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goodtimesintv 01-10-2016 04:38 PM

Now I've seen it ALL in a roundabout!
 
A few minutes ago. As I yielded/stopped for vehicles in both lanes to my left, at entrance to the roundabout at Morse and Stillwater, myself heading northbound on Morse.

Vehicle to my left came around the circle as if intending to either exit onto Stillwater to my east, or keep going around to go north on Morse.

When this driver to my left got just past the exit onto southbound Morse (to my left), said driver must have thought they missed their exit and stopped and backed up, trying to get back enough to go south on Morse! Said driver screwed up drivers coming around in both lanes beside and behind him IN the roundabout, AND the drivers doing a right turn from Stillwater onto Morse southbound. It could have been an 8-car pileup.

Note to everybody who's never been here and thinks it's just a bunch of old people too feeble to drive, think again: At least eight other of us drivers were keenly alert and did not hit or get hit by that crazy person backing up inside a roundabout and at the convergence of two entry lanes northbound, two lanes southbound, and right turn lane for those turning right from Stillwater onto Morse southbound.

Please. If you do not know enough to keep going and not stop/back-up when you miss your turn IN a roundabout, please stay off the road.

John_W 01-10-2016 06:15 PM

Twice in the past two weeks I've had drivers in the roundabout stop and yield to me, while I was waiting to enter the roundabout. I quickly rolled down my window both times and waved the driver to keep going.

tomwed 01-10-2016 06:26 PM

I'm happy to hear everyone reacted the way they did. You guys should get "I survived the guy going backwards in a circle" tee shirts.

John_W 01-10-2016 06:50 PM

I just remembered another good one from about a month ago. While going around the Turtle Mound roundabout on Buena Visa I saw a car parked on the right hand side in the roundabout. The driver was reading his map.

bagboy 01-10-2016 07:46 PM

I see eastbound Stillwater traffic enter the roundabout in the right lane and proceed on around and go north on Morse Blvd on a regular basis. In fact, when using that roundabout it's rare not to see that happen. And it's a year round occurrence, not just a busy season phenomenon. Just have to be careful.

JoMar 01-10-2016 08:51 PM

I have also seen a couple left turns from the right lane.....I try never to go through a roundabout with a car alongside me plus I always use turn signals which has helped.

Topspinmo 01-10-2016 08:54 PM

"Be aware or the right laner doing the short route (roundabout shuffle) entering the roundabout, then crossing into the left lane and crossing back into the right lane as they exit the roundabout. All the time not using blinker or looking if some one wa besie them. Luckily for the third time in month I was anticipated this move. I try to never have car beside me in round about. I either slow down or speed up to keep the distance.

golfing eagles 01-10-2016 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1169734)
I see eastbound Stillwater traffic enter the roundabout in the right lane and proceed on around and go north on Morse Blvd on a regular basis. In fact, when using that roundabout it's rare not to see that happen. And it's a year round occurrence, not just a busy season phenomenon. Just have to be careful.

Same thing happens all the time with southbound Buena Vista cars going around in right lane to Hillsborough gate, and also 44A eastbound going around to Buena Vista north. I just hang back and wait for the inevitable

xkeowner 01-10-2016 10:15 PM

Wrong Way
 
Twice at the roundabout on Morse next to the Havana Country Club I have met cars at night going around it the wrong direction. Fortunately, traffic was light and there was not a wreck. Both times it was after 9:00 pm and I had to wonder if they were leaving the bar at Havana. This was during the previous ownership when I have been told drinks there were among the cheapest in the area.

xcaligirl 01-10-2016 11:48 PM

Right when I think I've seen it all, another person makes my jaw drop! It's always an 'adventure' driving around here. Not the type of adventure I'm ever looking for but one I look out for!

Fred R 01-11-2016 08:24 AM

Whenever I enter a roundabout, especially on my Goldwing, I always say a little prayer. You never know what folks are going to do. Can be scary.

goodtimesintv 01-11-2016 08:56 AM

I realize some coming here don't have a lot of roundabouts where they came from, to have experience with them. But knowing not to stop and back up diagonally to make a Y-turn at a 2-lane exit in one is pretty basic!

Topspinmo 01-11-2016 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1169734)
I see eastbound Stillwater traffic enter the roundabout in the right lane and proceed on around and go north on Morse Blvd on a regular basis. In fact, when using that roundabout it's rare not to see that happen. And it's a year round occurrence, not just a busy season phenomenon. Just have to be careful.

Isn't that multi-lane roundabout with bypass to the north from the south side? I rarely go east on Stillwater? If so there is nothing wrong with right lane traffic going around to the north exit due there is not straight through exit going east.

WSDOT - How to drive a roundabout

Look at multi-lane example on straight through example. I look for who has the right away in the circle, but can't find it.. I would think you must yield to anybody beside you or ahead of you in either lane of multi-lane round about. IMO this where it gets confusing. That's why I don't like being beside someone in roundabout.

jpvillager 01-11-2016 09:23 AM

Told a friend I assume no one knows what they are doing in a roundabout including myself. His reply is to take both lanes.

NotFromAroundHere 01-11-2016 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1169890)
Isn't that multi-lane roundabout with bypass to the north from the south side? I rarely go east on Stillwater? If so there is nothing wrong with right lane traffic going around to the north exit due there is not straight through exit going east.


But eastbound to northbound is still a "left" turn, so one should use the left lane.

bagboy 01-11-2016 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1169890)
Isn't that multi-lane roundabout with bypass to the north from the south side? I rarely go east on Stillwater? If so there is nothing wrong with right lane traffic going around to the north exit due there is not straight through exit going east.

WSDOT - How to drive a roundabout

Look at multi-lane example on straight through example. I look for who has the right away in the circle, but can't find it.. I would think you must yield to anybody beside you or ahead of you in either lane of multi-lane round about. IMO this where it gets confusing. That's why I don't like being beside someone in roundabout.

At that roundabout, you can proceed east into the village of Caroline. So the driver in the right can should only have the "go south on Morse" option, or continue on straight into Caroline. As a side note, when a driver is in the left lane to continue around and go north on Morse, they most likely will be blocked from using that bypass from either the car going all the way around, or a driver coming out of Caroline.
It's just one place that I know to be extra careful.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 01-11-2016 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xkeowner (Post 1169796)
Twice at the roundabout on Morse next to the Havana Country Club I have met cars at night going around it the wrong direction. Fortunately, traffic was light and there was not a wreck. Both times it was after 9:00 pm and I had to wonder if they were leaving the bar at Havana. This was during the previous ownership when I have been told drinks there were among the cheapest in the area.

Maybe they were visiting from the UK.

golfing eagles 01-11-2016 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1169922)
At that roundabout, you can proceed east into the village of Caroline. So the driver in the right can should only have the "go south on Morse" option, or continue on straight into Caroline. As a side note, when a driver is in the left lane to continue around and go north on Morse, they most likely will be blocked from using that bypass from either the car going all the way around, or a driver coming out of Caroline.
It's just one place that I know to be extra careful.

Also, in any 4 way RB, the person going straight in the left lane better beware of the person going straight in the right lane who entered 90 degrees from the right---both are proceeding legally, but OOPS! Best to never get along side anyone in a RB. Again, no one should enter a RB with traffic coming around in EITHER lane, yet it happens all the time, especially when there are a few cars waiting to enter the RB

Mikeod 01-11-2016 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1169890)
Isn't that multi-lane roundabout with bypass to the north from the south side? I rarely go east on Stillwater? If so there is nothing wrong with right lane traffic going around to the north exit due there is not straight through exit going east.

WSDOT - How to drive a roundabout

Look at multi-lane example on straight through example. I look for who has the right away in the circle, but can't find it.. I would think you must yield to anybody beside you or ahead of you in either lane of multi-lane round about. IMO this where it gets confusing. That's why I don't like being beside someone in roundabout.

I think you're referring to the one nearer the bridge. The one we're talking about is the one more south at Stillwater. People going east on Stillwater from Canal St. that want to use the bypass lane continue to use the right lane inappropriately so they don't have to merge to the right to get into the bypass lane. IMO, there's plenty of time to merge to the right after using the roundabout properly.

Same thing happens at Buena Vista at Stillwater. People going south enter in the right lane intending to exit onto Stillwater and have to cross a solid line to do so.

I see two reasons for this. One, people who have not encountered roundabouts previously and are confused how to navigate them. And two, people who HAVE encountered roundabouts elsewhere and just KNOW how to do it so they don't pay attention to the signs that designate lane use.

OMG, another RAB thread!!!! And I posted on it. Shame, shame.

golfing eagles 01-11-2016 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeod (Post 1169957)
OMG, another RAB thread!!!! And I posted on it. Shame, shame.

To paraphrase another poster's tag line, "The closest thing to eternal life is a RB thread" (or seat saving or line dancers or golf ambassadors or..........)

Topspinmo 01-11-2016 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeod (Post 1169957)
I think you're referring to the one nearer the bridge. The one we're talking about is the one more south at Stillwater. People going east on Stillwater from Canal St. that want to use the bypass lane continue to use the right lane inappropriately so they don't have to merge to the right to get into the bypass lane. IMO, there's plenty of time to merge to the right after using the roundabout properly.

Same thing happens at Buena Vista at Stillwater. People going south enter in the right lane intending to exit onto Stillwater and have to cross a solid line to do so.

I see two reasons for this. One, people who have not encountered roundabouts previously and are confused how to navigate them. And two, people who HAVE encountered roundabouts elsewhere and just KNOW how to do it so they don't pay attention to the signs that designate lane use.

OMG, another RAB thread!!!! And I posted on it. Shame, shame.

Your right I thought it was the one behind the offices and grocery store that runs
into the lake.

jjdees 01-11-2016 05:04 PM

There's a new phenomenon. People now think the vehicle making a left turn have the right away where approaching traffic will wait in place while those approaching make their left turns. I've experienced this under all sorts of conditions where traffic grinds to a halt because no one knows what the hell is going on. How did this mind set occur? I can only think it's because someone without any common sense or experience did this and the sheep follow. It sounds like those it a roundabout have the same illness. I also think it has a connection to political correction run amuck.

rjm1cc 01-11-2016 07:22 PM

For drivers that are not use to the runabouts the 2 lane ones can be confusing.Maybe they should be converted to one lane???

tomwed 01-11-2016 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjm1cc (Post 1170245)
For drivers that are not use to the runabouts the 2 lane ones can be confusing.Maybe they should be converted to one lane???

one with butter please

JoMar 01-11-2016 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjm1cc (Post 1170245)
For drivers that are not use to the runabouts the 2 lane ones can be confusing.Maybe they should be converted to one lane???

That will slow things down.

rubicon 01-12-2016 05:47 AM

My friends, my friends, my friends, You live in The Villages EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED. We have people from just about every geographical area in the Western Hemisphere. It should be clear to everyone that utilized a round-a-bout once that some folks are just too timid. Tthey don't know the difference between yield and stop. They can't see that a round-a-bout is no more than a curved intersection. They either panic or have short attention spans when navigating? They haven't figured out that if they signal their intentions it helps other drivers. We big city drivers understand the complexities of multiple lanes on/off exits etc and recognize that all you need to do is go with the flow and trust ( well trust but verify) every other driver knows what s/he is doing because s/he who hesitates creates a stoppage of traffic

Of course all of this still can't explain why I almost rear ended a guy who parked his golf cart in the left lane of a round-about and was out walking around:D

I am grateful for round-a-bouts because they 1) alleviate traffic 2) give me a break to talk about something better than the awful politics of today

Personal Best Regards:

golfing eagles 01-12-2016 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjm1cc (Post 1170245)
For drivers that are not use to the runabouts the 2 lane ones can be confusing.Maybe they should be converted to one lane???

Maybe these "drivers" should learn how to navigate a 2 lane RB, just like the rest of us did. I would suggest ASAP.

Madelaine Amee 01-12-2016 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1170333)
It should be clear to everyone that utilized a round-a-bout once that some folks are just too timid. They don't know the difference between yield and stop. They can't see that a round-a-bout is no more than a curved intersection. They either panic or have short attention spans when navigating? They haven't figured out that if they signal their intentions it helps other drivers.

:BigApplause:
You nailed this one .............. when navigating a roundabout from the inside lane, have you ever glanced over and seen the look of absolute terror that the person on the outside lane has etched on their face and these are the people that always navigate every roundabout from the outside lane, they are also the driver to be most afraid of meeting in a roundabout because you do not have a clue where they are going.

Bogie Shooter 01-12-2016 08:45 AM

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

dbussone 01-12-2016 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpvillager (Post 1169904)
Told a friend I assume no one knows what they are doing in a roundabout including myself. His reply is to take both lanes.


That's actually done fairly frequently. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone blow through a round about and use both lanes in an effort to make as straight a line as possible. Idiots like that would last about 15 seconds on the 4 lane rotaries in the Boston area.

tomwed 01-12-2016 10:34 AM

I have a new idea. You know when you go in older departments stores with revolving doors. You never get hurt or bump into anyone. Why can't we have revolving doors on all the circles.

I hope nobody tries to steal this idea before I copyright it. [insert winking emoticons going in and out of a revolving door]

autumnspring 01-12-2016 11:19 AM

My dad taught me to drive. While he passed away several years ago, I still hear him saying,"Expect the other driver to do the stupidest possible thing, because that is exactly what he is going to do."
Clearly, those roundabouts are dangerous. Many years ago they had them in Brooklyn AND THEY WERE ALL REMOVED.
I've read that the person in the LEFT lane is allowed to make a right turn. THIS IS INSANITY. Since you need to-or perhaps should, slow down at the roundabout, perhaps they should be one lane.

dbussone 01-12-2016 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1170459)
I have a new idea. You know when you go in older departments stores with revolving doors. You never get hurt or bump into anyone. Why can't we have revolving doors on all the circles.

I hope nobody tries to steal this idea before I copyright it. [insert winking emoticons going in and out of a revolving door]

I can just see it now Tom. Great idea, but you probably should avoid using glass.

autumnspring 01-12-2016 11:27 AM

drivers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xcaligirl (Post 1169805)
Right when I think I've seen it all, another person makes my jaw drop! It's always an 'adventure' driving around here. Not the type of adventure I'm ever looking for but one I look out for!

Perhaps the issue is sooo many drivers from different places. I've had people stop on both sides of the road to talk making it impossible to pass. That to me is a me me or g-d bless me and screw you. From that type of self centered person a toot on the horn, flashing your lights results in a dirty look for disturbing them.

dbussone 01-12-2016 11:32 AM

Now I've seen it ALL in a roundabout!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by suesiegel (Post 1170503)
My dad taught me to drive. While he passed away several years ago, I still hear him saying,"Expect the other driver to do the stupidest possible thing, because that is exactly what he is going to do."
Clearly, those roundabouts are dangerous. Many years ago they had them in Brooklyn AND THEY WERE ALL REMOVED.
I've read that the person in the LEFT lane is allowed to make a right turn. THIS IS INSANITY. Since you need to-or perhaps should, slow down at the roundabout, perhaps they should be one lane.

Rotaries are being used successfully in numerous communities. Las Vegas piloted single lane rotaries and they were a disaster. One averaged 4-5 accidents a week - luckily (poor choice of words) the rotary was right in front of a hospital. A second lane was added and mostly solved the problem. The inebriated in Vegas, and rotaries, just don't mix well.

Rotaries in the Boston area are mostly 4 lanes, and have been around longer than I have. I've never seen an accident on one.

If you look at the directional signs prior to entering our rotaries in TV you'll see that right turns from the left lane are prohibited.

So what's wrong With Brooklyn? Any thing obvious? ::jester::

tomwed 01-12-2016 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1170506)
I can just see it now Tom. Great idea, but you probably should avoid using glass.

Like a turnstile......hmmmmm The kind that can't go backwards.
I think you got something there.

Bogie Shooter 01-12-2016 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesiegel (Post 1170503)
My dad taught me to drive. While he passed away several years ago, I still hear him saying,"Expect the other driver to do the stupidest possible thing, because that is exactly what he is going to do."
Clearly, those roundabouts are dangerous. Many years ago they had them in Brooklyn AND THEY WERE ALL REMOVED.
I've read that the person in the LEFT lane is allowed to make a right turn. THIS IS INSANITY. Since you need to-or perhaps should, slow down at the roundabout, perhaps they should be one lane.

Where did you read this?

NotGolfer 01-12-2016 01:47 PM

Three quarters of the way around the Round-about is this: You're to be in the left lane if you are planning a right turn. Car in right lane comes barreling upon this and hits the turning car will be cited. Of course folks "should be" using that lever on their steering wheel post that's there for a reason---it's called a turn signal. There is a Tutorial on YouTube re: driving the round-abouts.

tomwed 01-12-2016 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 1170596)
Three quarters of the way around the Round-about is this: You're to be in the left lane if you are planning a right turn. Car in right lane comes barreling upon this and hits the turning car will be cited. Of course folks "should be" using that lever on their steering wheel post that's there for a reason---it's called a turn signal. There is a Tutorial on YouTube re: driving the round-abouts.

This one?

dbussone 01-12-2016 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1170605)
This one?



I got "bad request" trying the link Tom. Kinda like turning right from the left hand lane in a rotary?


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