Palin's Pastor Puts Wright in the Minor Leagues!
 

There has been so much talk about past associations of the candidates, just thought you might be interested in Sarah Palin's Pastor. The truth is stranger than fiction! Meet the Reverend Thomas Muthee. Laying of hands, speaking in tongues, and now witch hunting! (from an airplane?)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26798219

http://www.choicesforliving.com/spirit/part4/kenya.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx-Ka...watch_response

Well, you wanted past associations? But not really past, in this case, present.

WHAT?!! And her speaking ability is just phenomenal!!! I am not impressed!

:shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

If you really believe stuff that you read on the internet you shouldn't be voting.

For really up to date and juicy true and false rumors read

http://www.snopes.com/

Fascinating. . .
 

I find it so interesting that everyone was so set to jump on Obama's Rev. but when it comes to this wacko that Palin's been listening to, it's just fine. hmmmm, a little myopic aren't we? BTW, this is not just 'internet' stuff and not just a rumor. There is a video of her praising Rev. Muthee. Face reality.

At large family gatherings, in order to keep order, many Americans set up a ground rule. Religion and politics are off the table. There is a reason for that.

There are 305,205,851 Evangelicals worldwide. 89,500,000 or more in the United States. Does Billy Graham ring a bell? Wikipedia:

The 2004 survey of religion and politics in the United States[11] identified the Evangelical percentage of the population at 26.3%; while Roman Catholics are 22% and Mainline Protestants make up 16%. In the 2007 Statistical Abstract of the United States, the figures for these same groups are 28.6% (Evangelical), 24.5% (Roman Catholics), and 13.9% (Mainline Protestant.) The latter figures are based on a 2001 study of the self-described religious identification of the adult population for 1990 and 2001 from the Graduate School and University Center at the City University of New York. [12]

Rather than engage in the emotion charged debate of religion and politics, I would simply make the point that there a lot of Evangelicals in America and many in the Villages. Draw your own conclusions.

That's odd!
 

I'm not talking about the religion in general. I'm talking about Sarah Palin's pastor. It seemed fair game for Obama. What's the difference. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Obama has been slammed for months and months. Not to mention falsely being called a Muslim. Obama's a Christian. Bucco's been pounding about past associations. Well, it appears you McCain supporters only want a one way conversation. Too bad.

Chelsea's post
 

Chelsea;

Great post!

Enough!

Tony :wave:

JEREMIAH WRIGHT: "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing God Bless America? No, no, no! Not God bless America. God damn America! It's in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating its citizens as less than human!"
Great pastor.:crap2:

Chelsea, you cited my post and said, "Well, it appears you McCain supporters only want a one way conversation."

Where in my copious posts did I ever say I supported McCain? Or, for that matter said I was a Republican. Or included a partisan banner on my post like you have. Those are conclusions you hastily jump to. I did say that my mother, a Boston democrat worked hard on JFK's presidential campaign.

Maybe I'm a democrat who feels his party left him by moving to far to the left. Maybe I'm a Libertarian. They have some interesting planks and believe in less big government intrusion in our lives. I could be a Rebublican. Maybe I'm a true independent who votes for the person, not the party. I will confess this much, although it doesn't preclude any of the above. My first choice for President was Sam Nunn, a democrat from Georgia. It was a no brainer for me as I know Sam personally. He's a great golfer. He would have been great for the country during these intense complicated times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Nunn

So, please don't presume to define my politics.

Old old old News!
 

Eddie, dahling! This is such old news and Senator Obama denounced him. As for Ms. Palin, that little of video of her talking about Rev. Muthee was taken just this past June. :22yikes:

Bucco's been pounding about past associations. Well, it appears you McCain supporters only want a one way conversation. Too bad.
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DUH ! I got a list...this is all you got....and my list has to do with politics..not religion !

Concerns About Charismatic Teachings? Take a Christian Theology Class
 

Oh, yes indeed. It is so much fun to mock the power of prayer... It is so much like mocking people from small towns and those who carry guns. It is so much more enlightening to listen to the know it all self-righteous likes of Keith Olbermann, a Unitarian who likely considers any kind of faith, other than in himself, as an impediment to life.

I'm not an evangelical or a Charismatic Christian, but having heard the essence of both forms of "Christianity", there is much less for America to fear from the words of Sarah's pastor than Barack's.

Barack's (ex-pastor and ex-church) espouses racism and Black Liberation Theology, akin to the teaching of Che Guevara and similar communist radicals.

Sarah's church espouses teachings found in many Christian denominations in this country - whether you are worried by their "unbelievability" or not. That concern relates more to ignorance of the concept of "faith" and the teachings of various Christian denominations than it is to being a "radical" church like Obamas.

Again!
 

Once again! I am not talking about her religion, I am talking about this particular Reverend! I wholeheartedly believe in the power of prayer. Reverend Thomas Muthee is obviously a respected religious leader of Sarah Palin's. I think it's important to know. This woman will be a heartbeat away from the Presidency! Sorry, but this can't be ignored! Are we to wonder if she will go to him in times of trouble and that this type of individual will be helping her make decisions about our country? That's a scary prospect! :22yikes:

Obama denounced Rev. Wright. Clearly Sarah Palin has not denounced Rev. Muthee.

Obama denounced Rev. Wright. Clearly Sarah Palin has not denounced Rev. Muthee.
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Yes he did, second time around when he had to. First time he just said he did not agree with a particular sermon when he was dicussing POLITICS (of hate by the way).

I have no idea what Sen Biden or Sen McCain feel about prayer nor do I want to know,thus Gov Palin's view on prayer is none of our business. And actually dont know how Sen Obama prays and dont care !

There are much more scarier things than turning to prayer FOR SURE !!!!

Reverend Wright
 

Does everyone know that Reverend Wright was a US Marine who served with distinction in Vietnam? After his enlistment was up he joined the US Navy to become a corpsman expecting to go back to Vietnam to assist his Marine brothers. As it turned out he wasn't needed back there and served his Navy enlistment at Walter Reed, actually assisting LBJ on one occasion while serving there.

EXCELLENT POST.

I quickly watched the links first posted.....have not studied them at length or researched this to death, but since there are I'm sure those here who will be quick to enlighten me, please plainly list the grievous wrongs with this denominational viewpoint.

Rev. Wright preaches racism and hate. Without getting into a heavy theological discussion, there are places in this world that still have witch doctors who have a strong influence on their followers. The bondage-like power they have over their followers is light years away from the modern world we are used to and it is hard for us to even believe.

Faith is a mysterious thing. IF one believes in God, it is not hard to also see evidence of the antithesis of God.....namely evil. Both are core teachings of the christian faith.

Unless I'm missing something here, it seems that Palin's church is much more mainline then the cult-like teachings of Rev. Wright.

But of course I'm not surprised.....biblical christianity is the newest persecuted group in this new "enlightened" age.

Respectfully, Frank D.

Sister Sarah!
 

Sarah also believes the Tribulation will take place in Alaska! I kid you not! Do some reading.

I am not sure how this board went from making fun of politicians and posters to making fun of someone's religious beliefs,, but seems we have.

Too Bad!
 

Sorry Bucco, but when the candidates bring their religion into the White House and the division of church and state is so cloudy, it all matters. Iraq is not the will of God as Sarah Palin has said. It's a royal screw-up by Bush. And now you want another religious fanatic a heartbeat away from the Presidency?

Your Party and the McCain campaign are the ones that wanted to pin everything on Obama. He's been called unpatriotic, Muslim, his community organizer service has been ridiculed, his wife has been ridiculed, he was ridiculed for not wearing a flag pin, or saluting the proper way during the Pledge of Allegiance, now it seems McCain wants to blame the entire economic collapse on him. It's disgusting and nasty.

The McCain campaign has gotten so petty with all of this, and let's not forget the "lipstick on a pig" ad, it's time for payback. Wait. The road will get rougher. You might not like what you hear, but at least it will be true.

Chelsea...of course you leave out the ridicule of Sen McCain,his wife...Gov Palin and her entire family.

Now, on religion...if you are correct we need to vett all the candidates and how they pray, EXACTLY what they believe, dont you think ? Lets schedule a format where we can ask them all these personal questions !!!! We really need to know how Sen Biden feels about praying and such !!

Not a Bad Idea!
 

Not a bad idea Bucco! Not a bad idea at all. Especially when Bush said that "God lead him into Iraq." Guffaw guffaw. Oil lead him into Iraq and nothing else, except maybe to impress Daddy Bush.

As always you have no ability to post without a political slant, but we did already have the Saddleback forum which perhaps you missed for the Presidential candidates...you are suggesting now that we have one for the VP candidates....we have publicly vetted Gov Palin...perhaps we should be doing the same thing with Sen Biden although I, for one, am not interested in how he prays !!!

I just recalled as I was leaving that I saw Sen Biden asking the country to PRAY that the levees hold during Gustav. Was that a bad thing to do ?

Saddleback Forum
 

I, for one, have a strong belief in the division of church and state. I can't remember any election when this all became such an issue. I, personally, am only responding because it has INDEED become an issue. No, I didn't miss The Saddleback Forum, but I strongly disagreed with it. In fact, I found it distasteful. Religion is a very personal thing, and in all fairness, I don't think any of the candidates should bring their religion into a campaign. JFK said "I'm not a Catholic President, I'm a President that happens to be Catholic." This is my belief, entirely, across the board.

That said, it was the smear campaign against Senator Obama that started all this. And what's good for one, must be good for all.

Hide You Head in the Sand!
 

I think the saddest and most unproductive thing, is to hide your head in the sand. It's the easy way out.

Eschatology, the study of a biblical end time view, is a very common element in many mainline, denominational doctrine. Most of the major christian denominations have this as one of the tenants of their core beliefs.

Frank D.

I have no kick against Sen. Obama for going to a church where Rev. Wright is a preacher. He did not go there to be influenced in his thinking; he went there to get ahead in Chicago politics. He needed credibility in the African-American community, and where better to get it. I believe it was about politics and not ideology. The only problem that I might have was his claim that he never heard Rev. Wright say anything bad when he went. That is like the "I never inhaled" claim. Heck, maybe it is true.

Sarah Palin
 

Melvin is right....voting is not on false information and exaggerated research. Remember.....we need to be careful not to spread rumors without checking the details with accuracy. As a member of the League of Women Voters for years, lets be dignified about posts slamming one candidate or the other. Election day will be the vote of the people. And for the record, I am an independent voter and pray for the best person in our present time.

Well, one's religion does come into play when you are running for Vice President. Sen. Biden claims to be a practicing Roman Catholic. One of their core beliefs is that life begins at conception. He, therefore, must believe that abortion is murder. How can he possibly be pro-choice?

What is sad is that one of the greatest freedoms within this nation is freedom to worship freely. Yet, the religious practices of all four candidates, especially the Lead Democrat and the Second-tier on the Republican ticket, do not seem to have that privilege among many within the voting public.

I do not care if what faith, denomination, or none at all is praticed (if that's the correct word) by any candidate. It does not matter to me who the spritual advisor for any candidate is - that's between them and God (if they so believe). Whether the person actually practices the precepts of a particular faith or not, even though the person publically claims to be a member of that faith, is inconsequential. Only their political actions, not their private ones, should be subject to scrutiny.

When "religion" becomes a factor in selecting a candidate, then so does race, age, gender, left-or-right-handed, hair color (unless bald) and shoe size. And when that happens, what does that say about all of us?

I have gotten religious counsel from people hated by others, but who have given me things to think about. I didn't have to agree with the counselor, as their job was to make me THINK and come to my own conclusions based on challenged reason. What others thought of my counselors was of no matter, as they did intellectually challenge and stimulate me - and what could be wrong about that?

We're voting for a political employee, not a religious counselor. All of this concern about somebody's pastor is just examples of trying to create issues which one would have hoped the Constitution, Magna Carta and the Declaration of Independence should have shown as non-issues for government office.

Agreed!
 

I completely agree with this SteveZ. But it should go across the board. This thread was initially started because Obama has continually and falsely been called a Muslim and was attacked for Rev. Wright (who he denounced.) And I was sick of it! It was mud slinging then and I threw back. But I agree, that doesn't make it right -- ANY OF IT!

Seriously
 

Chels, you have NO idea at all what Gov. Pallin believes. You have misinterpreted purposely I believe by your acidic comments.

Vote for Obama. That is your right.

But it is also your responsibility to find the facts and not cherry pick what you like and don't like just to attack Gov. Palin.

Get real. Why so toxic?

Read the Post, please.
 

First, I didn't misrepresent any facts. Second, if you read the post above, it explains why I DON'T think religion should really be taken into the White House. Third, toxic begets toxic. It's a two way street.