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kcrazorbackfan 02-23-2016 03:42 PM

Community Watch - Are you serious.....
 
.....in putting non-trained elderly people out at a couple of the gates to direct traffic?

1st place - at the Hillsborough entrance; there was a very ELDERLY gentleman this afternoon waving his stop sign like a fan; he did not know what he was doing and did not belong out there; there was an accident waiting to happen. Community Watch was contacted and they were going to dispatch a supervisor to the scene.

The 2nd place was at the eastbound entrance to Pinellas Place. Again, someone was out there that appeared to had never directed traffic in his life; another call to Community Watch.

Community Watch - you're going to get someone hurt putting non-trained personnel out at these gates. These are not school crossings.

golfing eagles 02-23-2016 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1189833)
.....in putting non-trained elderly people out at a couple of the gates to direct traffic?

1st place - at the Hillsborough entrance; there was a very ELDERLY gentleman this afternoon waving his stop sign like a fan; he did not know what he was doing and did not belong out there; there was an accident waiting to happen. Community Watch was contacted and they were going to dispatch a supervisor to the scene.

The 2nd place was at the eastbound entrance to Pinellas Place. Again, someone was out there that appeared to had never directed traffic in his life; another call to Community Watch.

Community Watch - you're going to get someone hurt putting non-trained personnel out at these gates. These are not school crossings.

I passed that earlier. It was pretty pathetic, if not outright dangerous

Happinow 02-23-2016 04:15 PM

Probably trying his best but wrong for the task
 
I passed through there about 11:30 and he seem overwhelmed. I felt bad for him. I came back through again about 12:15 and it appeared he was giving up or was dismissed. The traffic was very heavy, both carts and cars, and he was walking towards his truck. The radio was buzzing with chatter! I hope everything went ok.

Cathy H 02-23-2016 04:54 PM

and they let suspicious looking people come thru the exit gate!

RickeyD 02-23-2016 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1189882)
.....of our neighbors. We can comment on how the work is being done but, insults sound rather ignorant............


No reflection on this poor guy. Untrained or poorly trained falls upon the lap of poor management. My comment was intended to highlight a management issue.

debow 02-23-2016 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1189888)
No reflecti. on on this poor guy. Untrained or poorly trained falls upon the lap of poor management. My comment was intended to highlight a management issue.

New to the area about 10 months, wondered what their responsibility was . I just have a key sensor or push the red button to my area so always wonder their their job/responsibilities were.

Barefoot 02-23-2016 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathy H (Post 1189866)
and they let suspicious looking people come thru the exit gate!

Cathy, the streets are not owned by The Villages. This is not a gated community. The streets are public streets.
"Suspicious looking people" are entitled to use public streets.

ronsroni 02-23-2016 05:42 PM

Your comments are, indeed, rude and uncalled for. Who are you to call folks "elderly"? Define your terms and be mindful. Are you 14?
This is not nor nor ever has been called a gated community. Civilized people appreciate having someone to ask questions of and to give access quickly in urgent situations. Had you stopped and asked what the job entails, I bet you would get a detailed answer.
They don't need guns or weaponry. Every single vehicle plate is captured on camera. These folks have a job and do it well. Been here four years and I regard these folks with the same respect I would give you.
There were gentler tones available. You come off sounding mean. There is always the option of not living or visiting here. Generally speaking, TV is a friendly place to be. The Gate staff is part of that friendliness.
Because drivers can be idiots and impatient, allowing flow into the developments needs fluidity. The Gate staff perpetuate safety and congeniality. I thank them for their service.
So, should you break down or need help and approach the gate area, you may sing a different tune. One can hope.

57ChevyFI 02-23-2016 05:58 PM

WOW, sounds horrible, were you able to get an exact number of accidents they caused today? Sounds like there was probably a bunch. Knowing that information I would have been in full defensive driving mode, like usual in The Villages.

jojo 02-23-2016 06:01 PM

Community Watch manned the Colony intersection for several months before they installed the golf cart traffic light there. Fortunately, they seemed to be well trained for the position.

57ChevyFI 02-23-2016 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1189888)
No reflection on this poor guy. Untrained or poorly trained falls upon the lap of poor management. My comment was intended to highlight a management issue.

Good post!!! I'm sure these people are probably making 25 to 30 dollars an hour. No way they make just over minimum wage. I would much rather them hire police officers at their OT rate probably 28 dollars an hour. Having my amenities doubled seems very reasonable to have more qualified traffic control specialist, even though I can say in the past 7 years I've only seen a couple accidents at the gates and no evidence even those could have been caused by the gate attendant instead of impatient residents.

bagboy 02-23-2016 06:32 PM

$25 to $30 per hour??? Noone really believes that...do they???

Bogie Shooter 02-23-2016 06:45 PM

Point missed!

Fredster 02-23-2016 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1189929)
$25 to $30 per hour??? Noone really believes that...do they???

No, not very believable, and that is why I take a lot of things posted on TOV with a grain of salt!

Bogie Shooter 02-23-2016 06:47 PM

Point missed again!

RickeyD 02-23-2016 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1189928)
Mean!!!

Scab labor, not scab laborer. No excuse for management putting this man into a position he obviously could not handle.

600th Photo Sq 02-23-2016 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1189896)
Cathy, the streets are not owned by The Villages. This is not a gated community. The streets are public streets.
"Suspicious looking people" are entitled to use public streets.

Actually you are 90% correct with one minor detail. The Courtyard Villas are owned and maintained by the Villages but.... They are under the same classification and rules as the roads and streets even though they do not comply with the county codes. That is why the Villages owns and has to maintain them.

Now how do they get around this... simply by classifying the Courtyard Villa streets as having " Public Access " very cute and also misleading.

You are right on the other points though very good, actually anyone can park for however long they he or she wants to as long as Emergency Vehicles can get through and a neighbors driveway is not blocked.

The roads are Not Private...The Community Standards are powerless along with the Police...Period.

Most residents think that there is a time limit, restrictions, etc.etc. there is some minor restrictions on Rv's and Campers but totally impossible to monitor, or inforce

Topspinmo 02-23-2016 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq (Post 1190001)
Actually you are 90% correct with one minor detail. The Courtyard Villas are owned and maintained by the Villages but.... They are under the same classification and rules as the roads and streets even though they do not comply with the county codes. That is why the Villages owns and has to maintain them.

Now how do they get around this... simply by classifying the Courtyard Villa streets as having " Public Access " very cute and also misleading.

You are right on the other points though very good, actually anyone can park for however long they he or she wants to as long as Emergency Vehicles can get through and a neighbors driveway is not blocked.

The roads are Not Private...The Community Standards are powerless along with the Police...Period.

Most residents think that there is a time limit, restrictions, etc.etc. there is some minor restrictions on Rv's and Campers but totally impossible to monitor, or inforce

There was water leak in my CYV street. It was fixed but just filled in with sand. Couples days later the city of ladylake city employee's came out and fixed the sandy patch. Matter of fact they done excellent job, not ripple or bump could be seen or felt. Maybe it's the newer areas you are talking about?

Carl in Tampa 02-23-2016 09:13 PM

Sarcasm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1189929)
$25 to $30 per hour??? Noone really believes that...do they???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1189935)
No, not very believable, and that is why I take a lot of things posted on TOV with a grain of salt!

Sarcasm apparently is too subtle for some...........

:shocked:

bagboy 02-23-2016 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1190022)
Sarcasm apparently is too subtle for some...........

:shocked:

Maybe some of us can download the app for some of you to interpret posts for us.

Carl in Tampa 02-23-2016 09:46 PM

Alas...
 
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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1190025)
Maybe some of us can download the app for some of you to interpret posts for us.

No offense intended.

Miles42 02-23-2016 11:38 PM

Well I think the whole thing was poorly planned. It is not like they didn't know this was coming.

rubicon 02-24-2016 05:06 AM

As I just mentioned on another thread if this place gets much larger they are going to need traffic cops at all the gates and along certain areas on MMP where traffic backs up badly. Lake Sumter at Buena Vista and Old Mill road is one area...

And yes as one poster said it is poorly planned because the founders knew they were going to develop every square inch they owned and more than that. Who the heck develops a community that places pedestrians, bicycles and motorized golf carts on the same path?

BobnBev 02-24-2016 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1190022)
Sarcasm apparently is too subtle for some...........

:shocked:


Hey Carl, welcome back.
:a040:

outlaw 02-24-2016 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1190076)
As I just mentioned on another thread if this place gets much larger they are going to need traffic cops at all the gates and along certain areas on MMP where traffic backs up badly. Lake Sumter at Buena Vista and Old Mill road is one area...

And yes as one poster said it is poorly planned because the founders knew they were going to develop every square inch they owned and more than that. Who the heck develops a community that places pedestrians, bicycles and motorized golf carts on the same path?

Incomingggggggg!

looneycat 02-24-2016 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57ChevyFI (Post 1189922)
Good post!!! I'm sure these people are probably making 25 to 30 dollars an hour. No way they make just over minimum wage. I would much rather them hire police officers at their OT rate probably 28 dollars an hour. Having my amenities doubled seems very reasonable to have more qualified traffic control specialist, even though I can say in the past 7 years I've only seen a couple accidents at the gates and no evidence even those could have been caused by the gate attendant instead of impatient residents.

$8.05/hr should still get a person who can hold a stop sign. sarcasm noted

Taltarzac725 02-24-2016 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1189833)
.....in putting non-trained elderly people out at a couple of the gates to direct traffic?

1st place - at the Hillsborough entrance; there was a very ELDERLY gentleman this afternoon waving his stop sign like a fan; he did not know what he was doing and did not belong out there; there was an accident waiting to happen. Community Watch was contacted and they were going to dispatch a supervisor to the scene.

The 2nd place was at the eastbound entrance to Pinellas Place. Again, someone was out there that appeared to had never directed traffic in his life; another call to Community Watch.

Community Watch - you're going to get someone hurt putting non-trained personnel out at these gates. These are not school crossings.

Glad people are seeing things that do not seem right and trying to do something about them.

billethkid 02-24-2016 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miles42 (Post 1190062)
Well I think the whole thing was poorly planned. It is not like they didn't know this was coming.

Perhaps you are giving far too much credence to the underlying cause as "planned" in any way shape or form.

graciegirl 02-24-2016 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1189896)
Cathy, the streets are not owned by The Villages. This is not a gated community. The streets are public streets.
"Suspicious looking people" are entitled to use public streets.



And elderly people are entitled to be employed at the gates. The OP could have posted his observance without the word elderly. Punk kid. Says he is only 62. Not even entitled to Medicare. Still wet behind the ears. sheesh.

outlaw 02-24-2016 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1190178)
And elderly people are entitled to be employed at the gates. The OP could have posted his observance without the word elderly. Punk kid. Says he is only 62. Not even entitled to Medicare. Still wet behind the ears. sheesh.

Did you just use the "E" word?!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

BK001 02-24-2016 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1190178)
And elderly people are entitled to be employed at the gates. The OP could have posted his observance without the word elderly. Punk kid. Says he is only 62. Not even entitled to Medicare. Still wet behind the ears. sheesh.

LOL - you've made my day. Thank you. :mademyday:

manaboutown 02-24-2016 11:10 AM

According to the Merriam-Webster on line dictionary "elderly" was first used in 1611 so the term has been in the English language over 400 years.

My father described himself and his peers as elderly after he reached about age 70. Elderly seems to be an acceptable descriptor to me. Refer to the folks at the gates as elderly but please do not describe them as senescent. That would bother me.

NYGUY 02-24-2016 11:53 AM

You can call me elderly if you want, but, please never call me "Sir"!!.:cus:

Madelaine Amee 02-24-2016 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57ChevyFI (Post 1189922)
Good post!!! I'm sure these people are probably making 25 to 30 dollars an hour. No way they make just over minimum wage. I would much rather them hire police officers at their OT rate probably 28 dollars an hour. Having my amenities doubled seems very reasonable to have more qualified traffic control specialist, even though I can say in the past 7 years I've only seen a couple accidents at the gates and no evidence even those could have been caused by the gate attendant instead of impatient residents.

When they offered me a job (couple of years ago) the pay scale was $6.00 per hr with no benefits! Believe me at $25 or more I would have jumped at it.

Allegiance 02-24-2016 12:39 PM

It's good to have live people watching the gates. It's good to give villagers jobs. It's a bargain win/win situation. I love giving our gate man the exaggerated villages wave!

rubicon 02-24-2016 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1190230)
According to the Merriam-Webster on line dictionary "elderly" was first used in 1611 so the term has been in the English language over 400 years.

My father described himself and his peers as elderly after he reached about age 70. Elderly seems to be an acceptable descriptor to me. Refer to the folks at the gates as elderly but please do not describe them as senescent. That would bother me.

Attorneys specialize in Elder Care,states have Elder Care Departments, Elder trees are name so because there old...i made that last one up.

rubicon 02-24-2016 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1190110)
Incomingggggggg!

Well I didn't say anything about elderly people using these MMP's and gates:icon_wink:

RickeyD 02-24-2016 01:23 PM

All the elders have spoken.

dbussone 02-24-2016 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1190292)
All the elders have spoken.

There's that word again!

Barefoot 02-24-2016 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1190040)

:laugh: Carl, glad to see you posting!


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