What the heck in Syria
 

I am beginning to think that Putin's message to Obama was to tell him to stay out of the way.....

"Washington (CNN)Russia has conducted its first airstrike against ISIS in Syria, a Russian Defense Ministry spokesman said Wednesday.

The airstrike targeted ISIS military equipment, communications centers, vehicles and ammunition, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said, as part of pinpoint strikes against ISIS ground targets.

But a senior U.S. administration official told CNN's Elise Labott the Russian airstrike near the city of Homs "has no strategic purpose" in terms of combating ISIS, which "shows they are not there to go after ISIL." ISIL is another acronym for ISIS."

Russia conducts airstrike in Syria - CNNPolitics.com

Now it seems they are not bombing ISIS but in actuality targets to help Assad stay in power.

Now, we, the USA say Assad must go over and over and over.

Putin said he was talking to Obama to invite him to join in a fight for ISIS, and he is bombing already.

This is a bit confusing...

RUSSIA has told the USA to stay out of the air !

We have allowed all of this to happen.

Obama's ever-changing foreign policy is to blame. Remember the 'red line' in Syria? Assad crossed it, and not a darn thing happened.

We all know Putin wants Russia to be a world power. Putin sees a vacuum in US leadership, and he means to fill it with Russian leadership.

This move has me worried, and praying for a Reagan-esque president in 2016.

Listening to McCain on MSNBC, I am concerned about something he said....

He claims that while Putin was going broke, OUR ALLIES, because of OUR lack of being involved in anything, those allies are in line buying arms from Russia. That includes Israel.

If anyone finds links to support this, please post them.

Secondly, Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC reports that the USA was notified of these air strikes by a mid level person rapping on the door of the embassy in Baghdad and telling them...hey, we are going to bomb in Syria...just letting you know. THAT strikes me as insulting as heck.

One example....not our ally...or at least I didnt think so....

"Washington (CNN)U.S. officials are concerned that Russia is moving ahead with plans to sell Iran a sophisticated missile defense system that could undercut Washington's ability to challenge Tehran's airspace."

U.S. concerned about Russian arms sales to Iran - CNNPolitics.com

Oddly enough....
 

"what the heck" is not an opinion and the nato nations allowed this to happen.

Do I think we should have done more? Yes. Do I think our president is a "Hugthemandtalktothem" person? Yes. Is our Bama a leader? No. He's a social visionary who believes if we're just nice and don't bother people all will be okay. Unfortunately he doesn't live in the "real" world, but one he would like to see, but isn't realistic in terms of human nature...he belongs @ a university...not the white house...

It is very definitely insulting. I've come to the conclusion Obie has no threshold at all for being embarrassed. He looked like a complete idiot at the UN compared to Putin.

It's like he smiles at Putin and says "here's the Vaseline"

Just for interest....

The news item on the notification of the USA....

"The United States was given one hour's notice before the strike took place, the official said. The notice was sent in Baghdad, where the Russians have set up a coordination unit with Iraq’s government. A high-ranking Russian officer there notified a U.S. military official at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, the U.S. official said."

U.S. official: Russia launches first Syria airstrike

And the news item on the notification of ISRAEL....

"Russia informed Israel ahead of its Wednesday airstrikes — the first it carried out in Syria — targeting rebel strongholds there, Israeli officials said.

About an hour before the aerial bombardment near Homs, Moscow contacted several senior Israeli officials, including National Security Adviser Yossi Cohen, to apprise them.


The advance notice was in keeping with an understanding reached between Israel and Russia last week, aimed at avoiding accidental confrontations between the two countries in Syrian airspace."

Russia notified Israel ahead of Syria airstrike | The Times of Israel

:agree: what an embarrassment. He can't leave D.C. fast enough.

Dear Guest:

One could ask the question as to what Obama meant on that open microphone when he told Putin's predecessor ( puppet) that he would have more flexibility after the presidential elections? One could also ask if the criticism of the Obama mistake of United States having 57 states was really not a mistake but a slip because there are after all 57 Arab States.

Obama is many disgraceful things but he is not dumb and he leans toward a European model (socialism) and clearly away from our American way of life.

I may be wrong but it looks like the nations he collaborated with to transform America to his liking have outplayed Obama.

Putin's efforts stalled at the Ukraine and he needed momentum for his push back to the status of super power and we have an obliging or useful idiot in the White House

Personal Best Regards:

FOUR YEARS.....FOUR YEARS

That is how long the USA has ignored the situation in Syria. During those 4 years, we huffed and puffed a few times, drew lines in the sand, but never did anything.

The dead as a result is so huge it cannot be calculated. DEATH AND DESTRUCTION caused by gassings, caused by bunker buster bombs.

We asked them to stop using all these things, and they said they would but they went back to it and are still using these weapons.

FOUR YEARS...FOUR YEARS

We said that Assad must go, but did nothing. And before those with the same response ask if I mean troops on the ground...not specifically because FOUR YEARS AGO, if we had armed the rebels Assad may be gone by now.

WHY did the President turn his back on ALL his advisors on this....WHY....

David Petraeus came up with a plan, I believe in 2012 to "that would have vetted, trained and armed selected opposition groups, which have been pleading for such U.S. support for more than a year. "

This plan was supported by everyone....Secy of State Clinton, Joint Chief of Staff and 100% of the advisors and our President rejected it.

The situation he ignored is the worst refugee situation since WW2.....the DEAD can literally not be counted the number is so huge. Many are simply thrown into huge pits when discovered.

Children gassed in the streets and hauled to a huge pit......shot down as they tried to escape.

They still are using the gas...Assad is still in charge and now he has Russia bombing on his behalf.

I can understand not wanting to put troops on the ground, but ignoring such terrible atrocities no matter where they might be is just not right.

Why did he do it...ignore and take NO action at all....

In 2013 NY Times wrote this article entitled..."Why did Mr. Obama overrule his advisors on Syria".....

from that article....

"So why was the Petraeus plan rejected? According to the Times, Mr. Petraeus and Ms. Clinton were rebuffed when they presented the plan to the White House. At the time, Mr. Obama was in the midst of an reelection campaign in which he frequently assured voters that “the tide of war is receding.” Hopes of reviving the plan after the election were thwarted when Mr. Petraeus resigned and Ms. Clinton was sidelined by illness.

Mr. Obama’s reasons for quashing the Syria plan were surely not purely political. But the president’s only public explanation for his resistance, in a recent interview with the New Republic, amounted to excuse-making. He wondered why he should concern himself with Syria and not the civil war in the Congo, as if the United States cannot intervene in any war unless it does in all; he asked whether providing weapons to rebels would “trigger even worse violence,” ignoring the testimony of his own aides that, under his present policy, the carnage “every day . . . it gets worse,” as new Secretary of State John F. Kerry put it.


This was written in 2013 mind you......

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How can we be lectured about right and wrong...about justice and injustice and ignore what has happened in Syria, not today......FOR FOUR YEARS

Not to worry - the Foreign Minister from Russia just announced at a news conference with Kerry that we both wanted to see a democratic Syria!. REALLY??? Russia wants a democratic Syria and Kerry didn't even flinch. God help us.

I had said before that Assad should stay in power because if ISIS is defeated it would leave a void of power and it would be filled with something. With Assad good or bad that wont happen. Look at Iraq.

We have had our nose bloodied for 13 years and Russia has forgotten their experience. Let them have a go at it. Actually we should butt out as we are not paying for this our grandchildren are.

You may be right, but what I have trouble with is the last four years and the murders and killing that went on....probably the most brutal thing since WW2, CERTAINLY the most blood shed and refugee situation.

And our talk of justice.......dont believe it any more. Our country is bad or worse as we could have stopped it and simply ignored it....gas, children...what a horrible situation.

Now, maybe you are right but I will never forgive our blase attitude toward this situation while we were preaching justice within our borders and ignoring that situation.

We pay to kill babies.....we pay for money for students IN INDONESIA to get degrees (I just read that)... so much other things and all this took was a commitent to training and we turned our back on such terrible terrible unspeakable suffering.

Now, we must just take what comes. We are not in the drivers seat any longer ...sad really.....did you read about Iran buying from Russia an air defense missle system to protect Iran from us. Iran gets richer, Russia gets stronger and more influential and you are right...it is time to just give it up.

I guess it is all up to your conscience.

Do we allow poisonous gas genocide and turn our heads the other way, and sacrifice what makes us America? Do we allow terrorism to survive and flourish, because we don't want to get involved? There are several choices, without having an all out war. We will be involved eventually, no matter how long we ignore it. It will come to us.

Sorry, your historical ignorance is showing ...

Weakness is dangerous and provocative ...

Obie is off the charts weak and limp wristed ...

To the contrary, he is putting our grandkids at a HUGE risk in ways that are predictable ...

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Thank you for the respectful and thought out reply to my post. Our country is so polarized now it is destroying us from within. This forum is a very good example of that. My big issue is we are not paying for any of this now just taking money from next generation with no sacrifice of our own to be in a conflict many want to escalate. When we have our kids in harms way in middle east and our so called leaders are spilling their guts to Fox news daily. This surely must amuse our enemies. There are retired military people drawing obcene pensions and critizing our every move this president tries to make. I see these people as no better than Edward Snowden.

I can't stand Obama but watching the situation unfold in Syria is too much even for me.

Obama is this innocent little baby lamb about to be consumed and shredded by a pack of vicious wolves

He doesn't even seem to realize how pathetic he (and thus America) looks!! WTF???

If you see retired military as no better than Snowden, that simply tells us you don't see very well at all. As in distorted or blind or who know what? You like respectful replies to your post but then bend over and insult retired vets? Nice job.

In the meantime, where and when did you serve?

When, if ever, will you stop complaining about the military and there pensions? This seems to be a common theme with you. You sound like a broken record.

I don't get the Fox News reference Indy way. Actually, I have no idea what you meant by that.

Each cable news network has hired retired military folks to give insights. Certainly not exclusive to Fox.

PLEASE, EXPLAIN WHAT LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY "SPILLED THEIR GUTS TO FOX NEWS ?

I seriously believe you made that up because it never happened.

Each network will interview current leaders, for sure, but your reference to Fox News, from my perspective says much about your stance, unless you can provide what the hey you are speaking of.

Generally speaking, liberals don't serve in the military...it's beneath them. They identify with the "what can your country do for you " crowd rather than the "what can you do for your country" crowd. JFK must be so proud.

I also suppose that you want no criticism of the guy in the WH no matter what ?

I refer to him as "the guy" because in the last 2 years I have lost all respect for the man.

Anyone who will sit idly and watch people slaughtered in Syria while lecturing others has not gained my respect.

Four years.....if you check back on this forum, there were thread begun about Syria. In one case about 18 months ago about the gassing and slaughtering of small children, and nobody, not one person here responded. This while discussing in great detail, people rioting in our streets because a policeman killed a young man who committed a crime, and those rioters judged (later to found wrong and the policeman right) the policeman instantly because he was white.

Yeah, folks were on here lecturing everyone, and then the President lectured us, while ignoring this slaughter.

There were threads on here calling out about Syria, which were actually laughed at.

I suppose the Justice we want has limitations....kill who you want, as long as they are not black, and they are across the globe fighting for their own Justice.

It really gets old, and your problem is Fox News ?

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You mean that ALL live matter ???

Occam Razor Who is Obama's top advisor? Whom does he listen to more than even his wife, his staff, his generals? Why Valerie Jarett of course. And what is Valerie Jarett's nationality Iranian of course. This is such a well established fact that reported have been known to kid one another by saying if you want answers skip Obama and go directly to Jarett

So has Obama's actions over these last 8 years really been a mystery. Really!

Personal Best Regards:

I have to agree with you on that ... you have a point in the liberals skate as oppose to serve. Plus, they don't like guns :)

It's a lot easier for them to cover up cowardice by saying they oppose guns and killing. Although, killing babies is OK.

Mr President push over leading us all right into WW III. Hope all the libs warn their kids and grand kids. It's coming and most of us whose heads aren't buried you know where know it. Most disgraceful President in U.S history

It's not beneath them. They are scared

Yep this person had the option to go In the military for minimum of 20 years, go were you were told, rotate overseas without family, work till the job done, and like it. But, the coward didn't. i would mention some other obscene pensions but I won't go there.

The United States calls the Russian move in Syria a "strategic blunder"

"There is no ambiguity now about Russia's current tactics in Syria -- they are seeking to take over the airspace in the region and be the agenda-setting force on the ground, several senior administration officials told CNN.

"Yesterday's demarche to the U.S. by Russian officials in Baghdad was clear in its intent," one senior administration official said. "Make sure you don't have anyone around ISIS targets and get out of the air."

And while U.S. officials have no plans to cede Russia any ground, they also said it appears that Russian President Vladimir Putin made a dramatic chess move that the Russians have not thought through -- one official even called it a "strategic blunder."

U.S. take on Russia in Syria: A 'strategic blunder' - CNNPolitics.com

MEANWHILE......


"• Iran was on Thursday night moving up its ground forces in Syria in preparation for an attack to reclaim rebel-held territory under the cover of Russian air strikes, according to sources close to Damascus. Hizbollah, the Lebanese Shia militia which has come to the Assad regime’s rescue in battle-fronts across the country in the past two years, is being prepared to capitalise on the strikes, a Syrian figure close to the regime told The Telegraph
• Sources in Lebanon told Reuters that Iran, which is the main sponsor and tactical adviser to Hizbollah, was sending in hundreds of its own troops to reinforce them.

'Russia kills US-backed Syrian rebels in second day of air strikes as Iran prepares for ground offensive' - Telegraph

Makes you wonder about our "ally" Russia joining us in negotiation with Iran and doing nothing overt until our congress got locked out of any discussion.

Meanwhile, the death toll continues to rise, and the method of killing is getting worse.

Russia going to bomb anybody that gets in their way including us knowing our current leader will do nothing but release hot air. Russia will probably Annex Syria, Iraq, and eventually Afghanistan along with th former iron curtain countries that broke off. We have been beaten and bankrupted soon to be 3rd world country. Thanks to our policitial career leaders that WE voted in and keep voting these lying special interest POS dirbags. It will never change as long as we got electoral college, no term limits, and Lobbists.

While your children are learning political correctness, their children are learning how to kill them

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Exactly right unfortunately

Liberals are sheltered and thus dangerously naive ... Wtf, stupid actually

Electing and then reelecting Obie was the worst strategic blunder of all

...and we certainly cannot blame YOU - since you would never vote for a Black Democrat for President - just like the rest of your Tea Bag-er friends.

Real mature. If we had a smart government of the people, we would gather all the liberals that want socialism and send them to Europe one way, so they can experience it first hand. Better yet, send them to the New USSR where they can all be equal. Equally losers. Time for them to contribute instead of ride the gov teat like spoiled children. They can become party workers.