A peek into one of the side agreements today??
 

On the news today it was announced what the content of one of the side agreements is.

Iran will self inspect it's nuclear sites including the closed military sites where the suspected weapons are being developed. The IEAC or what ever the organization stated Iran is fully capable of handling the inspection WITHOUT ANY OUTSIDE participation.

Are we witnessing the actual who is the biggest dumb a$$ leader and negotiator on the planet?

Never trust the word of your enemy

One of the commentators said it would be like letting the prison inmates run the prison!

Does this really surprise anyone? Either Obama is really stupid or he is deliberately attempting to destroy America. :ohdear:

Look, I get it that the democrats who frequent this forum have a built in defense mechanism with this President, as the Republicans on this forum have one. BUT...

PLEASE tell me honestly.....this is absurd.

One of the big issues with Iran for a few years has been the military installation in Parchin. Always was the lead in every story about Iran and nukes. Was on the lips of everyone before negotiations began.

Then we have this deal, and nobody tells the people that there are secret deals......it had to be found out.....no honest man in the admin would tell us that...

Then we find out there are secret deals, but we are told they are no big deal....

PLEASE read this and tell everyone how you can possibly support this man any longer, certainly how can you possible defend this deal.


"All IAEA member countries must give the agency some insight into their nuclear programs. Some are required to do no more than give a yearly accounting of the nuclear material they possess. But nations- like Iran - suspected of possible proliferation are under greater scrutiny that can include stringent inspections.

The agreement in question diverges from normal procedures by allowing Tehran to employ its own experts and equipment in the search for evidence of activities it has consistently denied - trying to develop nuclear weapons.

Olli Heinonen, who was in charge of the Iran probe as deputy IAEA director general from 2005 to 2010, said he could think of no similar concession with any other country.

The White House has repeatedly denied claims of a secret side deal favorable to Tehran. IAEA chief Yukiya Amano told Republican senators last week that he was obligated to keep the document confidential.

Iran has refused access to Parchin for years and has denied any interest in - or work on - nuclear weapons. Based on U.S., Israeli and other intelligence and its own research, the IAEA suspects that the Islamic Republic may have experimented with high-explosive detonators for nuclear arms.

• The IAEA has cited evidence, based on satellite images, of possible attempts to sanitize the site since the alleged work stopped more than a decade ago.

News from The Associated Press

And liberals think Palin is dumb? Wow, we have the first in American history. We have the stupidest idiot administration in history. Quick, lets make it worst and elect Hilary. Oh yeah, that's a great idea. Let the prisoners guard the prisons. This country definitely needs to do a better job of vetting our potential leaders. We are in deep doo doo.

I don't want to think this ~ but it is harder and harder to ignore. :(

This report by the Associated Press has been totally debunked and pulled from their website. Just waiting for corrections to be posted by the OP and other contributors.

Meanwhile, President Obama is getting closer to his 34 vote margin needed to sustain his veto when Senator Clair McCaskell (D-MO) announced today that she supports the Iran deal and will vote yes.

Even though she is from MO, she still isn't the brightest light on the Christmas tree.

Would you mind providing a link to the "debunked?" Thank you. I will try to google it.

Proof? Or is this more fantasy from the left? Everything I see is that this is a side deal between Iran and IAEA. I've Googled it and see nothing to support your claim that it was debunked.

I do see where Iran has already been shopping in Russia for ballistic missile systems. Since we plan to return their billions to them, I guess we can thank that great "deal" that Speed Boat Kerry arranged with Iran.

BREAKING: Nuclear Stuff Really Complicated

Is the article still posted on the Associated Press website or not?

Yep, still there:

AP Exclusive: UN to let Iran inspect alleged nuke work site

I guess someone was wrong?

News from The Associated Press


Different article now up stating that democrats have the votes to sustain an Obama veto.

No one ever claimed that Democrats were very bright. They are oblivious to the idea that they win and America loses. Oh well, they have to live (or die) with it. They deserve everything they get. Even when their egos get them in trouble, they still blame the Republicans.

Who cares if it is a bad deal? The left wins and that's all that counts.

Why in the world do you make yourself look like a fool ?

The story was not debunked and as far as I know the only website, that infamous blogger VOX, took issues with the HEADLINE used.

In my original post on this where I cut and pasted and referenced this article, I was VERY clear at that outset of that post....and this is what I said..

"One of the big issues with Iran for a few years has been the military installation in Parchin. Always was the lead in every story about Iran and nukes. Was on the lips of everyone before negotiations began."


These were my words and not part of the AP story. If you knew ANYTHING about the world, you would know...This site has a history and one robust with secrets and denials.

Before this story on AP broke about the secret deals, let me share with you a CBS report from mid July.

"The IAEA has long sought to inspect sites like the Parchin military base where Iran is suspected to be engaging in nuclear weapons development, but Iran has denied them access."

Also part of that story is this quoting our President...

"When President Obama hailed the Iran nuclear agreement on television Tuesday morning, he said the said it would usher in an era of unprecedented access to Iran's nuclear facilities.

"Inspectors will also be able to access any suspicious location. Put simply, the organization responsible for the inspections, the IAEA, will have access where necessary, when necessary," the president said."


Obama says inspectors get access to "any" site in Iran. Is it true? - CBS News
The story has not even close to being "debunked" as you call it.

This is the story on AP as of today and to me, the most important part...

"VIENNA (AP) — Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press."

AP Exclusive: UN to let Iran inspect alleged nuke work site

Now I have linked and copied as much as I have time to do, and it shows that you either deliberately lied in your post or just do not understand what is happening.

It also appears that the President of the United States is a bit of a fibber as well.

He has over and over again said that Iran will not get a secret deal that is favorable.

I think any sane person would agree this is MORE than favorable to Iran. To allow them to do their own inspection on a MILITARY facility, long rumored to be the center of their nuke program well before any discussion even began, actually I think the last time this place was ALLOWED to be inspected was in 2005.

On your statement about the President getting close to the votes needed to shut down an override on a veto. BE PROUD....our President has negotiated perhaps the most single important deal with Iran, and requires to get the votes on an over ride of our congress to get it. Sound familiar....it is eerily like the Obama care debate where BOTH parties had dissenters......and in both cases the rules needed to be manipulated in order to get their way.

It is scary and that you would allow yourself to stoop to a level that you think misconstruing a news story of substance tells everyone a lot about you.

You have criticized the posters on here for not understanding human rights, etc, yet you insult them with lies and distortion like your post.

:thumbup: :clap2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

First, I didn't post the post about debunking the AP article. The above is really long. However, it gives you the history of conflict between Iran and IAEA.

Apply a little common sense, if possible. Given the history between the two why would the IAEA give Iran anything that it wants, especially after the P5plus1 agreement with Iran. The IAEA is now going to look the other way, so Iran can cheat on the agreement that took close to two years to agree upon. How does that make any sense?

Well, whomever, you are once again changing the subject for some inexplicable reason.

Nobody has criticized the IAEA.

Here is my take and my criticism.

1. Iran has not allowed anyone in the world to inspect Parchin since I think 2005. It has been the subject of much suspicion.

2. We enter into negotiations with Iran and are told there will be no concessions that will be good for Iran.

3. We find out because of the media that there are secret agreements. If they don't break it, we never know.

4. But we are assured...nothing here to see.

5. NOW, because of the media, not our administration, that there is an agreement that Iran will conduct inspection of their own military installation that has been the subject of years of confrontation

You are turning this as if there is some kind of criticism of IAEA. My problem is with this administration who knew all this and said not one word to anyone. My problem is that we negotiated as we are told the best deal possible and this little tidbit is not discussed.

Please do not be insulting to talk about the IAEA....that is not the point at all and never was. Why you make it that is beyond me.

From the WIKI link that I suppose was to appease how I feel about this new secret deal relative to Parchin

"In November 2011, IAEA officials identified a "large explosive containment vessel" inside Parchin.[193] The IAEA later assessed that Iran has been conducting experiments to develop nuclear weapons capability.[194]"

"On 24 February 2012, IAEA Director General Amano reported to the IAEA Board of Governors that high-level IAEA delegations had met twice with Iranian officials to intensify efforts to resolve outstanding issues, but that major differences remained and Iran did not grant IAEA requests for access to the Parchin site, where the IAEA believes high-explosives research pertinent to nuclear weapons may have taken place."

AUGUST 2012....still from the same link...

"The report also expressed concerns over Parchin, which the IAEA has sought to inspect for evidence of nuclear weapons development. Since the IAEA requested access, "significant ground scraping and landscaping have been undertaken over an extensive area at and around the location," five buildings had been demolished, while power lines, fences, and paved roads were removed, all of which would hamper the IAEA investigation if it were granted access.[212]"

NOVEMBER 2012

"The November report noted that Iran has continued to deny the IAEA access to the military site at

• Parchin

. Citing evidence from satellite imagery that "Iran constructed a large explosives containment vessel in which to conduct hydrodynamic experiments" relevant to nuclear weapons development, the report expresses concern that changes taking place at the Parchin military site might eliminate evidence of past nuclear activities, noting that there had been virtually no activity at that location between February 2005 and the time the IAEA requested access. Those changes include:

Frequent presence of equipment, trucks and personnel.
Large amounts of liquid run-off.
Removal of external pipework.
Razing and removal of five other buildings or structures and the site perimeter fence.
Reconfiguration of electrical and water supply.
Shrouding of the containment vessel building.
Scraping and removal of large quantities of earth and the depositing of new earth in its place.[218][221]"

NO NEED TO LINK..if you just click on the poster who believes this is no problem you can read all of it.

You are turning this as if there is some kind of criticism of IAEA. My problem is with this administration who knew all this and said not one word to anyone. My problem is that we negotiated as we are told the best deal possible and this little tidbit is not discussed.

Please do not be insulting to talk about the IAEA....that is not the point at all and never was. Why you make it that is beyond me.

The AP article mentioned the IAEA over twenty times. Why would anybody with a brain think that the secret agreements between IAEA and Iran were a problem? Of course, those of you think that this administration is responsible for all the sins of the world insulting you with facts, is a total waste of time. Wake up to what you are!

"Of course, those of you think that this administration is responsible for all the sins of the world insulting you with facts, is a total waste of time. Wake up to what you are![/QUOTE]"

I hope you don't mind if I type this in BOLD print, hoping against hope that you might understand it.

YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS DISCUSSING THE IAEA.

I AM SPEAKING OF THE CONCESSION GIVEN IN A SECRET DEAL TO ALLOW THIS KIND OF INSPECTION ON THE VERY SITE THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR YEARS.

I AM SPEAKING OF A PRESIDENT WHO ASKED CONGRESS TO OK A DEAL WHEN HE WAS NOT HONEST ABOUT IT AND HAD PROMISED THIS "KIND OF STUFF"...IE., CONCESSIONS TO IRAN...WOULD OCCUR.

AND BY THE WAY, "THIS ADMINISTRATION" IS THE ONLY ADMINISTRATION INVOLVED.

GET OFF THE IAEA. NOBODY IS DISCUSSING THAT. WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTION THAN TO TRUST THEM.

AND if you were presenting facts relative to the discussion, I would be shocked. Start a thread concerning trusting the IAEA and Iran. THAT is not what this is about....THIS IS ABOUT SECRET DEALS OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE.

AND by the way, I know exactly who I am and who I am not.

I will not be bullied by you, and will deal with facts, not your conjecture OR your spin of facts.

You just ignore what is not comfortable and discuss what pleases you.

So refrain from trying to change the subject of this thread which is about secret deals that were kept from the american voters and congress.

If you want to start a thread speaking of how you love secret deals like this, then please do.

In the meantime, do not ever tell me to "Wake up to what you are!" I have supported our President on many occasions, not that you care, but I support NOBODY BLINDLY and I have no love for party as you do, so do not lecture me...you make yourself look silly.

On the news today it was announced what the content of one of the side agreements is.

Iran will self inspect it's nuclear sites including the closed military sites where the suspected weapons are being developed. The IEAC or what ever the organization stated Iran is fully capable of handling the inspection WITHOUT ANY OUTSIDE participation.

Are we witnessing the actual who is the biggest dumb a$$ leader and negotiator on the planet?

This is the first post on this thread. Nobody is talking about the IAEA except the person that started the thread. Dealing with facts is totally foreign to you. You try to bully people with your foolish capitalization, bold print, and enlarged print.

The person that you jumped all over concerning the AP pulling their article wasn't lying. The AP pulled the article, and then reinstated it. How was he suppose to know the AP was going to reinstate the article?

AND if you were presenting facts relative to the discussion, I would be shocked. Start a thread concerning trusting the IAEA and Iran. THAT is not what this is about....THIS IS ABOUT SECRET DEALS OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE

The only secret deals are the ones between the IAEA and Iran. What secret deals of major importance are you talking about?

This administration believes in "leading from behind." Anyone with an education, understands that means "following." You are the one that needs to wake up if you are content with the way this administration is run. If anything, the administration is "leading" us down the path of destruction.

AND by the way, I know exactly who I am and who I am not.

I will not be bullied by you, and will deal with facts, not your conjecture OR your spin of facts.

You just ignore what is not comfortable and discuss what pleases you

THIS IS ABOUT SECRET DEALS OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE

What secret deals of major importance are you talking about?

The plain is simple fact is facts are the last thing that you want to talk about. Why? To quote Chairman Boehner "It's just to Hard!"

This post is simply a confusing mess, and I have no clue...

If it helps, we are discussing the secret deal concerning Iran doing self inspection. That seems straight forward and factual.

All posts discussing this have had not only quotes, but links to validate. Lots of facts in the supplied reading material.

So, this mess of a post makes no sense.

Goggle!!:1rotfl: Now that liberal left run orginazation. Google, fb, an probably tweed, all are liberal ran businesses I place to steal you private cyber information, selling it, and pushing the liberal base agenda. I have my droughts about wiki also?

If it helps, we are discussing the secret deal concerning Iran doing self inspection.

Go back and read each post. The secret deals were between the IAEA and Iran. When I brought up the IAEA, I was told that I was changing the subject. The person went so far as capitalizing the following THIS IS ABOUT SECRET DEALS OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE. He capitalized that sentence to make sure I understood what the thread was about. So, I ask the question that he could not dance around. What secret deals of major importance are you talking about?

The person that I am directing the question to has a habit of telling people that they are changing the subject. When, in fact, they are addressing the subject, nut not to his satisfaction. When he sees something that he can not defend, he will try to divert attention by putting the other person on the defensive. When that doesn't work, he will not answer the question that is directed to him.

Does that clear up the mess! If it doesn't please tell me, how placing the IAEA in this discussion was not appropriate.

oK...I am the guy you are quick to criticize and know what I am or whatever.

This thread was about discovery of the ingredients of one of the secret deals allowed to happen in the Iran pact. NONE of the secret deals were given to the american public, and were discovered by the media.

We ALL KNEW who who would be involved in the inspections....always knew...always has been the IAEA. Never been anybody else. Not a subject brought up except by you.

OK....Since the contents of the secret deals involved in our agreement with Iran were not even disclosed as to their existence, hearing the contents of one of those deals which allows Iran to self inspect WAS THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD


The IAEA has always been the inspector in this situation. ALWAYS....a known factor.

WHAT WAS NOT INITIALLY WAS THAT THERE WERE SECRET DEALS !

One of the most discussed issues with this deal has been inspections, NOT WHO WOULD DO THEM, but the supposed lead time of 24 days. We always knew WHO !

Our President said that we could inspect anytime, anywhere we wanted.

Now, the contents of one of the secret deals reveals that Iran will self inspect.

THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD. We all know and have known WHO would do inspecting until we were told that Iran could self inspect.

I hope you understand now that the IAEA is a known factor, not in the news except as the inspector. Our country, along with others allowed secret deals.....and one of them to allow self inspection after being told what we were told.

I hope this is clear. IAEA is not the story or the thread. The story and the thread is about discovering that ONE of the secret deals was self inspection OF A SITE THAT HAS NOT BEEN INSPECTED SINCE 2005.

This might but probably not based on your previous posts, but lets try and see if this makes you understand why the OP began this discussion which you seem intent on changing...

"“This establishes the exact precedent that Iran always sought and repeatedly claimed: IAEA weapons inspectors will never get physical access into any military sites,” says sanctions expert Mark Dubowitz in an email. “That the Obama administration agreed to Iranian self-inspections tells you everything you need to know about how far it caved on the essential elements of a verifiable and enforceable nuclear agreement.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...y-humiliating/

And this from the same link...maybe you understand that the OP had concerns

"With self-inspection comes the open door for Iran to cheat with impunity. The AP report continues:

The Parchin deal is a separate, side agreement worked out between the IAEA and Iran. The United States and the five other world powers that signed the Iran nuclear deal were not party to this agreement but were briefed on it by the IAEA and endorsed it as part of the larger package. Without divulging its contents, the Obama administration has described the document as nothing more than a routine technical arrangement between Iran and the U.N.’s International Atomic Energy Agency on the particulars of inspecting the site."

This information flies in the face of what our President told us

"When President Obama hailed the Iran nuclear agreement on television Tuesday morning, he said the said it would usher in an era of unprecedented access to Iran's nuclear facilities.

"Inspectors will also be able to access any suspicious location. Put simply, the organization responsible for the inspections, the IAEA, will have access where necessary, when necessary," the president said."

Obama says inspectors get access to "any" site in Iran. Is it true? - CBS News

Now the President as he always does uses language to allow him some "wiggle room". This deal was to be open and unfettered for congress and the american people.

This is why...

"Most Americans say Congress should reject the international deal brokered by the Obama administration over Iran's nuclear program, according to a CNN/ORC International poll released Thursday.

A majority, 56 percent, want lawmakers to reject the deal, up slightly from the 52 percent who voiced that position in the same poll last month. Forty-one percent say Congress should accept the deal.


Poll: Majority want Congress to reject Iran nuclear deal | TheHill

I also remember when the general public was against the ACA and the so called representives of we the people did it anyway!

Done almost in the same way !!!

This will probably get voted down and then vetoed and then the veto overiddn.

ACA Harry Reid had to change and manipulate the senate rules in order to get close to passing it and it just made it.

No problem....two very important issues handled the same way.

BOTH americans did not want but they got them anyway.

That's how tyranny works. Have to say though, that if there was no threat of being charged with being racist, a lot of what happens out of the White House would not be tolerated. I'd say that Obama gets somewhat of a pass on accountability.

IAEA says report Iran to inspect own military site is 'misrepresentation' | Reuters

Are you that naïve to think the press got this on its own? That this wasn't a selective leak to a news organization that people trust. Look at the timing of the leak. You don't think for a second that the Republicans didn't have their hands in this.

Every tactic above or below the belt is being used by both parties. Every Republican congressman was against the deal before they even saw it. They are trying to justify their actions by spreading fear real or imaged. If you can't see that, you aren't looking.

The IAEA has access to all Iran's nuclear sites. They will be preparing a report by year end. If you trust them, what is the problem?

U.S. Nuclear Scientists Praise 'unprecedented' Iran Deal :: Southern Maryland Community Forums

Nuclear scientists don't have a problem with the 24 days, but what do they know! We have a habit of not listening to scientists anyway. What do they know! This letter is a Democratic ploy to offset the Republican ploy.

This forum is all about discussing thus lets discuss.

According to news reports, well from AP themselves, they were the first to see and report, thus if you are calling AP liars, then so be it, but if you are doing so, then I think you need to be able to substantiate that since it has been reported that everyone, including Republicans got this from the AP report.

DO YOU HAVE SUBSTANTIATION FOR YOUR ACCUSATION ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BEING A PARTY TO THIS ?

Ok while we wait for your link or whatever you back up is, lets discuss the realities of your link.

It does not say that the IAEA will have access to PARCIN as they have been seeking for years...it says this..

"The IAEA, which says it takes no information at face value, has repeatedly asked for fresh, direct access to Parchin."

At no time does it say they have been given access to Parchin.

Lets stop for a minute. The American people and the congress were told all along, from the beginning that inspection would be ..well, in the Presidents words....

""Inspectors will also be able to access any suspicious location. Put simply, the organization responsible for the inspections, the IAEA, will have access where necessary, when necessary,"

THAT IS NOT TRUE. I WOULD be open to reading where you find that the IAEA has access to Parchin, and actually would welcome that news. Been 10 years since anyone was allowed there.

You said..."The IAEA has access to all Iran's nuclear sites. "

CAN YOU SUPPLY JUST ONE, SIMPLE ONE LINK THAT SAYS THEY WILL EVER HAVE ACCESS TO PARCHIN ?

I know you cannot do that , thus your entire premise here is flawed.

Bottom line is that the administration made claims that are not true, kept secret deals secret (if that is a good sentence) and it appears that we still will not get to see Parchin despite the President saying that nothing would be done that would give Iran any advantage.

Listen, this is a big deal and it is exactly like the ACA. For the ACA, Harry Reid had to manipulate the Senate rules to narrowly pass it. A bill that the majority of Americans opposed. And, in getting it passed, our President mocked everyone who spoke out in anyway against it.

For this, well over 50% of all Americans oppose it. He will have it defeated by congress, veto it and then have the veto overridden in a close vote. Once again, after mocking anyone opposed.

And your own mocking attitude is noted. I am "looking" although you say I am not. I have posted on all the bad points about it....and here is what is quite interesting to me...

You folks never ever discuss those kind of things...you simply find a link, and then MISREPRESENT IT ON HERE with no specifics. You call out Republicans yet never mention the democrats who oppose it. SO DO NOT TELL ME I AM NOT LOOKING. It is you who have your eyes closed.

From a scientific standpoint, this may be a good groundbreaking agreement. I have no idea.

American people are concerned about things that you folks who come on here and spout political verbage, up to now, have not chosen to discuss.

Discuss the money going back into the coffers of the worlds leading sponsor of terrorism especially those who seek to destroy Israel, as they do.

Discuss the ongoing deals already in place for Russia to sell now to Iran since no sanctions ICBM's.

Discuss how the world, especially someone like Russia, handles any breakdowns in the deal.

Discuss how this deal is to the distinct advantage of all countries involved except ours.

Discuss how we keep all other countries in the ME from beginning their own programs now to keep up, BECAUSE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS INSURES THAT IRAN WILL FOR SURE GET NUKES...JUST DELAYS THE TIMING.

I pray it works because I am afraid it will not be stopped but you folks are being very dishonest with these links and posts. You are like the President...ignore what the majority of Americans want, mock those REPUBLICANS who oppose it...seems Democrats get a break for some reason....ignore what this deal says to our ally Israel.....

well, you folks have your instructions and will not talk about it....so be it.

God bless YOUR children and grandchildren should there be any problems with this deal, including all the secret parts.

And please, do not give the only alternative is war...That is so ridiculous it is hard to comment on. READ a bit although you think I am not reading...READ what the current sanctions were doing and how that got them to the table and those sanctions were put there to STOP Iran from getting a nuke, NOT SIMPLY DELAY.