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Guest 08-21-2015 08:21 AM

Donald Trump and gangs of illegal aliens.
 
Anyone have any good data on how many gang members are actually illegal aliens? My guess is that there are quite a few gang members who are undocumented aliens near the border with Mexico in those cities/towns near there but quite a bit fewer near cities like Ferguson, Detroit, Chicago, New York City, Baltimore, Minneapolis, etc.

The Donald often does not get the facts before spouting his hatred. :read:

Guest 08-21-2015 08:51 AM

Why don't you do some research before slurring someone? We had trouble in Charlotte, NC with Latino gang members that were illegal aliens. Do you think that they don't use cars to get to other cities? Sorry if that infringes on your ideal situation of recruiting more liberal votes.

Guest 08-21-2015 08:56 AM

Mara Salvatrucha or MS-13, has spread throughout the U.S.—to at least 42 states—and continues expanding. Predominantly Salvadorian illegals.

Guest 08-21-2015 08:58 AM

Illegal Immigrant Gangs Commit Most U.S. Crime - Judicial Watch

Guest 08-21-2015 08:59 AM

Trump spouting hatred, OR truth?

Guest 08-21-2015 09:03 AM

I lived in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas for 4 winters and Casa Grande, Arizona and the violence, gangs and welfare abuse in these area are way worse than the news media will tell us. Try reading several of the city newspapers on-line for the truth. Try Brownsville, McAllen, Laredo and El Paso Texas. Do the same for any border town. Also, the last time I was there, there are 4 ft X 8 ft signs around Organ Pipe National Park advising the locals to stay out because of a high concentration of "Illegal Immigrants". I also canoed the Rio Grande River before Obama became President and it is littered beyond imagination from the illegal crossings. The canoe trips have also been stopped. That's why I now live here, I first wanted to live near Brownsville, Texas.

Guest 08-21-2015 09:17 AM

Ah yes the truth! Not in the opposition's consideration as it is excluded from the daily talking points and not on the list of what they can talk about.

And the first hand living with the gangs that is for sure a no-no as it does validate a concern we should all have.

Those who spew in favor of illegals....or against doing anything to control the flow of illegals are nothing more than partisan loyalists, try to address the illegal issue intellectually (at times a real challenge!) or ideologically (which does not require any validation). Why? Because they have nothing personally invested or to lose by backing the party line no matter what.

Totally and completely disconnected from the true reality of the existing threat and it's uncontrolled growth in America!!

Guest 08-21-2015 09:20 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1102607)
Anyone have any good data on how many gang members are actually illegal aliens? My guess is that there are quite a few gang members who are undocumented aliens near the border with Mexico in those cities/towns near there but quite a bit fewer near cities like Ferguson, Detroit, Chicago, New York City, Baltimore, Minneapolis, etc.

The Donald often does not get the facts before spouting his hatred. :read:

I think you might want to check your facts on this.

In the Ferguson area, the country government is working on legislation to prevent illegal hiring and last I read, there were about 60,000 illegals in the area.

Detroit, Chicago, NYC, Baltimore and Minn are hotbeds of illegal immigration frankly.

Guest 08-21-2015 09:21 AM

I can assure you there are plenty of illegals in Minneapolis and in the entirety of Minnesota. The capitol city, St. Paul, and Mpls are sanctuary cities, as is Worthington.

From November, 2014: <snip>Two new estimates place the number of immigrants living illegally in Minnesota at more than 90,000.<snip>

Minnesota's population of undocumented immigrants flat in recent years - StarTribune.com

Personally, I think they are woefully undercounted.

Minnesota has a lot of meatpacking industries that have historically drawn many immigrants, legal and illegal. Swift & Co. in Worthington was raided by ICE in 2006. There were many arrests.

Guest 08-21-2015 11:03 AM

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-data-back-it/

An actual article.

Guest 08-21-2015 11:08 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1102631)
Why don't you do some research before slurring someone? We had trouble in Charlotte, NC with Latino gang members that were illegal aliens. Do you think that they don't use cars to get to other cities? Sorry if that infringes on your ideal situation of recruiting more liberal votes.

http://www.wcnc.com/story/news/crime...ndup/27647697/

How many of these have home towns listed outside of the US?

Guest 08-21-2015 12:24 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1102734)
FBI cracks down on MS-13 street gang

How many of these have home towns listed outside of the US?

30 US home towns
7 non US

Guest 08-21-2015 12:46 PM

Of course, us liberals want murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc. around so that can vote for us! They only murder, rape. molest, etc. Republicans. Right?

Guest 08-21-2015 12:48 PM

Of course, us liberals want murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc. around so that they can vote for us! They only murder, rape. molest, etc. Republicans. Right?

Kind of the logic I find on some rabid Republican web-sites.

Guest 08-21-2015 01:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1102788)
Of course, us liberals want murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc. around so that they can vote for us! They only murder, rape. molest, etc. Republicans. Right?

Kind of the logic I find on some rabid Republican web-sites.

Are you admitting that you are a liberal troll? Do you frequent a lot of Republican websites?

Let's face it, liberals do want to allow illegals the right to vote, legally or otherwise. They do not want voter ID, because fraud might be detected. If they had nothing to hide, then why not voter ID? You cannot find me one person in the U.S. that votes, that does not have an ID of some sort, so please don't insult us by accusing us of "disenfranchising" the minorities. That's just saying that minorities are stupid.

As far as your wild claim that we think that liberals want murderers, rapists, etc to vote because they will vote left, that is typical liberal troll talk. No one said that. So get over it.

Guest 08-22-2015 08:24 AM

TOTV is a web-site that has Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and others.

Guest 08-22-2015 08:31 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1103109)
TOTV is a web-site that has Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and others.

Yes, and those "others" are outside the Villages trolls.

Guest 09-01-2015 10:58 PM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 1102607)
Anyone have any good data on how many gang members are actually illegal aliens? My guess is that there are quite a few gang members who are undocumented aliens near the border with Mexico in those cities/towns near there but quite a bit fewer near cities like Ferguson, Detroit, Chicago, New York City, Baltimore, Minneapolis, etc.

The Donald often does not get the facts before spouting his hatred. :read:

Same old tired, and oh so predictable, liberal rhetoric .... when someone tells the truth and violates PC it's always "hatred"

Try some of these

-- Black Lives Matter is a genuine hate group

-- illegal immigration, without both legalization and assimilation into the dominant European culture (you know the one that made us great) is an invasion

-- Hillary Clinton is a desperately dishonest demagogue

Guest 09-02-2015 03:20 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1102656)
Ah yes the truth! Not in the opposition's consideration as it is excluded from the daily talking points and not on the list of what they can talk about.

And the first hand living with the gangs that is for sure a no-no as it does validate a concern we should all have.

Those who spew in favor of illegals....or against doing anything to control the flow of illegals are nothing more than partisan loyalists, try to address the illegal issue intellectually (at times a real challenge!) or ideologically (which does not require any validation). Why? Because they have nothing personally invested or to lose by backing the party line no matter what.

Totally and completely disconnected from the true reality of the existing threat and it's uncontrolled growth in America!!

Dear Guest: a well analyzed account. Well done.

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 09-02-2015 03:23 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1102646)
I lived in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas for 4 winters and Casa Grande, Arizona and the violence, gangs and welfare abuse in these area are way worse than the news media will tell us. Try reading several of the city newspapers on-line for the truth. Try Brownsville, McAllen, Laredo and El Paso Texas. Do the same for any border town. Also, the last time I was there, there are 4 ft X 8 ft signs around Organ Pipe National Park advising the locals to stay out because of a high concentration of "Illegal Immigrants". I also canoed the Rio Grande River before Obama became President and it is littered beyond imagination from the illegal crossings. The canoe trips have also been stopped. That's why I now live here, I first wanted to live near Brownsville, Texas.

Dear Guest: So what is it going to take to rid us of these undesirables?

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 09-02-2015 08:28 AM

Trump has done one thing that the other politicians have been afraid of, he has brought the illegal immigration and the border problems to the front burner and forced the other politicians to deal with it. He does deserve the credit for it. Also, he has actually been to the Mexican border, Obama has not.


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