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Guest 01-23-2016 07:24 AM
republicans and flint
 
“This is an amoral display of political apathy by Republican leaders. Their failure to run to the crisis, roll up their sleeves and pitch in tells the world that we are still the same old Republicans who only care about those who would vote for or contribute to them,” said Alex Castellanos, a political operative who is not working for any of the Republican presidential contenders.

What say yea republicans, maybe its President Obama's fault.

Guest 01-23-2016 07:43 AM
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“This is an amoral display of political apathy by Republican leaders. Their failure to run to the crisis, roll up their sleeves and pitch in tells the world that we are still the same old Republicans who only care about those who would vote for or contribute to them,” said Alex Castellanos, a political operative who is not working for any of the Republican presidential contenders.

What say yea republicans, maybe its President Obama's fault.
Well, now that you mention it, the EPA can take some credit on this. And the EPA is Obama's favorite, so you can decide how you wish to look at it. Of course, it is NEVER a liberal's problem.

Guest 01-23-2016 08:21 AM
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Well, now that you mention it, the EPA can take some credit on this. And the EPA is Obama's favorite, so you can decide how you wish to look at it. Of course, it is NEVER a liberal's problem.
Maybe I have this wrong, but wasn't the decision to poison the folks of Flint a republican one, the governor's cronies did it with his knowledge.

Guest 01-23-2016 09:23 AM
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Maybe I have this wrong, but wasn't the decision to poison the folks of Flint a republican one, the governor's cronies did it with his knowledge.
Was it? Or is this just a liberal fantasy?

Guest 01-23-2016 11:29 AM
Remember that the EPA head for that area resigned ,do you think they knew what was going on. Could that be considered criminal intend.Prison time maybe. In this case what does it matter (Hillary comment) . A horse of a different color does not mean it is republican or democrat. I really dont think that there are two parties anymore only in name. But it's a dam shame the people in Flint have gotten screwed by a governmental organization and no one wants to cough up the money to fix it.

Guest 01-23-2016 12:03 PM
What we know for sure and won't discuss is the fact that people, men/women make good and some make bad decisions or no decisions. The easiest ones to make are when considering right from wrong.

The more difficult and unfortunately more frequent decision making is conducted based on politics, special interests, one's career, risk or reward....just about anything other than right or wrong.

Using the current example of what was done or not done and when in Flint was all done by people...men or women....and obviously for the wrong reasons....they ignored right or wrong.

And the oh by the way is what was the political affiliation of these men and women? Were they R or D. Then from there spin it all as if the decisions were made because of the party at the time.

Most warm blooded, breathing, thinking people know the political participation had nothing to do with the decisions made. An after thought that was spun to suit the political points trying to be made or not.

Ya see, when we all take our clothes off we are men and women....there is no defining R or D.

So for all of you beating your chest making Flint sound like it was some republican decision.....it was not....it was the people.......your partisan story is just another made up fable to facilitate a narrow minded political need. Adding no value added what so ever.

In short...POLITICAL BS!!

Guest 01-23-2016 12:10 PM
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What we know for sure and won't discuss is the fact that people, men/women make good and some make bad decisions or no decisions. The easiest ones to make are when considering right from wrong.

The more difficult and unfortunately more frequent decision making is conducted based on politics, special interests, one's career, risk or reward....just about anything other than right or wrong.

Using the current example of what was done or not done and when in Flint was all done by people...men or women....and obviously for the wrong reasons....they ignored right or wrong.

And the oh by the way is what was the political affiliation of these men and women? Were they R or D. Then from there spin it all as if the decisions were made because of the party at the time.

Most warm blooded, breathing, thinking people know the political participation had nothing to do with the decisions made. An after thought that was spun to suit the political points trying to be made or not.

Ya see, when we all take our clothes off we are men and women....there is no defining R or D.

So for all of you beating your chest making Flint sound like it was some republican decision.....it was not....it was the people.......your partisan story is just another made up fable to facilitate a narrow minded political need. Adding no value added what so ever.

In short...POLITICAL BS!!
:thumbup:..:thumbup:

Guest 01-23-2016 12:17 PM
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Well, now that you mention it, the EPA can take some credit on this. And the EPA is Obama's favorite, so you can decide how you wish to look at it. Of course, it is NEVER a liberal's problem.
The EPA was created in 1970. Makes it Nixon's favorite.

Guest 01-23-2016 12:37 PM
Another failure of our highly inefficient political system be it R or D. And some wonder why the increasing following to non-politicians?

Guest 01-23-2016 12:39 PM
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The EPA was created in 1970. Makes it Nixon's favorite.
True BUT, the EPA is one of Obama's favorite radical tools that everyone else wants to get rid of. This is not the first time within the past year for the EPA to have been involved in a problem that they should have handled more appropriately. It seems like in the past two terms, this administration has done almost everything they attempted in a half-@ss manner. Just saying. Maybe if this administrator could concentrate on just one agenda, he could achieve something successfully......other than dividing the country racially. He did succeed in that.

Guest 01-23-2016 12:47 PM
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Another failure of our highly inefficient political system be it R or D. And some wonder why the increasing following to non-politicians?
Dear Guest: I most certainly agree with your assessment. Both parties play the game each taking their turn at good cop bad cop.

I am sick of the lot of them and I am sick of paying them full time wages when the only work three days a week on the average. And why is they all seem to retire much richer than when they went in? As to the Flint water problem there is plenty of blame to go around both as to party and as to state and federal governments. Sometimes, metaphorically speaking, I think we would be better off to burn the place down and start over again.

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 01-23-2016 02:15 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1176322)
True BUT, the EPA is one of Obama's favorite radical tools that everyone else wants to get rid of. This is not the first time within the past year for the EPA to have been involved in a problem that they should have handled more appropriately. It seems like in the past two terms, this administration has done almost everything they attempted in a half-@ss manner. Just saying. Maybe if this administrator could concentrate on just one agenda, he could achieve something successfully......other than dividing the country racially. He did succeed in that.
"the EPA is one of Obama's favorite radical tools that everyone else wants to get rid of." If you are referring to everyone as people that have their heads so far up their asses that nothing in the environment can affect them, you hit the nail right on the head.

The change in water supply was a costing cutting matter designed to save the cash strapped city of Flint millions. Instead, it is going to cost the state, and federal government millions, and children are going to suffer. Which party is always on the kick to save money?

The EPA screwed up. So, you want to get rid of them. What the hell do you think would happen nationwide, if you got rid of the EPA, and environmental regulations. You don't think that companies would do the same thing that the Flint city regulator did? Let's cut costs to hell with the environment. Our bottom line is more important that peoples' health.

You are right about that racial thing. Obama told the EPA to back off, so blacks could play the race card ,and be right in doing so. We know that everything that Obama does is meant to bring down this country, and the best way to do that is start a race war.

Guest 01-23-2016 02:22 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1176291)
What we know for sure and won't discuss is the fact that people, men/women make good and some make bad decisions or no decisions. The easiest ones to make are when considering right from wrong.

The more difficult and unfortunately more frequent decision making is conducted based on politics, special interests, one's career, risk or reward....just about anything other than right or wrong.

Using the current example of what was done or not done and when in Flint was all done by people...men or women....and obviously for the wrong reasons....they ignored right or wrong.

And the oh by the way is what was the political affiliation of these men and women? Were they R or D. Then from there spin it all as if the decisions were made because of the party at the time.
















Most warm blooded, breathing, thinking people know the political participation had nothing to do with the decisions made. An after thought that was spun to suit the political points trying to be made or not.

Ya see, when we all take our clothes off we are men and women....there is no defining R or D.

So for all of you beating your chest making Flint sound like it was some republican decision.....it was not....it was the people.......your partisan story is just another made up fable to facilitate a narrow minded political need. Adding no value added what so ever.

In short...POLITICAL BS!!
Typical republican spin, we did no wrong.

Guest 01-23-2016 02:24 PM
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Was it? Or is this just a liberal fantasy?
Get your head out of the sand ans do some research. Listen to what the emails say.

Guest 01-23-2016 02:31 PM
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True BUT, the EPA is one of Obama's favorite radical tools that everyone else wants to get rid of. This is not the first time within the past year for the EPA to have been involved in a problem that they should have handled more appropriately. It seems like in the past two terms, this administration has done almost everything they attempted in a half-@ss manner. Just saying. Maybe if this administrator could concentrate on just one agenda, he could achieve something successfully......other than dividing the country racially. He did succeed in that.
Yes, get rid of the EPA. We will put everyone on the honor system, brilliant idea.

Guest 01-23-2016 03:57 PM
Federal analysis found shutdowns of coal-fired power plants would more than double under the Obama administration’s landmark climate rule.

The rule is also projected to increase electricity prices 4.9 percent above what they would be without it.

The Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) carbon limits for power plants are projected to cause 90 gigawatts of coal plant capacity to retire by 2040 so that states can comply, the Energy Information Administration (EIA) projected Friday.

That is more than double the 40 gigawatts that the EIA, the independent data arm of the Energy Department, predicted would be shut down in that time period if it weren’t for the climate rule. The United States currently has 1,212 coal-fired power plants with a total capacity of 329.8 gigawatts.

The Obama administration would significantly raise electricity costs, close numerous power plants and kill the jobs of the people working there and in related fields.

Nearly all of the plant shutdowns would happen by 2020, the year of the first set of standards in the EPA’s rule. Another standard takes effect in 2030.

Hmm, wonder how many thousands would lose their jobs.

Guest 01-23-2016 04:52 PM
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Federal analysis found shutdowns of coal-fired power plants would more than double under the Obama administration’s landmark climate rule.

The rule is also projected to increase electricity prices 4.9 percent above what they would be without it.

The Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) carbon limits for power plants are projected to cause 90 gigawatts of coal plant capacity to retire by 2040 so that states can comply, the Energy Information Administration (EIA) projected Friday.

That is more than double the 40 gigawatts that the EIA, the independent data arm of the Energy Department, predicted would be shut down in that time period if it weren’t for the climate rule. The United States currently has 1,212 coal-fired power plants with a total capacity of 329.8 gigawatts.

The Obama administration would significantly raise electricity costs, close numerous power plants and kill the jobs of the people working there and in related fields.

Nearly all of the plant shutdowns would happen by 2020, the year of the first set of standards in the EPA’s rule. Another standard takes effect in 2030.

Hmm, wonder how many thousands would lose their jobs.
Lets see, if you were paying .10 cents per kilowatt hour that would be a half cent increase. For all the dirt these plants put in the air, thats a great trade off. Obama can't do anything right.

Guest 01-24-2016 04:49 AM
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Lets see, if you were paying .10 cents per kilowatt hour that would be a half cent increase. For all the dirt these plants put in the air, thats a great trade off. Obama can't do anything right.
We finally have something that we agree upon.

Guest 01-24-2016 07:57 AM
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We finally have something that we agree upon.
Is that all you have to say about my post? You are pathetic.

Guest 01-24-2016 10:41 AM
Funny how the subject matter gets lost in the personal objective of attacking the poster and not the subject.

Unfortunately this forum has deteriorated to where 70% or more of the participation is just that......conducted by a very few as many of us back away and let the school yard shenanigans dominate.

Guest 01-24-2016 10:54 AM
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Funny how the subject matter gets lost in the personal objective of attacking the poster and not the subject.

Unfortunately this forum has deteriorated to where 70% or more of the participation is just that......conducted by a very few as many of us back away and let the school yard shenanigans dominate.
That's the truth. There seems to be more emphasis on "button pushing" and insults rather than trading facts and points of view. The lack of moderators on the site doesn't help either. The level of nastiness has grown to epic proportions. I rarely get on here any more. We all have our own ideas, and are not going to convince anyone, so why bother. Every single thread gets distorted with a tremendous amount of Obama bashing. You could have a thread that said, "My tulips are blooming", and it would deteriorate into a Obama blood bath or else a string of insults against "liberals" as though liberal is a swear word. At the very least I wish people could stay on topic.

Guest 01-24-2016 10:58 AM
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Is that all you have to say about my post? You are pathetic.
And that was all you had to say about the post above? That's not just pathetic but argumentative. So take your false indignity someplace else.

Guest 01-24-2016 11:08 AM
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That's the truth. There seems to be more emphasis on "button pushing" and insults rather than trading facts and points of view. The lack of moderators on the site doesn't help either. The level of nastiness has grown to epic proportions. I rarely get on here any more. We all have our own ideas, and are not going to convince anyone, so why bother. Every single thread gets distorted with a tremendous amount of Obama bashing. You could have a thread that said, "My tulips are blooming", and it would deteriorate into a Obama blood bath or else a string of insults against "liberals" as though liberal is a swear word. At the very least I wish people could stay on topic.
The highlight describes the level this forum has deteriorated DOWN WARD.

Guest 01-24-2016 12:39 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1176693)
That's the truth. There seems to be more emphasis on "button pushing" and insults rather than trading facts and points of view. The lack of moderators on the site doesn't help either. The level of nastiness has grown to epic proportions. I rarely get on here any more. We all have our own ideas, and are not going to convince anyone, so why bother. Every single thread gets distorted with a tremendous amount of Obama bashing. You could have a thread that said, "My tulips are blooming", and it would deteriorate into a Obama blood bath or else a string of insults against "liberals" as though liberal is a swear word. At the very least I wish people could stay on topic.
Maybe it's because Obama IS politics and maybe he DOES deserve the bashing? Why do people take it personal? Is it because his poor performance is a reflection on a bad choice by the voters?

Guest 01-24-2016 08:36 PM
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Maybe it's because Obama IS politics and maybe he DOES deserve the bashing? Why do people take it personal? Is it because his poor performance is a reflection on a bad choice by the voters?
Is reading comprehension a lost art? The poster made the point that people can't seem to stay on topic. They turn even an innocuous post about tulips into Obama bashing. And you turned a post about staying on topic into the same thing. Get it now?

Guest 01-25-2016 06:20 AM
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Is reading comprehension a lost art? The poster made the point that people can't seem to stay on topic. They turn even an innocuous post about tulips into Obama bashing. And you turned a post about staying on topic into the same thing. Get it now?
A post about Tulips? Didn't see that part. Obama bashing? Was the post about staying on topic or about Flint? And was it about Flint or bashing Republicans? And did someone get offended because the EPA was brought up in reference to the thread on Flint, and the fact that the EPA is Obama's special interest, or was it about Tulips?


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