Do good golfers enjoy the Executive courses?
 

By 'good' I mean a handicap of 10 or less, or maybe less than 15.

The courses look pretty nice on a map, but I am wondering how much you play them as compared to the par-72 courses. If you do enjoy the Exec courses, which ones do you prefer?

Which par-72 courses do you prefer? The Palmer course looks like it has great views but a lot of places to lose a golf ball, whereas the Glenview doesn't look as hard but a player would spend the whole day looking at the backs of houses, which can get kind of boring.

I enjoy them all! Index<8. The execs are rated 1-4 on difficulty. The 4 courses are plenty challenging, but the others have challenges as well. Sometimes I purposely hit one less club so I come up short to work on my chipping or sand play. Often I won't tee the ball up, just play it off the turf as if it was a fairway shot on a regular course. On some courses the tees are all about the same yardage if you stay with one set of tees, so I'll change tees to get different yardages and not hitting the same club on many holes.

On the regulation courses I don't see the backs of the houses, even though they're there. I've played many courses built within a development where the houses are much closer to the holes than here.

Great Post!! I'm in the same boat and have the same mindset.

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Pretty much sums up my approach. (I'm currently an 8 handicap, although I'm struggling to play to it lately! :) ) Good practice and lots of fun. I also often play without teeing the ball up, varying tees to vary distance, etc. Plus, I almost always walk the execs. Not so feasible on the champs. In the summer, I often start an exec course after 7:00pm and have no problem getting in nine. And of course the price is right! Can't beat it.

Well your comments come across as elitist. Its like asking if homely people can find love

I don't take the OP questions/comments as elitist, just asking a question to (possibly) like golfers.

OP...............welcome to ToTV................there are all types here.


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I don't take OP as elitist at all. (Looking a little too hard for bad stuff maybe?)

Dewilson:

The heading read: "do good golfers enjoy executive courses"

Res ipsa loquitur "the thing speaks for itself"

I did not attack the OP. I addressed my interpretation of the comments.

The OP is the moving party and it is the OP's right to question my comments. If the OP had I may have apologized but that's the message behind the words that I received.

So let's agree not to address one another, on this forum, in the future unless there is direct written contract by either of us.

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Finally

I have only played three of the execs, but I enjoy them. Par threes are statistically the hardest holes to score on and I consider it good for my game to play a lot of them. The only gripe I have here is that many of the bunkers on the courses I have played here are waaay too big for an executive track. If one enters at the low point, as etiquette dictates, it will often take them a couple of minutes to rake the bunker.

The Chickens's Handicap Index is 9.7, but as of late, his left knee handicap is a 36.

Try Pelican from the tips for a very difficult challenge.

Been playing for over 50 years...hndcp now is about a 2-3 on the championships(blue/white tees) and scratch or better on the exec's(from black or gold tees)...only played championships till I moved here a few years ago at age 58 because they didn't have exec's in Maine or Virginia when I played as a teenager...I really like the exec's for the time they take and they are in very fine condition for the most part...I still like the championships as they test more aspects of my game, but play hell with my lower back when I go more than 9 holes...you still have to hit the shots on exec's, but because I'm teed up for most of the round I rarely have full 2nd shots into the greens(except for the par 4's...and even then it's usually a wedge)...

I play mostly exec's for the time and fun factor...once the social sec kicks in(if it's still around)I'll play more championships, but will still play mostly exec's...

I think that the configuration of the bunkers on execs are the main contributor to slow play. The bunkers are generally too difficult for the skill level of most players (not all) JMHO. Many of the pin placements are likewise far too difficult for the skill levels of most exec players, I often think that the persons cutting holes has never played the game and have no understanding of how difficult the placemnets are.

I play execs often and mumble to myself alot,

Have to agree with Rubicon... All golfers here are good golfers, at least in their own mind..

Besides why would a good golfer have to worry about loosing his/her golf ball... :crap2:

we don't....we have to worry about wearing them out...:icon_wink:

I don't see too many really good golfers on the execs but who cares. I haven't played the oldest champs up north but the others are all pretty good especially at 5pm this time of year.

Thanks for all of the very good responses! I am glad you all enjoy the Exec courses. I looked more closely at the Pelican course, and I agree that it does seem to have some very challenging shots, as well as a lot of natural beauty.

Fred53, do you think riding a cart is bad for your back? Until this year, I almost never rode a cart, but now I am doing more riding and I find that as a passenger my back sometimes gets sore, probably because the driver goes too fast and it jars my back when they hit a bump. When I drive, I drive very slow.

Which Championship courses do you all like to play?

Thanks for all of your comments. I am glad to hear you all really enjoy playing the Exec courses.

Which Championship courses do you enjoy playing the most?

Fred53, do you think your sore back may be caused by riding in a cart too much? Until this year, I almost never rode a cart and, when I did, I drove very slow so I would not jar my back. This year, I rode a couple times with someone who drove too fast and then hit a bump, and my back did not like it.

As to OP's original question, my guess would be most people hate the execs. That's why they've only recorded a million rounds so far this year ( 1.8 million rounds on all courses together).

Ditto. Been playing for 45 years, did not play an "executive" course since I was 12 years old, my home course as a teenager was Bethpage Black and was lucky enough to get to play many of the great courses in the country. Unfortunately, I am still slowly recovering from a severely herniated and fragmented L4-5 disk 4 years ago that has left me with some permanent L leg nerve damage even though I'm only 56. I can't even THINK about walking a full course, sometimes it is hard to get thru a round.
Bought a house in TV early last year, have only occupied it for 6 weeks or so on and off, and just retired 5 weeks ago. My neighbor has a heart condition and plays execs for the walking, so I have played 2 or 3 times with him. I found the exec courses to be wonderful---surprisingly good conditions, good greens for the most part, and I was shocked to be able to walk the whole distance. Challenging?---can be---I looked at the course and thought this should be an easy 2 under---WRONG! as I limped (literally) in with a 6 over.
Am I a "good" golfer?--not anymore, was a +1 at one point, 21 after my injury, and have just worked it back to a 10. My wife has joint and muscle issues, she is a 2x club champion and now can't get thru 18, so we are glad there are so many execs, and this has changed my opinion of these courses in general. No, I still would prefer Bethpage, Winged Foot and Pinehurst #2 and hope to be able to handle them once again. Will still play mostly champ courses in TV, but it's great to have options, especially on bad back days.

And how the OP's question could be considered "elitist" is beyond me, unless he is a +2 asking a rhetorical question, which I doubt.

Challenger: Perhaps bunkers are a problem but not the main issue (s) for slow play. In fact i noticed some golfers because of maladies won't bother to hit out of a bunker. slow play is because people's heads aren't in the game they are in synch with other players. The guys I hook up play truly ready golf and there is not a lot of fiddling over the ball. I have played with some guys and they take forever at address so that your thoughts are "while I'm young" I have seen some folks socializing while their group has tees off then they go get their driver and have some sort of voodoo ritual then hit. Some never position their carts properly.

I often walk and carry and I never hold anyone up. If I am having a bad round then its in the pocket. I do follow all the rules of golf to my knowledge

Dear OP: In retrospect I regret my comments. Its not me because we were reared to understand the importance of humility and so one never flashes their wealth or their handicaps or their.......... Rereading your comments that was not your intent. I moved too quickly. My apology

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2 years ago I was a 24 handicap, now I am a 13. 2 years of great practice on executive courses. I play them all for 6 months a year. One of the great things is there is no handicap to post, so each shot I am just taking dead aim, no fear about scoring. Also great for walking. We are very lucky to have all these courses available to us!

Agree with you. Also not playing ready golf. For some reason many players just won't.

Wow...........we having a bad day?? Feels like you are talking to me directly and I'm not sure we have a written contract (your rule, not mine). Hope your day improves. Good news, it's FRIDAY!!

I like that description...............I am just taking dead aim, no fear about scoring. That can work for a lot of things in life. I think I need to have this quote posted in my house.

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In 45 years of playing this game, I think I've seen it all---from a "golfer" taking 3 minutes to line up and practice swing his 11th shot to driving over to an adjacent hole to start a 5 minute conversation with a friend.
Perhaps too many are taking cues from the pros---they think a pro is good because he takes extra time, when in reality he takes extra time because he is good. He also has to make a living at this game, and he conversation with his caddy is not about last night's performance at the Sharon.
I live on EP, and have watched golfers come to the tee with the hole open, stand on the tee have some kind of 5 min discussion, then walk back to their carts to get their drivers. They then hit 2 mulligans each, with 3 practice swings before each one, then repeat the process from the fairway. I could play that course from the black tees with a 7 iron and an umbrella and lap them, and most likely beat them as well. My only 2 questions for a group like that are 1) what game are you playing? and 2) do you play for money? I have also been tempted to hand out free copies of the rule book

Next time you see this group, wave at the group behind them..........I"M IN IT!!!!

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And I'm 2 holes back with 4 foursomes on par 4. I can't see why people get angry with an ambassador, unless they are that first group :ohdear:

On occasion I've seen a few good golfers on the executive courses who seem to breeze right through the course at lightning speed. I was always under the impression championship courses are for the most experienced golfers due to distance and difficulty and executive courses are designed at different levels to build players ability.

I don't think so. Champs are just as easy if you play from the "Friendly Tees" and depending on the hole maybe even easier.

Last year I went to a family reunion where the guys golf everyday. Well most of the guys don't golf very much at all back home. So the first time we got to the course I told everyone that where I live now the closest tees are not ladies only, in fact the closest tees are called "Friendly Tees" and since we are all friendly, on this vacation we will play from the closest tes. It was so much more fun for everyone that way.

The only difference between "good" golfers and the rest of us and the Championship or Executive courses is about 6 inches.......(average space between the ears!).

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I play both and enjoy them for different reasons. I always play the executive from the black tees and some of the courses are hard to score well on. Pelican, Redfish Run and a few others. My handicap goes up and down dramatically depending on how my back is feeling that day/month.

Thanks for the apology, Rubicon. In a discussion group like this, it is easy to misunderstand what a person says. I can understand if you visualized me sitting back in a soft chair, brandy in hand, and with my nose so high in the air that I would drown in a rainstorm.

As I said before, I am glad to hear how much you all enjoy the Exec courses, but it is too bad that the slow play of some people detracts from the experience.

Has anyone ever proposed a workable solution to the problem of slow play? For example, having a time when people are told they must play fairly quickly? Of course, then it has to be enforced, and that can cause hard feelings - at least that is what happened where I play.

It's addressed to the point of it sounding like a broken record with opinions all over the place just like any other thread. You have some in the "live and let live", life is too short side and others who would want fast play rigorously enforced by the ambassadors handing out red cards.

Where I'm from in South Jersey I think the public courses would overbook. The private courses until 10 years ago had a female policy about when women could play. It was an unusual course where the tee off times were on schedule and you finished 18 holes in around 4 hours. Down here, more than likely you might go out before your scheduled time. I can't remember being stalled on the first tee, teeing off late because of slow play. Considering all the beginners, they must be doing something right.

There are ambassadors, but they don't really have any on the spot enforcement authority. They are supposed to have a slow group pick up and move to the next tee, but apparently get very little backing from TV golf. I suppose if there is a chronic offender, or someone routinely rude to the ambassador, someone higher up the food chain may deal with it.
We could require mandatory "good golf school", but it will probably fall on deaf ears. There are those, not many, who feel "entitled" to hold everyone else up to play slow, or talk, or repeat shots because "they paid for it", like everyone else didn't. These people are everywhere, just lucky not so much in TV

Weather?
 

Rather than a "hate" of the execs, could all the reduced play on all courses together possibly be attributable more to this year's weather? I don't know of too many who like to play on courses with roped off holes due to excess water or 106-degree heat indices. This summer has been brutal! (Not any too safe or advisable for the aging population, meaning 60+, either.)

Nancy Lopez once remarked that she was glad that she didn't have to play Pelican on tour!:)

Weather?
 

Rather than a "hate" of the execs, could all the reduced play on all courses together possibly be attributable more to this year's weather? I don't know of too many who like to play on courses with roped off holes due to excess water or 106-degree heat indices. This summer has been brutal! (Not any too safe or advisable for the aging population, meaning 60+, either.)

Nancy Lopez once remarked that she was glad that she didn't have to play Pelican on tour!:)

I think Mulligan might have been employing some sarcasm in his post.
1.8 million total rounds and not even 2/3 way through the year puts TV on track for the usual 3 million rounds

Ah so, missed it. Oops.

Dunno why mine posted twice, either. Sorry.:ohdear:

Dear dewilson:

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Guess I am having a bad day I meant to keyboard " contact" and instead keyboarded " contract" Perhaps Saturday will be better

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