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Nova Filtration 02-06-2016 01:21 PM

new battery choices
 
Anyone upgrade to newer 8 Volt Trojan Traveler or Ranger batteries?

what your experience and cost?

Who sells them near TV

Paulz 02-06-2016 01:34 PM

Hi Bob

I had Rangers installed in Novmber by the Battery Boys...huge improvement. With the move they are far from broken in but my best guess is 60-65 miles on a charge.

If you want to discuss, call me.

Paul Z.

dotti105 02-06-2016 06:52 PM

I had rangers installed In March of 2015. They were a couple hundred $ more than the Trojans batteries previously considered top of the line. I have been very happy with the performance and expect them to continue to perform well.

Battery Boys did a great job of installing them in my Custom California Roadster. It was a snug fit, and required a creative approach.

Both my husband and I have been super pleased with Battery Boys. My hubby had an issue with the charger for his cart and Battery Boys went out of the way to check it out and keep the cost down. When he went to pay for the work with a credit card, the guy from Battery Boys said he didn't want to put the $25 charge on a credit card. (too small to justify the fee from the credit card company) Bill only had $15 in cash and the Battery Boys guy was happy to take that. They are just great guys with which to do business.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 02-06-2016 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nova Filtration (Post 1182546)
Anyone upgrade to newer 8 Volt Trojan Traveler or Ranger batteries?

what your experience and cost?

Who sells them near TV

I had Ranger batteries installed by Battery Boys. Love them. They were $1155.00 including some extra work done because of some corrosion in the battery well.

I've gone 46 miles on one charge and still had plenty left.

The batteries give you 160 minutes of running time on a flat straightway. At 20 mph that's about 54 miles. I've been told that people have gotten up to 70 miles out of a charge, but I can't confirm that.

Nova Filtration 02-06-2016 09:38 PM

I think I'll give them a try, just need to shop for a good price.

Thanks

Nova Filtration 02-07-2016 10:02 AM

Best price so far is $150 ea does that sound right?:shrug:

ajbrown 02-07-2016 02:07 PM

I am interested if anyone has data
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1182667)
I had Ranger batteries installed by Battery Boys. Love them. They were $1155.00 including some extra work done because of some corrosion in the battery well.

I've gone 46 miles on one charge and still had plenty left.

The batteries give you 160 minutes of running time on a flat straightway. At 20 mph that's about 54 miles. I've been told that people have gotten up to 70 miles out of a charge, but I can't confirm that.

Can you quantify what had plenty left means? Do you have any idea of pack voltage after the ride? This is a sincere question, not trying to dismiss the 46 mile run at all. IMO there a a big difference between the pack being at 48 volts versus 47 volts after that ride. This is important for me as a part of maintenance when comparing options.

It is good timing as I am guessing I will be in the market soon and I do not know many folks that have the set who could provide some real data.

I paid about $750 for a set of T890 four years ago, not sure what they are cost now. I should be able to find some data on how far that pack goes to discharge 50% and would love to compare against a ranger set.

Sadly one of mine has a dead cell. The rest seems pretty solid, so hopefully can get a used battery from BB to get me some more time... before having to decide.

dotti105 02-07-2016 02:17 PM

I'm certainly not an expert on batteries. but I understand that you need to have a digital meter to show max charge and will then read the charge digitally as it decreases with use. I think those meters are a couple hundred bucks to add on. But that may be old information.

I know I can go from Pinellas near Bonifay to Spanish Springs, run errands at Walmart on 466 and play a round of golf without worrying about running out of juice.

I don't have an odometer, but like Winston O Boogie, I can cover a lot of territory with confidence.

Kahuna32162 02-07-2016 02:22 PM

Not to change the subject, but I had my electric cart converted to Lithium Ion Power cells by AGC and now get 140+ mile range per charge. It's not cheap, but worth it to us because of the money we already have invested in this custom cart.

jimbo2012 02-07-2016 04:35 PM

like $1800?

JoMar 02-08-2016 12:03 AM

140 miles on a charge, that will get you to Daytona and back......and I question that you drive that far. Easier to spend $1800 ish rather than plug in? Too much money to justify....unless of course money is not an issue.

tuccillo 02-08-2016 06:46 AM

I bet the cost was more like $3000.

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1183095)
140 miles on a charge, that will get you to Daytona and back......and I question that you drive that far. Easier to spend $1800 ish rather than plug in? Too much money to justify....unless of course money is not an issue.


jimbo2012 02-08-2016 07:01 AM

I'll go with the rangers and my solar, for less than that.

70+ miles on a charge is enough drive time.

rubicon 02-08-2016 07:28 AM

I priced lithium before deciding to go to a gas cart. I was told don't buy cheap when it came to lithium. The prices ranged from $2,000 to $4,000 and it was suggested to purchase a charger designed for lithium; albeit they indicated that I could use my existing charger.

I also priced Rangers and was quoted $1,000 installed. My repair guy told me that he preferred the analog meters to digital

I decided to go gas even though I hate the additional noise because no matter what I paid for batteries they would all diminish in ability to hold a charge and eventually reduce distance. Like my car i would not let the gas gauge go below half and I ensure they are well maintained

renrod 02-08-2016 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 1183116)
i'll go with the rangers and my solar, for less than that.

70+ miles on a charge is enough drive time.

prove it! Prove it! Prove it!

jimbo2012 02-08-2016 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1183124)
I decided to go gas even though I hate the additional noise because no matter what I paid for batteries they would all diminish in ability to hold a charge and eventually reduce distance. Like my car i would not let the gas gauge go below half and I ensure they are well maintained

that don't happen with solar, during the day it is always charging as needed.

that keeps the batteries in good shape for years as in about 5

Since I tested 70+ with the t875, it will be interesting to see what the range is with the Rangers.

Oh Renrod I don't need to prove anything, it was well documented on the forum a long time ago

Arctic Fox 02-08-2016 08:17 AM

With 8v rather than 6v batteries you need an extra device to supply the lower voltage needed for accessories. What does this cost?

Uberschaf 02-08-2016 09:24 AM

I was quoted a price of $6,500 for lithium 8-6 volt upgrade.

tuccillo 02-08-2016 09:37 AM

I assume you passed on the offer?

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Originally Posted by Uberschaf (Post 1183174)
I was quoted a price of $6,500 for lithium 8-6 volt upgrade.


villagetinker 02-08-2016 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 1183147)
With 8v rather than 6v batteries you need an extra device to supply the lower voltage needed for accessories. What does this cost?

Artic Fox, you will need a DC to DC converter.
Here is a link to a supplier of DC-DC converters. The model shown is much bigger then what you need, but would allow for future uses, like a stereo, etc.

DC Converter MJ1230C

I helped install one of these for a friend recently, nice unit, well made.
Hope this helps.

jimbo2012 02-08-2016 02:07 PM

you can get them on Ebay for about $20

rubicon 02-08-2016 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 1183129)
that don't happen with solar, during the day it is always charging as needed.

that keeps the batteries in good shape for years as in about 5

Since I tested 70+ with the t875, it will be interesting to see what the range is with the Rangers.

Oh Renrod I don't need to prove anything, it was well documented on the forum a long time ago

jimbo: You are more familiar with solar then am I. However I bought a solar panel for my electric cart at a cost of $1400 installed and it wasn't much of a help?????

renrod 02-08-2016 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 1183129)

Oh Renrod I don't need to prove anything, it was well documented on the forum a long time ago

Can you please give a link to the test results. Thanks

jimbo2012 02-08-2016 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1183316)
jimbo: You are more familiar with solar then am I. However I bought a solar panel for my electric cart at a cost of $1400 installed and it wasn't much of a help?????

Well how many watt panel was it for starters?

You need about 200 +

What kind of charge controller?

Mine works fine, not plugged into shore for years.

If you recall I was going to install them for a great price (much less than you paid like $800) here but met to much resistance and arguments, didn't need that BS at this point.

:gc:


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JoMar 02-09-2016 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by renrod (Post 1183127)
prove it! Prove it! Prove it!

My Star does 50 with no issues and have range remaining. Don't know many people that do 50 miles a day, or why they would. I did it once just to see how far I could go, then I got bored and when it got home I had done the 50. The ride was Hillsborough to Glenview (18 holes) to Spanish Springs then down Morris to 466A then to Brownwood then back to Hillsborough with a couple side trips through neighborhoods. What more do you need?

tuccillo 02-09-2016 11:24 PM

Rubicon, the numbers have been presented before but I will summarize. If you have a 2 person golf cart, you can fit a 200 watt panel on the roof. At our latitude and given our climatic conditions, according to NREL, you can expect the panel to produce approximately 800 watt-hours per day, on average, assuming the cart was outside the entire day. This figure may be generous because the panel is flat on the roof and not tilted towards the sun.

SECO electric rates are approximately $0.13 per 1000 watt-hours (kWh). Therefore, if you left your golf cart outside all day, every day, the most you can save is approximately $40 per year, perhaps a little bit more depending on the efficiency of the AC/DC conversion in your battery charger. At approximately $1000 for the panel and components, there is no payback. As far as extending the range, the 800 watt-hours per day would be good for approximately 4-6 miles. If your cart was lightly used it is possible that you would not have to plug it in very often if you left it outside all day. However, you would still be spending on the order of $1000 to save $40 per year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1183316)
jimbo: You are more familiar with solar then am I. However I bought a solar panel for my electric cart at a cost of $1400 installed and it wasn't much of a help?????


rubicon 02-10-2016 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1183824)
Rubicon, the numbers have been presented before but I will summarize. If you have a 2 person golf cart, you can fit a 200 watt panel on the roof. At our latitude and given our climatic conditions, according to NREL, you can expect the panel to produce approximately 800 watt-hours per day, on average, assuming the cart was outside the entire day. This figure may be generous because the panel is flat on the roof and not tilted towards the sun.

SECO electric rates are approximately $0.13 per 1000 watt-hours (kWh). Therefore, if you left your golf cart outside all day, every day, the most you can save is approximately $40 per year, perhaps a little bit more depending on the efficiency of the AC/DC conversion in your battery charger. At approximately $1000 for the panel and components, there is no payback. As far as extending the range, the 800 watt-hours per day would be good for approximately 4-6 miles. If your cart was lightly used it is possible that you would not have to plug it in very often if you left it outside all day. However, you would still be spending on the order of $1000 to save $40 per year.

tuccillo: and like a chum I paid $1400 installed back in 2008 Cést la vie

ciaco


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