Barack Hussein Obama - Change You Can Believe In!
 

I'm am startin to believe Mr. Obama's "Change you can believe in" battle cry he has been preaching for over a year now. While doing a few simple Google searches it appears that Mr. Obama has brought about lot's of change in Illinois.

Murder Rate Up 18% in Chicago

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...0,260187.story

Chicago Highest Sales Tax in the U.S.
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_b...o-gets-hi.html

Illinois Pension Debt Worst In Nation

http://www.rrstar.com/news/x19440510...orst-in-nation

Illinois Unemployment Rate 7.3 percent, worst in 15 years

http://www.city-data.com/forum/illin...mps-7-3-a.html

Health Care State Rankings 2008 - Illinois is 33rd
http://www.cqpress.com/product/Healt...ings-2008.html

Obama - Change you can believe in! (Change for the worse).

You all say he has no experience and never did anything and now you want to say its all his fault. Did you forget about the disgraced Republican Governor of IL.

I wouldn't be pointing fingers today have you seen the DOW?

Got Cash? The FDIC is running out of money.

Doing NOTHING is probably what has caused the sad state of affairs Illinois seems to be in. Leadership means.... well to LEAD! That's not what he was hired for.

Then again maybe he has been a leader in Illinois and this is the result. In either case it's certainly not entirely his fault but he shoud take a good portion of the blame.

Has anyone seen any of this reported on the news? Nope I didn't think so.

Excuse me but you quoted the murder rate going up in Chicago. Was Obama the mayor or Chief of Police. What does he have to do with the murder rate in Chicago?

Should we be looking up the crime rate in AZ?

What does this have to do with the issues?

Have you seen the Dow today....DOWN OVER 400 POINTS Can the soup kitchens be far behind? The FIDC is almost out of money...take a look at your bank accounts make sure you don't have $100,000 in a single account.

Check out your bank...10 have failed this year. How is the health of yours.

Cologal - What is it, as a Senator, that you expect BHO to do?

If not help with the crime rate
Lower Taxes
Improve employment in that state
Improve Health Care in that state

Then what?

I think he is a US Senator...not the Governor of Il or Mayor of Chicago.

I think Obama has been doing the same thing that McCain has been doing for for the past 18 months.

Chicago
 

Puterguru, your post is beyond ridiculous. A Senator has nothing to do with the day to day workings of a particular city or any of the numbers you have stated. I've seen you Republicans reach before, but this is truly from Fantasyland.

Now for Chicago. I'm from Chicago and I'm proud to call it my hometown, even though we now live in The Villages. You can slam whoever you choose, but you cannot slam Chicago. It's a city filled with wonderful people, cultural attractions, cool jazz and sophistication. The skyline is stunning and people are second to none. The sports fans are uniquely loyal and true, whether winning or loosing. The food is scrumptious, The Art Institute holds some of the greatest treasures on earth, you can't help but fall in love again on Navy Pier, the concerts, the opera, the Historical Society, The Natural History Museum all surround Lake Michigan. I'll put all of this up against anything you have to compare it with.

If you really want to get into a "schoolyard fight" why don't you state where you're from and let me do some digging. Like Cologal says, pay attention to what counts. It's Economics! And McCain got us there in his 26 years as Mr. De-regulation! :swear:

Nice try, but I did not slam Chicago. Just stating some facts. I believe you should be placing your anger with the leadership in Illinois. Hmm only one person I know of comes to mind.:a20: OBAMA for change!

Chicago is full of wonderful people , unfortunately they are eating soup !!!

How do you explain that all of the oversight committee's in congress are chaired by democrats ....And what about Barney Frank who chairs the Banking Oversight committee , Where was he in all this , Hopefully he will be thrown behind bars.....Dems have a lot of explaining to do before they are allowed to pad their bank accounts........

I think the bulk of our "congresspeople" are a bunch of ladies of the evening.

:agree: Unfortunately, "ditto". And Obama is likely to add a radical, socialist, and racist twist to the harlot-like behaviors.

Chels I don't think I've ever agreed with you before, but you are right about Chicago. It is the greatest city in the world. When I win the lottery, ( I guess I better start buying tickets) I'm buying a condo on the lake.

Agreed!
 

Sally Jo, I bet there's a lot we agree on, just not in this crazy heated political time. Whew! Is this the wildest election or what! Anyway, I hope you do win the lottery and get that condo on the lake you want. It sure is a beautiful sight. ;)

Question?
 

What does this even mean Fumar? Are you talking economics? Are you being a snob, thinking that people are not as well as off as you? I sincerely would have to laugh if that were the case. Care to explain yourself?

I took it that they were all going through the soup lines at the shelters...I HOPE I was wrong!

I'm also from Illinois and have some thoughts on this subject. It may be why Obama wants to change - Illinois has lost a lot of jobs shipped over seas. There are areas with high unemployment - like Michigan, Ohio and other states that have lost factory jobs.

As to the murder rate - I attach a link that explains Obama protested Bush's cuts to the police departments in the Federal Budget (I think the money is going to Homeland Security which is why I get patted down for my total knee replacement everytime I fly). http://obama.senate.gov/press/060224-obama_joins_loc/

As to the rating of the health issue, please note Florida is 46 - 14 below Illinois. Maybe health insurance for all will improve all the states' ratings.

Illinois had Republican governors for 30 years before the current governor took office. If the pension plan needs to be blamed on someone, I would suggest you start their since the problems started in the 70's when they quit fully funding the pension fund.

I am not really blaming either party for the problems Illinois has. I think it is a countrywide issue with our job problems, healthcare issues, etc. I am proud to be from there - the Midwest produces hardworking individuals who are of the old school of use it up, wear it out. I think a lot can be learned from them. Bottomline - Obama did not create their problems and I think if you really reviewed it, you would agree.

Dear Overchallenged Puter Person
 

Surely you are intelligent enough to realize your comments are based upon faulty reasoning, and in fact some of your comments are not accurate. Please educate yourself prior to posting. Thank you. (You: Puter, perhaps; guru NOT)

Obama
 

Looks like the other countries of the world can sit and watch our GREAT citizens of the United States of America throw stones at one another. Greed and corruption has gotten us where we are. No checks and balances to correct it either.
So....since you all know who the culprits are....or think you know....then you can help correct it, by finding out the REAL facts and voting appropriately.

Puterguru
You are right on. Right now Illinois is run by Democrats. Gov Blago gets no respect from his own party. Daley wants his brother to run for gov, Madigan wants his daughter to run, Jackson Jr wants his wife to run ,all Democrats helping nobody but themselves.
Lord Obama had a hand in getting Todd Stroger in office. Look up Stroger and some of his doings.. Just the kind of change we do not need.
We do NOT need obama.:agree::agree::agree:

Fumar:
Boy I'm with you. perhaps we have to wait until after the elections and the crooks are done with Obama's campaign
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This is totally unreal....

You people couldn't see the truth if it hit you in the face.

The Republicans were in charge of Congress for the Clinton years and then in total control when Bush reached the White House. The Dem's took over again less than 2 years ago and Barney Frank should go to jail.

Who was in charge of the Commerce Committee? McCain
Who was in charge of the Banking Committee? Gramm

The Repub went to war, cut taxes for the rich, spent like drunken sailors and deregulated everything in sight.

And now its the Dems fault. :crap2::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


Sick.....

real classy response Oshunluva

I believe Senator Larry Craig was involved with this project.

So Barney Frank did it... 8 years of Republican control in Congress and 6 years of complete control and the Dem's did all this in less than 2 years.

Somebody is smoking something...:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Don't think so Barney Frank plays for the other side.

I don't live in IL but if I remember correctly didn't the last Republican Governor of IL have to resign for corruption?

I believe the former governor is still in prison -

A corrupt republican? Why doesn't that surprise me?

The list of corrupt politicians includes noted folk from all political parties. it seems that power begets greed in some, membership card notwithstanding.

What is all really shows is that congresspersons (House and Senate) keep getting re-elected based on name recognition and not for accomplishing anything other than getting face time on television. We all are to blame if we don't hold our congresspersons - regardless of party affiliation - accountable to DO something other than mimic what comes from the party's national leadership. If all you want is your congressperson to have a particular party affiliation - even if the person is a slug - then your "employee agent" in Congress is being paid not to represent you, but instead "the party." Which is more important?

Steve Z - Again I must agree. The problem with this country is the re-elected do-nothing congress. Great Post

That is nothing but a bunch of horse****.....

Here we are in a financial crisis and you people are still trying to make him out to be a Muslin...you are just a bunch of LIARS.....

This is WRONG and IMO sick sick sick!!!

Can anyone really watch this whole thing! I turned it off before it was half way over....WRONG!!! Whether you want to vote for him or not....THIS is wrong! Shame on anyone who agrees with it or thinks it is funny. This is my opinion and I am aloud to share it!

Its only scary if yo believe the lies... and they are lies. If you help spread the lies, which in case you did, then you have no honor.

Thank Cologal....I think you understood my post....I thought it was sick because it has no place in this election....it is is FALSE....whether you want to vote for Obama or not....no one has compared him to Christ or messiah...it is just wrong! Thank you for your post!

Fabricated videos have been happening since Kennedy, and what they show is that anyone with an editing station - whether at a private house or a network facility - can make anyone look like whatever the editor wants. As long as folks rely on edited videos for their knowledge, that knowledge will be flawed.

That being said, it is much easier to make edited videos about a person no one really knows, since there is nothing really to compare them to. Sen. Obama is just such a person. Four years ago he was a State senator picked as a party rising star. For 2 1/2 more years he was just another freshman US senator with no senate record other than almost totally voting "party line" when he did vote. His charisma got him into the primaries, and a lackluster field of opponents brought him into the party semi-finals. He still has not submitted any legislation of note (being a co-sponsor doesn't count, as they basically are "pre-voting"), but has published two books during that time frame.

Based on being such an unknown, it is not surprising that edited videos make the rounds, as ANY information about Sen. Obama is news in itself. So, whenever something appears in cyber-space, it's treated as a potential "source" rather than just another unsubstantiated item.

Oddball stuff is now coming out on Gov. Palin for the same reason. She's a virtual unknown outside of the Northwest, so the cartoons, edited videos and oh-did-you-hear-that junk has an eager market, especially among those who are more concerned with slamming the person than verifying credentials.

One would think we would all know better by now than deal with the rumor/distortion market, no matter which of the four candidates is the target. However, when little is there to start with, that's what always seems to happen.

People have the freedom to post whatever they want. This board is a prime example of it. It's just funny to me when these edited videos get re-posted elsewhere with the inference that the videos reflect objective truth. These videos are simply the editor's opinion, and nine times out of ten the editor is an unknown quantity him/her/itself.

We both agree that unsubstantiated claims beget corroboration from the serious inquirer. Hopefully, most will seek confirmation before becoming a convert. Better still would be the candidates themselves providing substance versus generalizations and self-platitudes, especially on questions of political relationships and their advisor corps. For me, that would give me some idea who owes whom, thus having a better idea whose names will be added into the 2009 edition of the Plum Book.

Obama has no ties to Raines....just the facts. He was just a child in the 60's when Ayers did what he did...Obama surely didn't help him. It links Obama to every socialist, communist and terrorist on the planet...he has no ties to
Bin Liden nor to that nut job in N. Korea...

You say all of this has been proven to be true....where is the proof? Show it to me.


Lastly President Bush has in the past few days proven himself to be a socialist...you need to look of the definition. These bank takeovers define socialism.

I was unable to view the video when I clicked the link, thus no comments on the specific video, HOWEVER, as many may know my basic problem is with Sen Obama's past associations....actually the ONLY thing to judge him on....and the sources I have given include the Chicago Newspapers....CBS news, etc. No fabricated videos or anything.

Again....without seeing the video but assuming it has to do with Sen Obama's past associations it is of concern to me. I DO think some of it gets overdone and terribly blown out of proportion and out of context, but then again it pales in the light of what has been done to Gov Palin.

I will only say that associations do count especially in the case of Sen Obama since there is absolutely nothing else to judge him on except for being a great orator (he wins that hands down). Not one person has been able to contradict the past posts on him and I still believe there is more to come on this before the election !

Sorry for such a long post since I didnt even see the video and if it was a hatchet job with edited stuff, I would be opposed...there is enough out there without that kind of stuff !

It would be interesting to see how you all view the administration's performance over the last 8 years if it was a Democratic presidency. There would be bloodshed in the streets! Bill Clinton couldn't keep it in his pants and there was a $40M investigationbythe Republicans and an impeachment, despite a no-war, no spending debt administration handed to George W. He got the blame for everything that went wrong over the next 6 years. Now we have record debt, failure of banks, housing markets in the toilet, no end to war, with it cost and loss of life, record unemployment, the worst image of Americans around the world in history, and Osama Bin Lama still free! If it was a Democratic administration you would be screaming IMPEACHMENT! Now you want to reward the Republicans with 4 more years of leadership. It is unbelieveable!

To be honest and straightforward with you Nomadman, I have said from the beginning that I looked long and hard, even in 2004 for an alternative. I am not as much PRO Sen McCain as I am totally afraid of Sen Obama. I cannot vote to change JUST FOR CHANGE SAKE...it makes no sense to me, more especially in this years election.

In my opinion we have in Sen Obama (and I am not talking about him as a human being or anything) a radical left winger and with a Democratic Congress that spells something much much worse than Sen McCain.

The radical left has now TOTALLY taken over the Democratic party...I understand your frustration but from my corner I will not simply hand the keys over to someone I consider a radical left wing person JUST TO SAY I MADE A CHANGE !