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Guest 12-30-2015 11:21 AM

Democrat House Resolution-Muslim hate speech
 
House Liberals have sponsored a resolution against hate speech of Muslims. Interesting how low they will go to get a few Muslim votes. They do seem desperate, in my opinion.

You can read the whole resolution if you wish, but I supplied a few of the interesting points/excerpts.

H.Res.569 — 114th Congress (2015-2016)
Introduced in House (12/17/2015)

"Whereas this Muslim community is recognized as having made innumerable contributions to the cultural and economic fabric and well-being of United States society;"


" Whereas the rise of hateful and anti-Muslim speech, violence, and cultural ignorance plays into the false narrative spread by terrorist groups of Western hatred of Islam, and can encourage certain individuals to react in extreme and violent ways: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

"(1) expresses its condolences for the victims of anti-Muslim hate crimes;"

"(3) denounces in the strongest terms the increase of hate speech,............."

"(4) recognizes that the United States Muslim community has made countless positive contributions to United States society;"

etc, etc, etc................

Guest 12-30-2015 11:23 AM

:bowdown:....:1rotfl:

Guest 12-30-2015 11:56 AM

I guess liberalism truly IS a mental disorder

Irrelevant, however, since the House will soundly defeat this politically motivated excrement

BTW, were they referring to the contributions by muslims such as Osama bin Laden, Major Hassan, that lovely San Bernadino couple and numerous others. Or just the contributions of muslim clerics in radical mosques, or the financial contributions of Iran and others that support these barbarians.

Guest 12-30-2015 11:57 AM

Your point is?
 
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Posted by Guest (Post 1164615)
House Liberals have sponsored a resolution against hate speech of Muslims. Interesting how low they will go to get a few Muslim votes. They do seem desperate, in my opinion.

You can read the whole resolution if you wish, but I supplied a few of the interesting points/excerpts.

H.Res.569 — 114th Congress (2015-2016)
Introduced in House (12/17/2015)

"Whereas this Muslim community is recognized as having made innumerable contributions to the cultural and economic fabric and well-being of United States society;"


" Whereas the rise of hateful and anti-Muslim speech, violence, and cultural ignorance plays into the false narrative spread by terrorist groups of Western hatred of Islam, and can encourage certain individuals to react in extreme and violent ways: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

"(1) expresses its condolences for the victims of anti-Muslim hate crimes;"

"(3) denounces in the strongest terms the increase of hate speech,............."

"(4) recognizes that the United States Muslim community has made countless positive contributions to United States society;"

etc, etc, etc................

Your point is?

Guest 12-30-2015 12:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164628)
Your point is?

I'll answer that for the OP

The point is: What kind of morons would propose such a resolution, and worse yet, what kind of morons would vote for them? I suggest, since they have such love for muslim contributions, they can move to a muslim country and see what they have built for themselves, and how they govern it.

Guest 12-30-2015 12:23 PM

Getting to the point
 
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Posted by Guest (Post 1164628)
Your point is?

Your point is?????? Please expand your snarky comment.

Guest 12-30-2015 12:43 PM

It's very curious that if we go to these foreign lands and act as they act here we'd possibly be stoned to death. Seems rather one sided. We have to be sensitive to their needs, wants, religion, way of life yet they don't have to return the favor.

Guest 12-30-2015 12:47 PM

Wasn't really "snarky"...
 
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Posted by Guest (Post 1164645)
Your point is?????? Please expand your snarky comment.

and no...it wasn't me that asked that question...but it was you who used that stupid word "snarky". A word designed to cover any comment designed to reflect the holier than though attitude of the person using it.

They asked because they wanted to know if they had a point to make in lieu of just trying to stir the pot. Seems a reasonable request to a sane person. If taken in context your comment was actually nastier than the person who asked "Your point is?".

Guest 12-30-2015 12:57 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164628)
Your point is?

If you need ask, then the post is over your head. I believe the point of the post is some what evident, but I guess I could have supplied the article that had this linked to it. However, I felt that the conservative "bias" would have been a bit too much for our liberal friend. I would not like to see his head explode just prior to the new year. :boom:

Guest 12-30-2015 01:02 PM

An attempt to mandate another hate crime, and limit free speech? I guess the campus mentality has permeated to the public sector.

Guest 12-30-2015 01:06 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164637)
I'll answer that for the OP

The point is: What kind of morons would propose such a resolution, and worse yet, what kind of morons would vote for them? I suggest, since they have such love for muslim contributions, they can move to a muslim country and see what they have built for themselves, and how they govern it.

For the Muslims that we have in The Villages - we should tell them to go back to Syria where they came from?

I also believe there are a few Muslim Congressmen who were voted into office. Shall we revoke their citizenship - even though they were born in the US (unlike Rafael Cruz, Jr) and send them to Syria, too?

Guest 12-30-2015 01:25 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164659)
For the Muslims that we have in The Villages - we should tell them to go back to Syria where they came from?

I also believe there are a few Muslim Congressmen who were voted into office. Shall we revoke their citizenship - even though they were born in the US (unlike Rafael Cruz, Jr) and send them to Syria, too?

Since you enjoy moving over to the extreme when you reply, let me up you one.
How do you know that ALL of the Muslims in the Villages are from Syria?

And,

As a matter of fact, some of the sponsors of the HR WERE Muslim.

Did anyone suggest that they have their citizenship revoked? And maybe it is not such a bad idea, IF they are Anti-American and pro-radical Islam.

There, not quite as hysterical as your reply, but maybe--maybe you can see how ridiculous your reply is. But, maybe not...........

Guest 12-30-2015 01:28 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164659)
For the Muslims that we have in The Villages - we should tell them to go back to Syria where they came from?

I also believe there are a few Muslim Congressmen who were voted into office. Shall we revoke their citizenship - even though they were born in the US (unlike Rafael Cruz, Jr) and send them to Syria, too?

"we should tell them to go back to Syria where they came from?" Sorry, according to the HR, if passed, that would be a violation of the hate speech.

Guest 12-30-2015 01:38 PM

These terms conservative and liberal. Let's see you are conservative if you take away the rights of an American Citizen to make a decision for herself and you are liberal if you want to give her that right. hmmmmm! Conservative or Liberal is more complicated depending on the subject matter I would say.

Guest 12-30-2015 01:42 PM

You mean some morons in Congress came up with a resolution that has no chance of passing. I am shocked.

Guest 12-30-2015 01:43 PM

Freedom to worship is a liberal point of view but it's conservative to take that right away from an American citizen. Some people have a twisted mind.

Guest 12-30-2015 02:07 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164650)
It's very curious that if we go to these foreign lands and act as they act here we'd possibly be stoned to death. Seems rather one sided. We have to be sensitive to their needs, wants, religion, way of life yet they don't have to return the favor.

We are sensitive to people's needs, wants, religion, and way of life because we are American, and our nation was founded on such principles.

Guest 12-30-2015 02:36 PM

The muslim lovers/supporters/promoters/leveragers can get at the end of the long line of others who for some reason in this day and age do not get the same treatment as muslims!!!!

If they don't like what they hear and read....don't listen....don't read it.
If they don't like that it is said or printed here they certainly can leave and go some where that suits their needs.

Shame on the politicians/educators/academia for representing them in a light that supports taking away from our freedoms to satisfy the few muslims with connections.

Linguine spined, no cahones, permissive, keep the muslims happy at the expense of the majority of us Americans!!!!

Guest 12-30-2015 02:40 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164645)
Your point is?????? Please expand your snarky comment.

If you can't understand the comment, that is a serious problem you have!

Guest 12-30-2015 02:44 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164696)
We are sensitive to people's needs, wants, religion, and way of life because we are American, and our nation was founded on such principles.

Aren't we entitled to the pursuit of life, liberty, and some radical Muslims want to take that away, and millions of other Muslims are
silent about it!

Guest 12-30-2015 02:52 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164659)
for the muslims that we have in the villages - we should tell them to go back to syria where they came from?

I also believe there are a few muslim congressmen who were voted into office. Shall we revoke their citizenship - even though they were born in the us (unlike rafael cruz, jr) and send them to syria, too?

yes

Guest 12-30-2015 05:18 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164681)
These terms conservative and liberal. Let's see you are conservative if you take away the rights of an American Citizen to make a decision for herself and you are liberal if you want to give her that right. hmmmmm! Conservative or Liberal is more complicated depending on the subject matter I would say.

You are a bit confused. Conservatives wish to save a life and liberals wish to take a life. Conservatives have no problem executing the evil murderer and the liberal wants to save him. A conservative believes that an innocent life is more important that the murderer that wishes to take that life. The liberal believes in contraception paid for by the government(via abortion), at the expense of the innocent life. So, it is not the life of the female that is of anyone's concern. It is the life of the unborn and the expense the tax payer has to foot for that contraception. Because that is what it is, abortion equal contraception. Less than 1% are due to medical issues. 90%+ are due to convenience. So, please try to be truthful for a change. Just admit it, that liberals are lazy about contraceptive and want the Gov to subsidize it for them. Liberals are needy and NEED the gov nanny. Don't blame it on conservatives for having morals. And please stop trying to justify the sale of baby body parts for profit, as a necessity for research.

In short, get over yourself. Quit trying to convince yourself that the liberal way is the right way. It is obvious that with your argument, that your evidence is weak and not even convincing yourself.

So, next time you attempt to divert from the thread, at least have a good, solid point. Something that you can convincingly defend.

Guest 12-30-2015 10:18 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164637)
I'll answer that for the OP

The point is: What kind of morons would propose such a resolution, and worse yet, what kind of morons would vote for them? I suggest, since they have such love for muslim contributions, they can move to a muslim country and see what they have built for themselves, and how they govern it.

The same morons that bent over and grabbed their ankles and voted for Omnibus spending bill two weeks ago

Guest 12-30-2015 10:42 PM

This thread shows anyone who may be thinking of moving toThe Villages that there are many closed minded people living in The Villages and this place does not tolerate those who "are not like us".

One poster on here is open about his homophobic feelings, several post their diislike for African-Americans (in not subtle ways), and now - against hate crime status for different religions.

Pitiful.

Guest 12-31-2015 12:00 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164878)
This thread shows anyone who may be thinking of moving toThe Villages that there are many closed minded people living in The Villages and this place does not tolerate those who "are not like us".

One poster on here is open about his homophobic feelings, several post their diislike for African-Americans (in not subtle ways), and now - against hate crime status for different religions.

Pitiful.

Sorry, but while people should be tolerant and accepting of all religions, ethnicities, races and sexual preferences, YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY. It is even more divisive than leaving people to their own conscience. There are many people who would be more than willing to accept a gay, or black, or Muslim neighbor---until they are told THEY HAVE TO, then they rebel against the very thing they did not mind in the first place.

Guest 12-31-2015 06:46 AM

Dear Guests:

It is not the intent of the Democrats House Resolution that is wrong, its that it is redundant because we already have enacted such laws. So in my view the Resolution is suspect because its based on politics and not for humanutarian reasons.

As to the Muslim question. Muslim, Jews, Christians are all children of Abraham.
All religions flowing from Abraham have at one time or another been radicalized or have had secretarian schisms over the centuries. The Muslims seemed to be the last with their disdain for anyone designated as an infidel a ****e or a Sunni.

Some members on this particular thread seem to have fallen victim of the fallacy of composition or perhaps hasty generalization.

Some Muslims are bad but not all Muslims are bad

Some Greeks are bad but not all Greeks are bad

Some Americans are bad but not all Americans are bad

So it behooves us all in order to have clear communications perhaps addressing those Islam radical terrorist who are bent on destroying those they deem as infidels are the group that we are referring to AND also those Muslims who by their silence are complicit in the terrorist acts of their faith.


Personal Best Regards

Guest 12-31-2015 06:49 AM

Dear Guest:

We have a poltergist on this thread as my previous post verifies It recorded
a ****e and Sunni. I wrote a ****e and Sunni??????

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 12-31-2015 07:33 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164878)
This thread shows anyone who may be thinking of moving toThe Villages that there are many closed minded people living in The Villages and this place does not tolerate those who "are not like us".

One poster on here is open about his homophobic feelings, several post their diislike for African-Americans (in not subtle ways), and now - against hate crime status for different religions.

Pitiful.

Yes, we certainly do have some close minded people living here, LIBERALS. But, they are few as compared to the caring conservatives. We have a virtually crime free community, NO THANKS to liberals. We have a community with Christmas decorations throughout during the holidays. We have clean streets. We have rules enforced where it is quiet in the late evenings. Yep, a liberal free community seems to be working out quite nice, thank you.

Guest 12-31-2015 08:10 AM

Hfortunately, we do not have a liberal-free community. We liberals are, most of whom are wise enough and old enough to cherish our conservative friends. Liberals do embrace the right of people to celebrate their religion, on their personal property, just not on government property. Yes, we are anti -death penalty, as are most civilized nations of the world. Yes, we are pro-abortion as we believe women shouldn't be forced to raise a child that is unwanted and unloved, especially raised in poverty. More importantly, we do not believe is a child. It is a fertilized egg that is not viable outside of the womb. We believe everyone is entitled to a fair and just trial. We believe that everyone has a right to live peacefully and lawfully in the United States without fear of being tormented for race, religion, political beliefs, etc.

Is this bill being presented a bad bill? Not really. It is a waste of time since, as has been stated, there are already laws banning hate speech and actions. Personally, I'd rather some teeth be put into these laws. You want to spew venom? Feel free to do so in the confines of your home. Don't defile a synagogue or a mosque. Don't call someone a derogatory name because of the color of their skin or their choice of clothing.

So, dear conservatives, don't be too quick to put us liberals down. We have as much right to our views as you do yours. Many of us have thought long and hard before coming to our conclusions. Without us, this world would be a much uglier place.

Red

Guest 12-31-2015 08:36 AM

For me it has nothing to do with open or closed mindedness.....which after all is just someone elses opinion of what another believes or not.

It is ALL ABOUT trying to take away that which most of us have had all out lives and have able to co-exist with others for all these years.
So I don't care what muslims (current forcus) or others believe or not, support or not, et al. All we ask is that they NOT TRY TO TAKE OURS AWAY because they happen to not belive/support/accept.

Who said it becomes fair when some have to give up their beliefs because it may be offensive to some others.

Just like the rest of us do every day, the muslims and all others that do not like what they hear....they do not have to listen. And for those who do not like what they see, don't look. And if they do not like how it is done in America.....let them go some where else.

I will not give up my freedoms because of a few who don't like them.

The whole thing is nothing more than political and media BS....to the max.

LIke it or not the majority of America rules......not some special interest or minority group.

Stop the watering down of American values....remember and remind those who would take away our freedoms to accomodate theirs are in fact taking away our freedoms.

Guest 12-31-2015 08:46 AM

The poster above stated INCORRECTLY (again) that the majority of Americans rule. Wrong, Bubba!

It is the majority of American VOTERS who get to decide.

The Obama Administration was twice voted into office by the majority of American VOTERS.

Remember, if you did not vote, you have no right to complain. Your vote is your voice.

Guest 12-31-2015 09:11 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164936)
For me it has nothing to do with open or closed mindedness.....which after all is just someone elses opinion of what another believes or not.

It is ALL ABOUT trying to take away that which most of us have had all out lives and have able to co-exist with others for all these years.
So I don't care what muslims (current forcus) or others believe or not, support or not, et al. All we ask is that they NOT TRY TO TAKE OURS AWAY because they happen to not belive/support/accept.

Who said it becomes fair when some have to give up their beliefs because it may be offensive to some others.

Just like the rest of us do every day, the muslims and all others that do not like what they hear....they do not have to listen. And for those who do not like what they see, don't look. And if they do not like how it is done in America.....let them go some where else.

I will not give up my freedoms because of a few who don't like them.

The whole thing is nothing more than political and media BS....to the max.

LIke it or not the majority of America rules......not some special interest or minority group.

Stop the watering down of American values....remember and remind those who would take away our freedoms to accomodate theirs are in fact taking away our freedoms.

:agree:...:thumbup:......good post.

Guest 12-31-2015 09:39 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164944)
The poster above stated INCORRECTLY (again) that the majority of Americans rule. Wrong, Bubba!

It is the majority of American VOTERS who get to decide.

The Obama Administration was twice voted into office by the majority of American VOTERS.

Remember, if you did not vote, you have no right to complain. Your vote is your voice.

So, according to you, I have no right to free speech (right to complain) if I choose not to vote. Interesting perspective.

Guest 12-31-2015 09:44 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164963)
So, according to you, I have no right to free speech (right to complain) if I choose not to vote. Interesting perspective.

Like I have said before on here, YOU love to use extremes when replying to someone's post. I believe the poster was saying that one that does not vote, can't complain about the outcome. Just putting it in language that you might understand. And I typed real slow too, so you can read it. You wonder why no one respects you. Try reading your own responses to people, and you might/might understand why. No one said anything about removing your right to "free speech." Geesh, grow up.

Guest 12-31-2015 09:52 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164969)
Like I have said before on here, YOU love to use extremes when replying to someone's post. I believe the poster was saying that one that does not vote, can't complain about the outcome. Just putting it in language that you might understand. And I typed real slow too, so you can read it. You wonder why no one respects you. Try reading your own responses to people, and you might/might understand why. No one said anything about removing your right to "free speech." Geesh, grow up.

"You wonder why no one respects you". You've got to be kidding. Why would I care what you think?

Guest 12-31-2015 09:58 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164944)
The poster above stated INCORRECTLY (again) that the majority of Americans rule. Wrong, Bubba!

It is the majority of American VOTERS who get to decide.

The Obama Administration was twice voted into office by the majority of American VOTERS.

Remember, if you did not vote, you have no right to complain. Your vote is your voice.

Aren't you once again shuffling the deck to have your words make your point but you have this continuing issue with re-stating the intent of the post you are quoting to make YOUR point.

We all understand the majority of the voters will win an election.

SEPARATE SUBJECT BELOW:


The majority of Americans do determine outcomes (this has nothing to do with who wins an election that you are hung up on).
Eventually the silent majority, before it no longer is, will rise up and fight the watering down and taking away of our values and freedoms.

Vote however you want.
Believe what ever you want (or not).
Do what ever you want.
Go where ever you want.

But do not think for a minute because we do not share your point of view....or that we do/see/say things differently than you and any other minority or special interest group or political BS....that you or anybody else has the right to chastise us.....or take away our freedoms and beliefs.

Your continual bashing of those with another opinion than yours has well worn it's effect out. I would make a bet you are not so forward and disespectful at home or any other face to face discussion.

Guest 12-31-2015 10:00 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164973)
"You wonder why no one respects you". You've got to be kidding. Why would I care what you think?

Hopefully, in 2016, there will be a lot less of your trolling. Develop an interest in another activity and leave this forum to us grown-up, little boy. Your mommy is probably tired of you at home during Christmas break. We definitely are!

Guest 12-31-2015 10:04 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164973)
"You wonder why no one respects you". You've got to be kidding. Why would I care what you think?

Well, since you are the one that comes on here whining about getting no respect, that would be a good indicator.

Your replies to comments are equivalent to a child asking his parent if he can go to the movies and being told no. He then replies "So, I can NEVER go to the movies?"

You are the one that says it is a war against women's rights if we don't believe the taxpayer should pay for their birth control. EXTREMES.

Your false indignity is so disingenuous.

But, you are not the only liberal that talks that way. It is ingrained into the liberal psyche. Being the needy victim.

Guest 12-31-2015 10:04 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164975)
Hopefully, in 2016, there will be a lot less of your trolling. Develop an interest in another activity and leave this forum to us grown-up, little boy. Your mommy is probably tired of you at home during Christmas break. We definitely are!

Sorry to disappoint you, but i will be here in 2016.:pepper2:

Guest 12-31-2015 10:14 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1164979)
Sorry to disappoint you, but i will be here in 2016.:pepper2:

You enjoy the attention so much that you endure the humiliation, right?


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