San Bernardino Shooting.
 

San Bernardino shooting - LA Times

Will have to follow this horrible story. Wait for the facts to come out though before jumping to conclusions. These are becoming way too ordinary. https://www.facebook.com/yarmouthpol...type=3&theater

2 dead suspects identified in CA shooting - FOX5 Vegas - KVVU

I was sitting at Publix waiting for my husband to check out and i was reading about the shooting happening ( On my phone).. I mentioned to the gentlemen sitting next to me, " well, there is another mass shooting happening in california".. He said, so what .. Right there is what is going wrong with this country.. SO WHAT?? are we so insensitive that another shooting becomes ho-hum???

We seem to be becoming that way. San Bernardino Shootings: What We Know, One Day After : The Two-Way : NPR

A shame
 

Too bad that person feels that way. Wish l could ask him why he feels that way.

I will never be insensitive to these situations. I cannot imagine the pain caused by some lunatic(s). Put yourself in a situation like this, being at town square when it is jammed and four murderers open up... unthinkable...

All that said, I am so tired of our media. It is like they relish these things. I am not taking away from the event, but we really need every minute for the next two days rerunning the same thing? How about we just update for 10 minutes per hour?

At least remove the tag 'breaking news' :ohdear:

Frustrated to find my morning news fix on any cable new network, I resorted to the Today Show and there is Matt in CA. I did not even know Today Show pretended to do news anymore.

Americans killed by terrorists in the US from 9/11 on 3,500. Americans killed by gun related homicides for the same time period 160,000.
What passes for entertainment in this country has changed in the past 30 years. More shows highlight the use of guns and the bloodletting. Could this be influencing how contemporary Americans have become desensitized to the need to respect what power and responsibility there is with gun ownership.

San Berdoo is my home town. i lived there for over 30 years and am right now in the airport in Vegas waiting for my connecting flight to Ontario California. My family is all well but I have been glued to the TV since yesterday. Looks like this can happen anywhere. As the BBC reported, "just another day in America".

I don't understand your "same time period". The people killed on 9/11 were killed in about 2 1/2 hours and not all were American. I would think the 160,000 killed in gun related homicides were over a longer period of time.

Yep.

The guns were obtained legally according to the FBI

I happen to be a card carrying Democrat that believes in the 2nd amendment. It's not a party problem but a societal one. Christian morals are decaying with radical religious beliefs filling the void.

More gun laws, my foot!

You'd better ban remote-control toy cars and pressure cookers, too! Then stick your head farther down into the sand.

"Multiple federal and regional sources familiar with the investigation of the attack at San Bernardino's Inland Regional Center told NBC News that the controller was similar to the model car controller used in the Boston Marathon bombing of 2013.

.....The attackers had also prepared metal pipe bombs of the type used by the Tsarnaev brothers after the Boston Marathon bombing. San Bernardino Police Department Chief Jarrod Burguan said Thursday at a press conference that 12 pipe bombs were found at a residence in nearby Redlands.

Though there is no known link between the Boston and San Bernardino incidents, the California attackers and the Tsarnaev brothers seemed to be using designs found in multiple issues of Inspire magazine, the on-line publication of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula...."

San Bernardino Attackers Left Remote Controlled Bomb at Party - NBC News

Yep!

And in a state with some of the most rigorOus gun laws in the country!!!

It also demonstrates the nice polite couple next door with a six month old baby were the shooters/killers/terrorists!!

We are not saying something when we see something.........often enough!

I agree with Sable, those comments stood out to me as well. Just thinking back, the Vietnam War was about 10 years long and how many died there, 59,000 or so. I think 160,000 is a pretty big number. Also, I believe suicides by gun gets counted as a homicide and there are about 20,000 suicide by gun per year.

about 300 million guns now in the hands of americans. this is crazy.

What number killed would be acceptable?
Isn't it silly to be debating the numbers?

It is too late for that kind of talk. You can't shut the barn door after the horses are out. If we tried to take away guns the only people who would give them up are the ones who stop for stop signs, plus, THAT is not the issue. I am not a gun person, don't have any, but I can see why people may want to have them after hearing that man talk on National News who had been in the room and had gone to the bathroom just before the shooters came in. He was against guns too, but at the end he said he had worked with Farouk and thought he was a gentle person with the same American dream that he had. He said that he and another man had barricaded themselves in the bathroom and the bullets had pierced the wall and he didn't know it until he saw blood on himself in the mirror. He cried at the end of the interview and said he is thinking about getting a gun.


Religion, any religion is wrong if it kills.

I read that it was by a third party -- not the users of the weapons. SO the third party should be in trouble for lending them the weapons.

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Sorry folks - This isn't a gun problem it is a human problem!

People are not being brought up to respect each other. It is simply "Do whatever you want to do."

If anyone wants to kill they can get guns either legally or illegally.

All the gun laws in the world will not stop some MANIAC!

And we know full well the killing will not stop even if there were no guns.

In addition to a human problem it is one of enforcement.

Too much concern about whether we might hurt another's feelings if the laws were rigorously enforced as intended!

How fast do you all drive in the school zones?
And the reason is?

ENFORCEMENT.....it does work!

It's 160,000 over the last fifteen years. About 10,000 per year in a country of 330,000 people. Between 2009 and 2013 it was actually less than 9,000 per year. It's around 2/3 of all homicides.

In New Orleans, between 35-55% of homicides are classified as gang-related. In Chicago, an estimated 80% of homicides are gang-related. And in Baltimore, the police commissioner states that 80% of homicides are drug-related. Solve the problem of gang violence, and a huge chunk of the gun homicide and violence problem is solved.

Yup, they will indeed be in trouble. That's what laws do. They punish the people who break them. They don't prevent people who want to break them from doing so.

The two shooters are dead and the people who got the guns for them are in trouble. That doesn't change the fact that fourteen innocent people are dead and 21 wounded. No law would have prevented this.

I think the pipe bombs are probably illegal as well. These shooters are really going to be in trouble for that.

Incidentally, only some of the guns were obtained from a third party. Some were legally owned by the shooters.

Why? If guns, not criminals, were the problem, wouldn't there be many more homicides with that many weapons "in the hands" of Americans...and, by the way, I capitalize the word "Americans" out of respect for my country and its citizens.

Not nearly as crazy and BLOODTHIRSTY as those who blow arms and legs off defenseless spectators/runners with pressure cookers at a marathon, or who crash-bomb and take down skyscrapers with jetliners full of fuel, or whose primary tactic was to use propane tanks and gasoline cans to blow up Columbine HS, or who use knives to cut off 21 heads of Coptic Christians and one poor clerical worker at her desk at an Oklahoma food packing plant, while her co-worker kept her head on because a company owner had the brains to keep his gun and vest in his office for just such an occasion. But nobody even remembers or mentions THAT.

I remember, and you're right. No one seems to acknowledge the thousands of lives saved each year by the armed citizen. Thanks for bringing it up!

NBC News last night with Lester Holt
 

Not MSNBC, just the evening news.


Did anyone see the short interview with the three clerics from a local mosque where the shooters attended? There were three who responded to questions by a woman reporter sitting cross legged on the floor.


One's response to police coming at night to ask him questions.


The same one's response to a question about radicalization.


Did you see his non verbal reaction and hear what he said?


I did.

There are common sense solutions out there. Let's just see if our leaders keep taking these all-or-nothing stances.

What was the motive for this shooting? It still seems unknown.

When all is said and done, I suspect we will find that they were Muslim extremists. If that is in fact true, then that is your motivation.

Ditto what Gracie said in her last post.

Those of us whose posts were removed did notice. It's funny... immediately after the shootings, virtually all the mainstream talking heads...CNN, etc., speculated - with impunity - on national TV, that this was an act performed by "right wing extremists, anti-abortionists, Christian extremists, a militia movement", etc., etc., and suggested our guns were the source of the problem. When the identity of the terrorists was revealed, some even suggested that we need to protect Muslims from anti-Muslim backlash.

Now, however, none has the integrity or honesty to call this an ISIS-spawned terrorist attack. They're still groping for an elusive "motive"...and they're still calling these terrorists "home-grown". To France's credit, they identified their attack within minutes. We need to grow up. And we need our freedom of speech back. This PC stuff is destroying America.

This looks like an ISIS inspired attack. There is a big difference.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...led-14-people/

Explain the semantics to the victims. This is what I mean by PC.

Couldn't agree more. I heard on CNN - Wolf Blitzer yesterday, during a panel discussion -after much of the terror evidence was reported-say, "It appears that this was a mix of "Mass Shooting and Workplace Violence". These folks with their bias simply CANNOT face up to the fact - right from the top of the country...

If we had the current Leaders and media:

The Civil War would be termed - A Family Dispute.

Pearl Harbor would be - Airspace Infusion.

9/11/2001 would be - Wrongful use of Domestic Aircraft.

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Global Warming=Climate Change=Impending Destruction of our Civilization

Not a matter of PC but a matter of who caused what. If these shooters had orders or some kind of communications from ISIS then that would be pretty much an act-of-war against the US like what happened in Paris and would involve something like French politicians' re-action. If this were just some very angry people looking for a reason to go on a killing spree then that is a different matter that does not I hope involve an act-of-war against the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novemb..._Paris_attacks

I have been a victim advocate of sorts since January 1991 and my first thoughts are always for what victims/survivors are thinking.

This does look like a terrorist attack but one inspired by ISIS not controlled nor ordered in some way by them.

It took moments for Timothy McVeigh to be labeled a terrorist. What's the difference between his "act of terrorism" and the one with which we are now dealing? Euphemisms and semantics cannot alter fact. What you are suggesting is PC...and I would not take stock in anything CNN, the Washington Post or Wiki says...they, too, are biased. That's my opinion, the right to which I'm sure you would defend to the end.

These are terrorists who funded them, etc. are not yet known. That's not a matter of PC but of being accurate.

Well, then, the press, in their effort to be "accurate" certainly fell short in referring to the perps as "right wingers" and "pro-lifers". Here is a link to how "accurate" the reportage was, starring some of your favorite celebrity reporters:

Ten of the Dumbest Things Said About the San Bernardino Shootings | Power Line

The "Press" no longer cares about being accurate.
Basically all they want is to be first!
Secondly they want to push their own agenda - whatever that may be!

Have been sick and tired of this PC junk for a long time. Many people are starting to think this also.

What does the leader of Iran say....to kill the infidels....that is us. That is what the muslim religion preaches.

And just like in any other society even without the direction from religion there are some wackos who are going to kill other people....no matter the cause. And if, as in the case of muslims, there are some who cannot think and interpret for themselves.....they are wacko enough to believe what they are directed to do....by other wackos in high places.

So the radical wackos will attempt to carry out the mission to kill and be killed for the greater reward.

When these wackos are hidden in our society they take on the personna of the area they live and work. And of course their targeting will be within they areas they are most familiar. They have a long patience and will take what ever time it takes to plan and prepare for the ultimate attack. And in keeping with their wacko directions given, always seem to choose any place that is full of innocents and helpless to defend them selves.

There is no mystery. The American way....from television and movie traing all those years. What was the motive? Who did they pi$$ off? What revenge was being sought? and so on wasting time.

They are sworn to infiltrate, live among us and kill us.....those that are defenseless innocents.

......brainless cowards.