failed. It would help a great deal to know that we are talking about the same thing. Thanks.

If it not to much to ask, bring Wikipedia's definition of "Communism" as well. Thanks again.

1. Social Security is something I paid into for many years and is not even close to socialism.

2. I find it interesting that you admit "I will be honest. I haven't looked that hard to find out why either." [B]YET, you badmouth an entire political party who just might KNOW what it is and are opposed



"The Pros of Socialism

Social Equality - When it comes to social equality, public education is considered as one of the best examples to easily equalize the education for people.

Economic Equality - In the field of economic equality, public housing, social security, food stamps and minimum wage are considered as the excellent ways to easily reduce poverty.

Medical Equality - It is a fact that everyone must need to get healthcare even those unemployed individual has the right to receive healthcare services. Those persons who can’t pay their medical needs must also receive healthcare services.

Political Equality - When it comes to political equality, socialism has the ability to increase the rights of the workers and allow two political parties.


The Cons of Socialism

Higher Cost - Basically, socialism has higher cost than other government forms therefore taxes are high in some of the socialistic countries. Most of the socialistic countries have higher debt for every citizen.

Less Entrepreneurship - When taxes are high, most of the entrepreneurs will find a hard time and difficulty to start up their new business. If a certain company encounters economic trouble, the usual thing that they will do is to lay off most of their employees just to save their company as well as the jobs of their respective employees.

Big Government - If there are more taxes, it simply means it has a big government. Most of the big governments usually tend to have less innovation and stagnation and this is one of the reasons why small companies can easily adapt this kind of circumstances.

Communism - It is true that communism is a big part of socialism however, communism does not completely work and the usual outcome of this is socialism doesn’t have the ability to imply communism.

Inequalities - According to researches, it is quite impossible to easily eliminate inequalities through socialism since socialism does not completely work it only attempts to eliminate inequalities.

Socialism Pros and Cons | APECSEC.org

Another but quite similar comparison although a lot longer. I am cutting and pasting only the introduction but the pros and cons are listed in the link.

"The literal definition of socialism is a social and economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system. Socialism has a long history. Modern historians don’t believe that socialism existed in the ancient times or during the era of Aristotle and Plato but there is a school of thought that tend to endorse a view that the great philosophers of various eras had accounted for socialism in their political motifs.

Socialism doesn’t find many takers today but there are many political parties in a few democracies of the world where the primary ideology is socialism. There are many socialism pros and cons. It is the outweighing of the pros by the cons that has made socialism relatively irrelevant and thus insignificant today. But there are certain measures taken by most elected governments in the world that are in accordance with socialist practices.

Socialism had witnessed a surge in endorsement and the ideology had become quite popular at the end of the nineteenth century and there were many movements in the world subsequently in the twentieth century that tried to establish socialist governments. Communism too is a cousin of socialism, albeit there are some differences between the two."


Top 12 Pros and Cons of Socialism | NLCATP.org

From the above site, this is the top 4 points for and against....or at least in the order they were presented...

TOP CONS


. Socialism has many disadvantages, one of the most important of which is a financial burden on the state. Whenever a government has to be operated in accordance with the principles or ideology of socialism, there would be massive spending.

Socialism is anti ambition. It doesn’t encourage entrepreneurships and that curtails the natural tendency of people to dream and to do something different. Socialism attempts to put everyone in the same cask and everyone is expected to do similar things. This is not just against nature but also detrimental to the evolution of a country, society and indeed the human race.

Socialism requires a huge government and a massive bureaucracy. With limited privatization and more people being in government jobs, there is greater corruption and only a small group of people sitting at the heights of power tend to get richer.

Socialism can make an entire country lazy and unproductive. Citizens may get used to doles and welfare programs and thus not work at all

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TOP PROS


Socialism attempts to establish an order that promotes equality. In modern societies, which are mostly capitalistic, equality is a utopia. Although every citizen of a country has the same rights, duties and also become eligible for the same basic benefits or facilities

Socialism requires public education to be made mandatory up to a certain level. It attempts to ensure that every child born in the country gets access to education up to a standard which will make everyone equally educated. This is done by making education affordable or state sponsored.

Socialism attempts to instill economic equality. This is done by offering social security, public housing programs ensure that homes remain affordable and that there are enough homes to house every citizen of the country, food stamps are issued for those living in poverty so they get fed and survive without the helplessness of not having even the basic resources, and minimum wages are determined so no one is exploited to an extent that one doesn’t get to live a dignified life.

Socialism also ensures equal access to healthcare. Medical attention is the right of the entire human race and socialism makes it mandatory to keep healthcare costs affordable and free if it has to be so in order to have everyone being offered adequate medical help whenever needed

I hope that allows for some intelligent conversation and I feel compelled, I suppose on a personal level to mention two that were not copied for reading but I think important......

" Socialism is the bedrock of communism. Some people reject this idea but it is true. Communism is actually an extreme form of socialism, which has been proven to be a futile ideology in the modern world.

Socialism is a failed concept in itself as it is impossible to do away with all forms of inequalities. "

Neither of the links are of a Democratic or Republican origin and in fact are both from NON american websites thus perhaps they know of what they speak.

We looking for Utopia and it has never been found. I thought we had gotten close but seems some want to change it.

The only Democrat that I have known that had the guts to admit to being a socialist is Bernie Sanders. Liberals want the traits of socialism without the stigma of the label. Sorry, but the Democrat"ic" party has gone the way of dinosaurs when our parents passed. The new Democrat party is an entirely different animal.

You tell me what the difference is between socialist and Democrat.

The difference between a Socialist and a Democrat is easy, 8 more years!

...and you tell me what the difference is between The Villages Tea Party and the KKK.