It happened again - Underage and causing a problem
 

Just read about a 41 year old assaulting a grandfather in The Villages who was protecting is granddaughter at a pool. It happens far to often that an underage resident is the cause of trouble and criminal activity.

I hope they throw the book at this jerk. I don't want him talking to my grandkids.

Just another jerk....sadly they come in all ages!!

I hope he enjoys his time in jail!

Isn't it a felony, to assault a senior citizen?

The guy has every right to live here. He even has the right to be an a55hole. He doesn't have the right to hit on nine year old girls or to punch grandpa. He just completed three years probation for assault in May of last year. Hopefully, the impotent justice system will find him a small room and a bunk this time.

Anger problems.
 

Sounds like he likes to get in your face type of person. Hope he didn't sucker punch the older man. We have to protect the children from this type of perv.

Which underage?
 

Hope you are referring to the 41 year old as the root of the problem.

No he's entitled to his space in the pool & he's entitled to talk to offend anyone who is in his space--its their obligation to move-if they don't want to make his acquaintance

Young children are not mature or street smart enough to "move from his space". Guys like this try and fool the kids into a false sense of security. Possibly you never had kids or grandkids to protect, but if this happened to me it would be my "obligation" to remove this scumbag from their space. :boxing2::boxing2:

There is the problem and why we have more and more people that act like this guy. We have the right to go to the pool or wherever and feel safe. This person doesn't have the right to remove our freedom and his behavior should not be talorated. With your thinking if I want the pool to myself all I have to do is be an ass so people have to leave. If I decided to have a pool party an I invite all my ass friends. We can just run everyone off after all it is my right to do whatever I want.

I could not agree more. My question is why didn't more 65+ pool people come to this gentleman's assistance? We may be 65+ but we could be formidable in numbers. Stick together in these situations. Don't ever let this happen again.

This underage 41 guy may have a right to live here but he can't get a resident ID and doesn't have rights to be at the pool.

Again all the troubles have been underage residents. It happens all the time.

adults should act in a moral way
 

sorry but he should act in a moral and decent way around other people. He has no right to offend anyone on purpose if it is against the norm of society. Especially concerning children. I am surprised that anyone would support this man in any way concerning what he did. Lucky it wasn't my child involved.

What the guy allegedly did is despicable, but 41 year olds can legally live in The Villages, get a resident ID and use the amenities, including the pools.

Why can't someone 41,owning a home, not be able to get an ID?

I agree many are under 55, but many also are over.
So, it's not all!

What Do you mean by underage?

How about if he is chewing a cigar? :coolsmiley:

This happened around 6 PM. I was on the golf course and heard the obscenities coming from the pool. Language that would shock a sailor and very very loud. Saw the 41-year-old scale the pool fence on his way to his golf cart. Followed by the grandfather who scaled the fence too. There was much more to this event then reported.

:confused: I'm not sure why you refer to him as underage, anyone over the age of 19 is allowed to live in The Villages.
And unfortunately, he does have the right to a resident ID and to be at the pool.

Having said that, I hope the Judge throws the book at him and he spends a long time in jail. What a scumbag. :ohdear:

Chatbrat isn't serious defending this guy. He is just harking back to a previous thread where he was upset about a cigar chewing bar mate.

Why not?

I agree. There have been plenty of example of bad behavior by people over the age of 55. This is not about age. It's about personality and behavior.

Do you think this guy is going to be any different in 14 years?

If it had been my granddaughter the whatever age pervert would be seeing my equalizer.

Because this is what our society has become; people who will look the other way rather than risk conflict or injury.

"No he's entitled to his space in the pool & he's entitled to talk to offend anyone who is in his space--its their obligation to move-if they don't want to make his acquaintance"

IMHO - this is a very stupid comment! Free speech does not give anyone the right to "OFFEND" someone, let alone someone who is 41 dealing with a 9 yr old. And weather I'm in your space or not does not give anyone the right to strike someone. Which is why we have both Harassment and Assault laws. Because I wasn't there I cannot comment on who may have been more at fault. However I fail to see why a healthy 41 yr old male should need to resort to violence and perhaps offensive language to defuse a problem with a grandfather and his grandchild.

"My question is why didn't more 65+ pool people come to this gentleman's assistance? We may be 65+ but we could be formidable in numbers. Stick together in these situations. Don't ever let this happen again."

NOW THIS IS A COMMENT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH !! We all have cell phones; so get visible taking photo's, video's if u know how, call for help or just tell everyone to calm down. Even the simple act of standing behind the party you support can thwart a violent person from being more aggressive.

I'm impressed that the grandfather chased after the fleeing 41 year old. More impressed if he also scaled the pool wall.

You defend a person speaking to a young girl, but the person who chews a cigar should be removed from any establishment you frequent. Huh?

Uh, it's called sarcasm?

I do not think people chance much either. Looks like he committed battery on someone in Reno, Nevada in 2004.

I actually missed reading the news article about exactly what happened in the pool.

What did the man say to the 9 year old? Did he touch her in any way? How did it evolve into a fistfight? Any chance of it being a mistake by the perception of the grandfather before the confrontation?

I appreciate you standing up for him, but I would like chatbrat to say that. He has said some pretty outlandish things in the past. This is not the appropriate topic for sarcasm. I think If it was his grandchild or child, he (and maybe you) would agree.

WOW ..... I can not beleve the number of people who are not focused on the real issue !
Hitting on a 9 year old girl !
At that point does it matter if the man was 19 or 41 really !

Hitting on a 9 year old girl is just flat out wrong !

I believe the grand father was right to defend his grand daughter, personally if I was there at the time I would help the grand father !

It is not clear he was hitting on the girl. From the news report it looks like he was insisting that he had a right to talk to the kids and the grandfather took issue with this. I certainly would be very protective of a niece or nephew in this situation. But, it is not reported what this 41 year old was talking with the kids about. It sounded like he was talking to a group of kids?

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This is from the other Villages news online source.

:ho:Amen!!!

Guess no-one got my sarcasm, a slob is entitled to his space, but a person talking to a child isn't

True. Even if he was asking if they liked the temperature of the pool or some other innocent question?

The news report I saw does not really give enough facts to justify the statement that the 41 year old was hitting on the three girls.

Sorry my legal training comes in as I was trained to think like a defense lawyer among other things like judge and prosecutor.

They should have him on hitting the grandfather and taking off with cell phone though.

He probably had sleazy intentions towards the kids, but....

Creepy man.
 

I wonder how often he approaches young girls that are sitting with adults and has a fun conversation with the young girls. Sorry but this guy is just creepy.

:mademyday: "Lawyer and Sleazy in the same post. :1rotfl:

I doubt if he ever does this. It sounds like the girls were off at a separate portion of the pool away from the adults as there is no clear statement of what the actual conversation between the man and kids was.

All I am saying is that there is no evidence that he was hitting on these three girls from the available news reports.

And there are some rather nice retired lawyers here on TOTV. I know a few of them personally. I hope they will chime into this discussion.

I do think that the Florida and US Constitutions are still very important even in a situation like this. The man does sound creepy but "innocent before proven guilty" is still very important. Again, there is not clear evidence that he was "hitting on the girls". He did hit the grandfather and run off with the grandfather's cell phone.