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Boudicca 01-30-2016 06:45 PM
Car and cart accident at Tarpon Boil
 
I passed the accident on my way home today. I heard both drivers were transported to hospitals. Is there an update?

Mleeja 01-30-2016 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by shrandell (Post 1179623)
I passed the accident on my way home today. I heard both drivers were transported to hospitals. Is there an update?
Check the other on-line news source for the story.

Walter123 01-30-2016 06:52 PM
Medical event for the car driver.

Dynsol 01-31-2016 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by shrandell (Post 1179623)
I passed the accident on my way home today. I heard both drivers were transported to hospitals. Is there an update?
In the newspaper...

TNLAKEPANDA 01-31-2016 08:54 AM
Tired of cars speeding down your street? Give this guy a call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEyzXkacjHs

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 01-31-2016 09:34 AM
The man who was driving the care and had a medical episode was Jeremiah John Bullen, who lives on Quiet Oak Court.

The man in the golf cart was Gary Ferguson, 62, who lives on Bachman Path in the Village of Buttonwood.

billethkid 01-31-2016 10:47 AM
Did you ever have one of those annoying dizzy spells or for whatever reason go off tilt for a few seconds?

If yes, now think about that happening with the accompanying confusion while behind the wheel.

I know it is controversial but perhaps there is justifiable reasoning for periodic testing and drug Rx review after a certain age.....70? 75? 80?

I would not like the prospect of losing my liscence but would accept the intent and do my best to remain able.

rubicon 01-31-2016 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1179784)
Did you ever have one of those annoying dizzy spells or for whatever reason go off tilt for a few seconds?

If yes, now think about that happening with the accompanying confusion while behind the wheel.

I know it is controversial but perhaps there is justifiable reasoning for periodic testing and drug Rx review after a certain age.....70? 75? 80?

I would not like the prospect of losing my liscence but would accept the intent and do my best to remain able.
btk: I understand and agree with your concern for safety. However, the problem with enforcement is this government of ours doesn't know where to draw the line. As a nation we are being strangled with rules regulations and policies which as you recall Ronald Reagan said "the closest thing to eternal life is a government program.

I know many people who freely give up their driver's license when they first experience a problem. But there are situations where there are not early warnings signs and regulations can't prevent them

PennBF 01-31-2016 02:22 PM
Cart Bike Accident
 
We just saw an accident which was between a cart and a bike. The medical team came and as we were driving on we noticed the biker had ear phones on and what/how if anything could this contribute to an accident. The biker was taking them out of his ears just as the medical people were arriving. I really don't think cars, bikers or cart drivers should wear ear pieces when they are driving or on a bike. There were a couple of batteries on the cart path so it would appear but not certain they were being used? If it is not against the law it should be.:mornincoffee:

Kannon451 01-31-2016 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1179784)
Did you ever have one of those annoying dizzy spells or for whatever reason go off tilt for a few seconds?

If yes, now think about that happening with the accompanying confusion while behind the wheel.

I know it is controversial but perhaps there is justifiable reasoning for periodic testing and drug Rx review after a certain age.....70? 75? 80?

I would not like the prospect of losing my liscence but would accept the intent and do my best to remain able.
What is the percentage of accidents in The Villages caused by individuals with those conditions? For that matter, throughout the country? Answer is nobody knows. Regardless, now people over an arbitrarily set age should be tested for these conditions? How about testing everyone for high blood pressure because those having it are more likely to have a stroke while driving? Or testing for narcolepsy? The list of such medical is endless. Now throw in psychological issues. Sounds identical to the rational of gun control advocates.

bagboy 01-31-2016 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1179864)
We just saw an accident which was between a cart and a bike. The medical team came and as we were driving on we noticed the biker had ear phones on and what/how if anything could this contribute to an accident. The biker was taking them out of his ears just as the medical people were arriving. I really don't think cars, bikers or cart drivers should wear ear pieces when they are driving or on a bike. There were a couple of batteries on the cart path so it would appear but not certain they were being used? If it is not against the law it should be.:mornincoffee:
With very few exceptions, driving any motor vehicle including a golf cart, and riding a bicycle while wearing earbuds or headphones in both ears is illegal.

alzjr 01-31-2016 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1179864)
We just saw an accident which was between a cart and a bike. The medical team came and as we were driving on we noticed the biker had ear phones on and what/how if anything could this contribute to an accident. The biker was taking them out of his ears just as the medical people were arriving. I really don't think cars, bikers or cart drivers should wear ear pieces when they are driving or on a bike. There were a couple of batteries on the cart path so it would appear but not certain they were being used? If it is not against the law it should be.:mornincoffee:
It is against the law to use any ear phones in either ear when riding a bicycle.

alzjr 01-31-2016 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 1179745)
Tired of cars speeding down your street? Give this guy a call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEyzXkacjHs
That is a perfect solution. Do you think they are available online?

goodtimesintv 01-31-2016 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Kannon451 (Post 1179915)
What is the percentage of accidents in The Villages caused by individuals with those conditions? For that matter, throughout the country? Answer is nobody knows. Regardless, now people over an arbitrarily set age should be tested for these conditions? How about testing everyone for high blood pressure because those having it are more likely to have a stroke while driving? Or testing for narcolepsy? The list of such medical is endless. Now throw in psychological issues. Sounds identical to the rational of gun control advocates.
I think it is appalling that these two accident victims' names are plastered all over the online "newspaper" and on here, opening them up to trashing and conjecture about whether they're medically fit to drive etc. It's bordering on libel.

Medical records are private by law for good reason. If the car driver had a "medical episode" and the so-called newspaper called the hospital to get his name, it would not be given out (by anybody with brains about privacy laws).

There are many things that could cause a "medical episode" that are not at all predictable. A large percentage of heart attack deaths occur with sudden death being the first warning sign.

Here is an example, from Cleveland Clinic:
Sudden cardiac death (SCD) is a sudden, unexpected death caused by loss of heart function (sudden cardiac arrest).

Sudden cardiac death is the largest cause of natural death in the United States, causing about 325,000 adult deaths in the United States each year.

Sudden cardiac death is responsible for half of all heart disease deaths.

Sudden cardiac death occurs most frequently in adults in their mid-30s to mid-40s, and affects men twice as often as it does women.
Even if the "newspaper" sees the state patrol report showing the name of the drivers/victims, a non-tabloid reporter and publisher would leave the people's names OUT of their stories!

Sudden Cardiac Death (Sudden Cardiac Arrest) | Cleveland Clinic

outlaw 02-01-2016 08:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1179864)
We just saw an accident which was between a cart and a bike. The medical team came and as we were driving on we noticed the biker had ear phones on and what/how if anything could this contribute to an accident. The biker was taking them out of his ears just as the medical people were arriving. I really don't think cars, bikers or cart drivers should wear ear pieces when they are driving or on a bike. There were a couple of batteries on the cart path so it would appear but not certain they were being used? If it is not against the law it should be.:mornincoffee:
I'm pretty sure it is against the law in Florida to wear earphones while operating a bike on a public road or sidewalk.

Taltarzac725 02-01-2016 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1179935)
I think it is appalling that these two accident victims' names are plastered all over the online "newspaper" and on here, opening them up to trashing and conjecture about whether they're medically fit to drive etc. It's bordering on libel.

Medical records are private by law for good reason. If the car driver had a "medical episode" and the so-called newspaper called the hospital to get his name, it would not be given out (by anybody with brains about privacy laws).

There are many things that could cause a "medical episode" that are not at all predictable. A large percentage of heart attack deaths occur with sudden death being the first warning sign.

Here is an example, from Cleveland Clinic:
Sudden cardiac death (SCD) is a sudden, unexpected death caused by loss of heart function (sudden cardiac arrest).

Sudden cardiac death is the largest cause of natural death in the United States, causing about 325,000 adult deaths in the United States each year.

Sudden cardiac death is responsible for half of all heart disease deaths.

Sudden cardiac death occurs most frequently in adults in their mid-30s to mid-40s, and affects men twice as often as it does women.
Even if the "newspaper" sees the state patrol report showing the name of the drivers/victims, a non-tabloid reporter and publisher would leave the people's names OUT of their stories!

Sudden Cardiac Death (Sudden Cardiac Arrest) | Cleveland Clinic
Libel requires false statements. For public figures this needs malice. https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/...ity/defamation

tuccillo 02-01-2016 09:25 AM
I believe the names become part of the public record and are readily available. This is news and that is what newspapers report. I hope you are not suggesting that something unethical has been done.

Quote:
Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1179935)
I think it is appalling that these two accident victims' names are plastered all over the online "newspaper" and on here, opening them up to trashing and conjecture about whether they're medically fit to drive etc. It's bordering on libel.

Medical records are private by law for good reason. If the car driver had a "medical episode" and the so-called newspaper called the hospital to get his name, it would not be given out (by anybody with brains about privacy laws).

There are many things that could cause a "medical episode" that are not at all predictable. A large percentage of heart attack deaths occur with sudden death being the first warning sign.

Here is an example, from Cleveland Clinic:
Sudden cardiac death (SCD) is a sudden, unexpected death caused by loss of heart function (sudden cardiac arrest).

Sudden cardiac death is the largest cause of natural death in the United States, causing about 325,000 adult deaths in the United States each year.

Sudden cardiac death is responsible for half of all heart disease deaths.

Sudden cardiac death occurs most frequently in adults in their mid-30s to mid-40s, and affects men twice as often as it does women.
Even if the "newspaper" sees the state patrol report showing the name of the drivers/victims, a non-tabloid reporter and publisher would leave the people's names OUT of their stories!

Sudden Cardiac Death (Sudden Cardiac Arrest) | Cleveland Clinic

goodtimesintv 02-01-2016 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1180166)
Libel requires false statements. For public figures this needs malice. https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/...ity/defamation
The drivers of the car and cart are not "public figures". Their medical conditions are not to be publicized and then judged here to be unfit to drive or in need of annual testing/medical exams, out of common decency if not for privacy laws.

Marathon Man 02-01-2016 02:39 PM
You can certainly get a feel about a person by what they say on this forum. Sometimes it just makes me sad.

sunset seeker 02-05-2016 06:48 PM
Thanks for being concerned.....
 
I was the driver of the golf car last Saturday. And thanks for asking, I am ok. Just a broken neck and many, many contusions and bruises in places I didn't know I had places. I will be sore for a long, long time.

I was sitting in the cart waiting to exit onto Nobleton when the driver of the car experienced his "medical emergency", went off the road and started coming straight at me at about 15 mph. As you know from the paper and news he passed the next day.

And I also agree it is amazing what some people will say when they should probably just keep it to themselves.....

dotti105 02-06-2016 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sunset seeker (Post 1182227)
I was the driver of the golf car last Saturday. And thanks for asking, I am ok. Just a broken neck and many, many contusions and bruises in places I didn't know I had places. I will be sore for a long, long time.

I was sitting in the cart waiting to exit onto Nobleton when the driver of the car experienced his "medical emergency", went off the road and started coming straight at me at about 15 mph. As you know from the paper and news he passed the next day.

And I also agree it is amazing what some people will say when they should probably just keep it to themselves.....
Glad to hear that you survived and are on the mend, even if it takes a while. It must have been terrifying to be in that position. No place to run, no time to get out of the way.

Thanks for checking in, I know many have been wondering how you are doing! Prayers for an uncomplicated recovery!

Marathon Man 02-06-2016 08:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sunset seeker (Post 1182227)
I was the driver of the golf car last Saturday. And thanks for asking, I am ok. Just a broken neck and many, many contusions and bruises in places I didn't know I had places. I will be sore for a long, long time.

I was sitting in the cart waiting to exit onto Nobleton when the driver of the car experienced his "medical emergency", went off the road and started coming straight at me at about 15 mph. As you know from the paper and news he passed the next day.

And I also agree it is amazing what some people will say when they should probably just keep it to themselves.....
Wishing you a speedy and complete recovery. You may be the first person to ever put these four words together - "just a broken neck".

graciegirl 02-06-2016 08:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1179935)
I think it is appalling that these two accident victims' names are plastered all over the online "newspaper" and on here, opening them up to trashing and conjecture about whether they're medically fit to drive etc. It's bordering on libel.

Medical records are private by law for good reason. If the car driver had a "medical episode" and the so-called newspaper called the hospital to get his name, it would not be given out (by anybody with brains about privacy laws).

There are many things that could cause a "medical episode" that are not at all predictable. A large percentage of heart attack deaths occur with sudden death being the first warning sign.

Here is an example, from Cleveland Clinic:
Sudden cardiac death (SCD) is a sudden, unexpected death caused by loss of heart function (sudden cardiac arrest).

Sudden cardiac death is the largest cause of natural death in the United States, causing about 325,000 adult deaths in the United States each year.

Sudden cardiac death is responsible for half of all heart disease deaths.

Sudden cardiac death occurs most frequently in adults in their mid-30s to mid-40s, and affects men twice as often as it does women.
Even if the "newspaper" sees the state patrol report showing the name of the drivers/victims, a non-tabloid reporter and publisher would leave the people's names OUT of their stories!

Sudden Cardiac Death (Sudden Cardiac Arrest) | Cleveland Clinic




I look at it in an opposite way. It isn't wrong to have a medical episode, and if someone you knew were the victim of an accident you would want to know.


And further. I wish the victim of this accident good wishes and sending prayers for a recovery. So sorry to hear of your misfortune. Hope you are feeling better soon.


And to everyone reading this. PLEASE continue to exercise utmost caution, danger is out there and we have a lot of vehicles riding around right now. I want to count every one of your noses after this busy time.


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