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This article again demonstrates the values Obama holds via the advisers he chooses.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022629.php

This information was provided by Robert Spencer, an Islamic scholar and well respected advocate for vigilence against violent Islamic jihad and associated Islamic demands to erode our freedoms.

[Note: I posted this article a couple of days ago but it inexplicably disappeared.]

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This information is very disturbing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It should be read by every free thinking American !!!!!!!! I hope this post doesn't disappear.

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If true this would be so very disturbing. When he "fired" him, he was lauded by the media...after being made to cover the story. I need a bit more credibility though because this is pretty big !

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It was suggested by many on TOTV that we all refrain from politics as usual in honor of 9/11. Let it go for at least 90 more minutes, ok?

http://911digitalarchive.org/thumbs/thumb34620.jpeg

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Just keep in mind the old saying you can rearrange the spots on a leopard to change how it looks, but when you get all done....you still have a leopard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTK

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What???* * ??? ::) This information wouldn't have to be brought to our attention if it were not for 9-11.* It is more relevant to 9-11 than what most of us were doing on 9-11-2008.

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There seems to be a lot of spin on that article gfmucci. This seems to get more at the actual facts and also points out some garbage some people have used against Governor Sarah Palin. http://blogs.jta.org/politics/2008/0...-of-democracy/

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I googled: Jihad Watch and read. Clicked on affiliated with David Horowitz and read. Fox News.

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TALTARZAC....I am glad you posted what you did. Without getting into the accuracy or non accuracy, it spells out, for me anyway, the fact that BOTH....read BOTH parties are guilty of this kind of thing.

I am tired of hearing how it is ONLY one party or another that does these things, no matter the issue.

Good job on research and on my way to look around on the story. As I said earlier in the thread "If true....."

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So..let's all vote for my personal favorite..Ron Paul! Let's do the whole process over again.
Sarah scared the hell out of me with her answers to Charles Gibson. This woman is as prepared to be President of this country as I am to be a brain surgeon.

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So..let's all vote for my personal favorite..Ron Paul! Let's do the whole process over again.
Sarah scared the hell out of me with her answers to Charles Gibson. This woman is as prepared to be President of this country as I am to be a brain surgeon
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Not sure what this post has to do with the thread, but since you had to begin with the critique of Gov Palin already, I would suggest you compare her background not only with Sen Obama but with many other political types you probably would support.

Perhaps, and I sure someone will, you could begin a thread with the facts that "scared the hell out of.." you !

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Bucco, Watch the interview. I'm sure it's on the net.

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Thank you travel....

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gf, the last time you posted about Spencer, I replied with some facts about the man. This is a man who served on a Presidential council but was fired for being too extreme. He has been called an Islamophic. His website, Jihad Watch, has been called an "Internet hate site." And we're supposed to buy into anything this man says? WHY?????

He has been denounced by Karen Armstrong Young (a former nun, British author, authority on religions, especially the Islam religion) and others.

As to Abashi, even Spencer didn't go so far as to say that Abashi was still employed by Obama or his campaign. "Asbahi has not stopped working on behalf of Obama, though. He appeared at the luncheon to say that despite his official exit he was still '110%' behind Obama and that he was participating in campaign conference calls on Muslim outreach." I would like more information about what his participaton in campaign conference calls involved. If he simply gives advice and is not involved in strategies, etc., I could live with it although I wouldn't particularly like it. If he did more, I'd be very uncomfortable. Being an Obama supporter is certainly within his rights. Regardless, I'd want to hear it from a source other than Spencer. A hatemonger is not someone I put a lot of credence in.

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Bucco, Watch the interview. I'm sure it's on the net.
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My question was/is...what does your negative comments on Gov Palin have to do with this thread about an aide in the Sen Obama campaign ?????? There are a LARGE number of negative Gov Palin threads to post in !

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Mucci....you really don't know what the rest of us were doing on 9-11....you don't know what we consider important...like spending time with our families, calling old friends taking time out of the day to visit the Hacienda center....which was beautiful by the way.

We only suggested that we take a break on 9-11....it was not a rule...you are free to do what you want. However this information, while it may be important, if relevant, could have been saved for another hour or so....this was posted at 10pm...who really was going to change their entire life over this article. It was just a matter of respect for our country that we (a lot of us) had agreed to take some time off from politics...and remember 9-11. Personally I felt good about it all day....

Now my response to the article you posted:

After reading it many times over...all I can think of is the following....it does NOT state anywhere that he is still employed by the Obama campaign. It states that he has sat in on some conference calls with the group.

Let's all read this quote from the article together...shall we:

"Asbahi has not stopped working on behalf of Obama, though. He appeared at the luncheon to say that despite his official exit he was still "110%" behind Obama and that he was participating in campaign conference calls on Muslim outreach.
Stepping down was a "strategic decision," he told the audience. Asbahi declined to answer IBD questions clarifying his current role."


Perhaps....just maybe....I have missed something. He may still be working "on behalf of Obama" but this does not mean Obama has hired him back or is paying him. Everytime I post something on here or have conversation about Obama...I am "working" on behalf of him as well...this is one way to look at that statement.
110% behind Obama....I am 120% behind him...still doesn't mean he is working for him...just supports him.

As far as the conference calls...perhaps he was on the line representing the Muslim outreach instead of representing the Obama campaign. the fact that he would NOT comment about his current role may just mean he is embarrassed to have been asked to resign.

This is what I took from the article. Everyone interprets the written word differently. This was my interpretation.
Boy am I long winded today!!

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Red...sorry I didn't even read all of yours before I posted mine...seems we agree...sorry didn't want you to thinkI was copying you!

M

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CASSIE325....

I really dont want to spend a lot of time on this but your criticism of someone posting here last night is really hard to swallow. You make it seem as if GFMUCCI did something wrong or unpatriotic by posting on this forum.

Did anyone, like you, call VILLAGES KAHUNA to task as he BEGAN a couple threads during the day....I know you didnt...perhaps because of his support for Sen Obama ? I dont know....not saying that, but it takes a lot of arrogance to question anyone posting on here because a few folks thought is sounded good not to.

I posted here yesterday but also visited church and Hacienda...I lost two good friends in the WTC, served my country for 6 years, and actually served in the Navy in the same wing (4D) as was hit by the plane, and I dont feel one bit guilty for posting here and to post a critique of someone to even suggest that GFMUCCI should feel somehow guilty is just plain not fair.

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:bow: :bow: :bow: I can't stand it been laughing for 5 minutes 1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl

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I do not recall telling Mucci they were unamerican!! I simply stated that out of respect for our country many of us decided to not post and argue in the political forum. THIS WAS OUR OPINION and CHOICE!! OPINIONS AS YOU KNOW ARE NOT ALWAYS SHARED BY EVERYONE...
This does NOT mean that Mucci is Un-American!! those of us that wanted to do it...did it...those of us who wanted to post did!! Travel expressed an opinion and a soft reminder of what we had posted and I explained it just in case it was missed the day before!!


God Bless you for what you did yesterday and for our country...I appreciate it and respect you for it...just as I do McCain...but it doesn't mean I have have the same opinion as either of you. You know I respect all veterans and current service members.

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CASSIE....I was just curious why anyone would mention the posting yesterday at all...that simple !

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Nuttin, honey. I beg your pardon. I should be flogged. 1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl
I got carried away with the moment...and you never do..lucky you.
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Oh I get carried away SAMHASS, and I believe that each time I do , I am called something or it is suggested...well..doesnt matter...just thught it was quite a leap of subject matter and we have no shortage of Gov Palin threads on here !

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It was not that simple Bucco...you called me arrogant and made it out that I called Mucci Un American!!!


Now who is name calling! I don't think I have ever called you anything or suggested you were anything but republican..

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CASSIE...first of all...I simply wanted to know why ANYONE would even bring up posting on 9/11....was not sure what purpose it served to do that...cannnot think of ANY frankly, yes I do consider it arrogant to suggest that those who live in the Villages and post on this board should not post because 4 or 5 folks felt that way. You surely had a right to make your feelings known...nobody ever questioned that, but to begin a post by reminding a poster of that is just not fair at all to anyone. That is my opinion as you have yours.

Publicly reminding MUCCI of the wishes of a few folks on this board strikes me as arrogant..my opinion.

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PEACHIE....perhaps you are correct, but what is the point of PUBLICLY telling mucci after the fact ?

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Wow. Bucco, we agree on something. I chose not to post in political yesterday. I would never consider telling someone else they could/should not post on 9/11. A suggestion was made that we not post on 9/11. We all exercised our options on whether to post or not to post. UHoh, Bucco, are you going to rebuke me for being off topic again?

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no SAMHASS...no rebuke.

Not sure what you agree with me on, however will take it. :)

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You are obviously not "HEARING" me! I was not reminding Mucci of anything! I was explaining why travel said it the previous day! Mucci got very upset at travel...and I was simply explaining what had happened...travel simply said that it would be nice to wait a few hours and I agreed....mostly because Mucci made it sound as if the article was MORE important than what the rest of us were doing for the day....if that had not been said perhaps I would have said anything at all...but I was insulted.

Again...this is what I said:

"We only suggested that we take a break on 9-11....it was not a rule...you are free to do what you want. However this information, while it may be important, if relevant, could have been saved for another hour or so....this was posted at 10pm...who really was going to change their entire life over this article. It was just a matter of respect for our country that we (a lot of us) had agreed to take some time off from politics...and remember 9-11. Personally I felt good about it all day...."

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Ya see how the politics work?
The thread is about Obama's aid. The last eleventy six posts were all about who said what yesterday and countered with who did not say what.

I was interested in hearing opinions about the thread not a urinating contest over who violated what or not.

In sterling political fashion much energy and waste of time with other "stuff" thus keeping others off the subject in question....hence many get disgusted and go else where rather that listen to the school yard antics of a few.

BTK

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I am sorry if anyone took offense at the suggestion that we hold off on the political posts yesterday, but it was never intended to be arrogant. In fact if I had known it would upset people to the point that it did, I probably would not have posted it.
My only intention was to observe 9/11 in light of what unites, not divides us, and it seems that political posts too often bring out some very negative responses and reactions.
I have the utmost respect for anyone interested enough to want to discuss the real issues in an election, regardless of stance. You will notice that I rarely post in the political forum (although I have posted on economic and financial issues, my real interest!).
The divisiveness I have seen in this particular election saddens me, and it was my feeling that any posts that might possibly be construed as partisan be held off for 24 hours. On Wednesday evening, a few people had suggested that, and since no one posted an objection I, too, felt it was a good idea. Live and learn.
But as was well stated by another poster, this is America, and we are all entitled to freedom of speech.
Have a good day TOTVers!
Travel

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TRAVEL....nobody said it was not a good idea that the 4/5 folks had. MY objection was throwing in the face of, and those are my words..not anyone elses....basically reminding someone that they posted on 9/11 as if it were some kind of wrong or something..that was my objection.....it just did not seem fair to MUCCI to have that comment even expressed and especially after VILLAGEKAHUANA started a few threads during the day and nobody...NOT ONE PERSON said a word. That is NOT anything negative about VILLAGEKAHUANA EITHER...just making my point

To clarify since you dont seem to still get it....nobody took offense to what you and 4 others decided to post or do...had NOTHING to do with that !

Now, as far as political divisiveness is concerned is not exclusive to this election by any stretch of the imagination...I would be curious how you would feel that way after two elections ripe with charges of actually stealing elections. No, this is not as divisive as those in my opinion.

Having said that....the divide between parties is greater than ever. To me, and this is me, after the 2000 elections it was just going to be that way as long as the person who many felt should not be President was in office. That is just my opinion and that cloud has been hanging over the WH since !

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Karen Armstrong????* Karen Armstrong!!!!* You've got to be kidding.* Nun or no nun, she is an Islamic apologist and a cover for the Jihadi movement.* She has little credibility from my reading of her.* She is stuck on the Islam of 30 years ago when it was more moderate.

I would hope you would see the world wide facts as they are.* There are not numerous acts of Islamic violence per day around the world because Robert Spencer says there are while Karen Armstrong insists Islamists are peace loving teddy bears.* Such daily acts of Islamic violence is reality.* Armstrong spits in the face of reality.* Spencer points out reality.* For that you (or others) call him an Islamist hate monger - for bringing the truth to our attention???? :dontknow:* That is a bad case of head in sand.

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I really don't care what anyone else was doing on 9-11. And I'm not upset with anyone. But the suggestion that it is inconsiderate to discuss the genesis of the 9-11 tragedy on 9-11 seemed a bit like being unhappy discussing the birth of Christ on Christmas day because we just prefer "spending time with our families." That makes no sense. The genesis of 9-11 is Islamist extremists who feel it their duty to destroy America. I pointed out a consultative relationship between a presidential candidate and an individual who is very likely an ally of a radical Islamic front in this country. That is certainly related to 9-11 and worthy of our awareness if not discussion on that day - while we are with friends, family, and on the internet.

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Sigh. Muccie, you little woofer! I'll have to slap your snoot if you keep trying to tie Senator Obama to the Muslims or any Islamic group. It's just not true.


wav To Mrs. Mucci. Are you coming to Crispers? Hope you both can find time to come.

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How can anyone be so sure with such certainty it is not true? :dontknow:

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Eddie, dahling, I love you and the warden way too much to talk politics with you! Yes! I can love Republicans! Remember, vetman is one. (Only not in this election.) big hugs to you, you cashewwwwww! :-* See you at Crisper's!