Vegetarians / Healthy Eaters
 

Moving to TV soon. I don't see any clubs with healthy diet as the focus. Are there any vegans around?

Thanks
Rick

The Unitarian Universalist Fellowship (UUFMC) has a large, active group of mostly Vegetarians and Vegans in the Eating for Life group. Many of us live in the Villages and often dine together in local restaurants.

There is a large Seventh Day Adventist presence in the Orlando area, many are vegetarians.

Yes there are vegans here :wave:

do you know if any of your group are in to fermented foods? I am interested in sharing some ideas with people that ferment veggies.

How strange that you don't consider some of us "healthy eaters"....

OMG!!! It's the reincarnation of Villages PL

Beer club?
 

Does lite beer count?

This just in:

Many people focus on healthy diet without being vegan, and without being in a club.

They are all around you, in the neighborhoods. Becoming a villager will go a lot better if you meet them without labeling them as unhealthy eaters, but by talking about the myriad of experiences they have had living all around the nation and world.

Yessirreebob.


Like. like. like. like.

That depends on many peoples understanding of a healthy diet. :mmmm:

Vegetarians / Healthy Eaters
 

Vegetarian diets and mental health from NIH:

Vegetarian diet and mental disorders: results from a representative community survey. :mmmmmm:


Vegetarians displayed elevated prevalence rates for depressive disorders, anxiety disorders and somatoform disorders. Due to the matching procedure, the findings cannot be explained by socio-demographic characteristics of vegetarians (e.g. higher rates of females, predominant residency in urban areas, high proportion of singles). The analysis of the respective ages at adoption of a vegetarian diet and onset of a mental disorder showed that the adoption of the vegetarian diet tends to follow the onset of mental disorders.

I am not going to tell anyone

what to eat.
what to wear
where to shop
which doctor to go to
which restaurant is best
what horse to bet on
what religion is best
where to live
whom or what cause to support
et cetra et cetra

And if they are interested I can only share with them my experiences
I am in most ways a naturalist and I work hard at not following the crowd. Man's natural instinct and the body's metabolism tell a person what it needs best as nourishment . I listen to my body.

Bon appetite

And so it begins.........

NutritionFacts.org | The Latest in Nutrition Related Research

Plant-based diets may positively influence mental health.

Vegetarians, in both cross-sectional and interventional studies, appear to have fewer symptoms of depression, anxiety, stress, and mood disturbance than omnivores, perhaps because of less need for medical treatment or because of the significantly lower intake of arachidonic acid, which is found in particularly high levels in chicken and eggs.

The genetic manipulation of chickens by the poultry industry may also have negative public mental health impacts. Chicken has been linked to a variety of neurological and psychiatric Toxoplasma brain parasites from meat have been linked to schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder.


Google "arachidonic acid"
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One cannot possibly discuss prevalence of Toxoplasma brain parasites without looking at its role in HIV and AIDS, and cats and rodents!

Blaming it on cooked chicken meat and egg consumption is !@#@!$$$!!!!!!!!!

--
"Summary: Rodents infected with a common parasite lose their fear of cats, resulting in easy meals for the felines. Now researchers have identified a new way the parasite may modify brain cells, possibly helping explain changes in the behavior of mice -- and humans.

.....Humans can become infected if they don't wash carefully after collecting cat litter containing Toxoplasma. Gardens and other areas frequented by wild and feral cats can become reservoirs for Toxoplasma, so experts recommend using gloves and masks when working in such areas.
Unwashed vegetables and undercooked meats can also lead to Toxoplasma infection..... (and much, much more to this......)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0318153918.htm

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Leismaniasis, strongyloidiasis and toxoplasmosis are the three main opportunistic causes of systemic involvements reported in HIV-infected patients.
Of these, toxoplasmosis is the most important parasitic infection associated with the central nervous system. Due to its complexity in nature, toxoplasmosis is the only parasitic disease capable of not only causing focal but also disseminated forms and it has been included in AIDS-defining illnesses (ADI) ever since.....

Parasitic infections in HIV infected individuals: Diagnostic & therapeutic challenges

And so it continues.....

Please show me one, just one LEGITIMATE study that shows any of this nonsense is true. By legitimate, I mean New England Journal of Medicine or Journal of the American Medical Association---Multi University setting, placebo controlled, double blinded. NOT nutrition.org, not homeopathic anything, not some web site, and certainly not that ridiculous journal that publishes dissertations by candidates for a doctorate in pharmacy
BTW, our bodies are constantly breaking down cell membrane phospholipids into arachidonic acid, which is a precursor to a whole array of both beneficial prostaglandins as well as not so welcome inflammatory mediators through the action of cyclooxygenase and lipooxygenase.. I doubt that oral intake of arachidonic acid, if it even survives digestion, would have any effect on these processes
And I STILL think this thread was masterminded by VPL

:popcorn:

Vegetarians / Healthy Eaters
 

:)popcorn Indeed! Well said!

does a healthy appetite count? seriously, it is hard to know what is healthy anymore with all the fad diets and dangerous misinformation out there. Just look at poor gluten, food producers fall all over themselves to say their product doesn't contain gluten. most of these products don't contain wheat to begin with, they obviously think we are morons. the fact is that the only people who should avoid it are those with celiac disease while for the rest of us it is an important part of our diet as eliminating gluten eliminates some essential dietary vitamins and minerals.

A Failed Experiment
 

I posted this once before and it seems it fits with this thread nicely

A Failed Experiement


"The US Dietary Guidelines were first released by the Department of Agriculture and the Department of Health and Services in 1980. Edward Ahrens nutritional expert on fat and cholesterol metabolism called the guidelines "a national experiment with the American public as subject treating them like a homogeneous group of Sprague-Dawley rats."

The original goals were to:
1) increase American carbohydrate consumption to 55-60% caloric intake
2) reduce fat consumption to less than 30% from 40% of caloric intake
3) reduce saturated fat to 10% of calories and increase poly and monounsaturated fats to 10% of calories
4) reduce cholesterol intake to less than 300 milligrams a day
5) reduce sugar intake by 40%
6) reduce salt consumption by 50-80%

These six goals could not have been more misdirected. Reducing fat and increasing carbohydrates only led to more weight gain.

In February 2015 the Dietary Guideline Advisory Committee declared that eggs and certain fats are no longer the enemy and that cholesterol is not considered a nutrient of concern for over consumption.

Promoting polyunsaturated fats as a safer alternative to saturated fats exposed the population to transfats which are more harmful to the heart

The dietary restriction on sodium have also shown no justification

The World Health Organization recently warned against eating processed and red meats, a finding based principally on observational studies as opposed to properly controlled clinical studies and with the fact that one third of the committee did not agree with the report's findings.

A reasonable argument can be made that the only perspective of the original guidelines that proved correct was that they represented, as Ahrens stated " a nutritional experiment" on the American public. By any reasonable standard of science that experiment failed. "

David A. McCarron , University California-Davis, Department of Nutrition
and Chairman-elect American Society for Nutrition's Medical/Nutrition Council . (WSJ 11-28-29-15)


I personally believe that many consumers are easy swayed because it is human nature for self preservation. And so if a so called expert tells you something is bad for you because of its natural properties or additives many will respond in the affirmative for fear of harming themselves. Its also in my view subjective when people speak of free range grain fed, etc.

Farmers and ranchers have been involved in genetics for a very very long time. The world population is exploding and we need to rely on new technologies to meet those demands.

Those experts peddling confusion do so for political or monetary gain or both.
WHO recent proposal had been tied to their climate change agenda .

Many nations in the United Nations promote this agenda to thwart capitalism


Bon Appetit

Good ol Dr Greger. He has it down cold. I'll look you up when I get to TV. This thread sure got nasty. You can tell who are stubbornly hanging on to the old diet of 1950's. Victims of big beef, big Pharma, big poultry. Don't eat healthful food just take pills.

I think VPL has left us for the vegetable patch up there. I know one thing, when people start spouting things like "Big Pharma" and allude to just take pills, I know they are against traditional medicine which is close to a religion to me.


I won't bore you with all of the dramatic and sad things that would have happened without traditional medical science. The folks who would be missing from my life. Also the folks in medicine that I almost deify.


I am a decent cook and I also understand nutrition fairly well so our diet is varied and healthy with exceptions for fun eating here and there. (A little too much at this time of year) but what value is your life without legitimate pleasure.


I think I am sorta mad. But certainly not at you Doc. WELL SAID, KIDDO.

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1159653 just take pills, I know they are against traditional medicine which is close to a religion to me.[/QUOTE]

Gracie

You are sooooo far off base with that comment.

No understanding of the veg/vegan diet or life style, but you chime in negatively of all related topic.

Take a read of "Forks over knives", as just one example


:popcorn:

You don't know what people here eat or don't eat.

:ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:

I do.

Vegetarians / Healthy Eaters
 

What comment? Her defense of traditional medicine? Not off base at all.

Yes
 

Could't agree with you more. I too like to enjoy life in moderation after a life of hard work.

I have read that and "The China Study".


I am not excited about Dr. Greger.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Greger

Vegetarians / Healthy Eaters
 

You're still correct doc. People believe some strange things about foods, supplements and certain diets. Much is hype, and a lot is just modern snake oil.

Neither am I. He's a salesman. And his American College of Lifestyle Medicine is a good example.

Of course I do. They eat the same as every other area of the US. Japan practices preventative medicine and the US very much practices reactive medicine. What Americans don't know will hurt them (and shorten their lives). Keep your heads in the sand and keep eating your prime rib and be happy.

I will. I personally eat red meat as much as possible. I like NY Strip steak. I like greasy hamburgers. I get take out from Wendy's with large fries. I use real butter and lots of it. And my LDL is 54. If you think the US doesn't practice preventative medicine, well, let's just say you are sadly misinformed.

Also note that nobody has replied with a LEGITIMATE study---and there is a good reason for that----there aren't any. Sorry to pop your balloon about the facts. But if the lifestyle works for you, by all means continue and feel free to ignore my comment---I'm not going to dictate diet to anyone.