Swearing of allegiance
 

Who was the last person in history to ask his followers to raise their hand and swear allegiance to HIM ?

Who was the last person in history to label by name every person or group who disavowed him ??

Who was the last person to hold press conferences in golden palace type atmosphere ?

Obama?

Trump did NOT have the crowd pledge allegiance to him. He had them pledge to vote for him. But really? Who cares? Why in the world would this bother you? With all the other things you could cry a river over, you worry about someone raising their hands and pledging to vote for Trump? Get over it. My gosh, are some folks ridiculous! Maybe we should get you a government subsidized nanny to comfort you.

You skipped over the other two....AND I am old enough to remember the last person to ask for a hand raised pledge vote for that person.

When was the last presidential candidate to BRAG openly, both in print and on radio about "doing" other peoples wives while he was married ?

When was the last presidential candidate to not be aware of the Geneva Convention and tell his supporters that the military will obey HIM ? And he made it very clear it was about HIM, not some dedication to the country.
YES, he turned this around the next day...two things....why would he say what he said in the first place and then he turned around and said we should pass laws allowing more torture.

When was the last presidential candidate to be sued by a state attorney general for fraud ?

When was the last presidential candidate to call an ex POW who was subject to inhumane torture a loser ? His reasoning was that McCain disagreed with him.

When was the last president to campaign on economic promises that a) are impossible b) not his call, belongs to congress and c) are called disasterous to our economy by ever economist ? NOT speaking of tax issues here/

When was the last presidential candidate to not even have the slightest idea of our countries nuclear triad....not knowing the name is excused, but he totally understood the question.

When was the last presidential candidate to tell you that you will pay more for goods from Chiina under his term (his trade policies with them he proposes will cause that)

When was the last candidate for any office anywhere, to criticize people for having goods produced in China when he is marketing his own line manufactured in China ?

And you would rather Hillary???? :a20:

And you would rather Hilary??? :a20:

Sounds like another liberal who will (hopefully) leave the country after Trump wins

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I don't really care for Trump, but if all the a$$h0!e$ who promised to leave the country would actually do so, I'd vote for him 8 times (just like a democrat), and get some dead relatives to vote as well.

I am a Republican, a conservative.

I have been posting anti Obama posts on here, probably well before you ever came to the Villages.

I have posted many many many anti Hillary Clinton posts on here. I have tried to tell things that have been written. I have been EXTREMELY critical of her in every way.

I have been posting against Obama since before he was a candidate as I have been a member of TOTV since 2007 and one of the charter members of the political forum.

Having said that, I have not posted in some time but Trump movement and I agree with him...it is a movement....is the biggest fraud he has ever committed and he has committed many. I am not supporting Rubio, nor Cruz, nor Kasich.

I KNOW that Trump is a con artist, however, and why you folks cannot see that he does not even have the slightest idea of what governing is all about. TRUST ME....governing the country is not even close to being the king of a company. His evasion of issues and acceptance thereof by his followers is a scary thing.

A Trump nomination will seal the election in November to Hillary Clinton.

A Trump nomination will seal the turning over of congress to the Democratic party.

He is actually running as the anti Obama mostly. He is telling you all those things you want to hear but that he can do nothing about...NOTHING.

We have a congress, and remember that congress has already gone on record that they will not support him in the campaign and have been given the ok to campaign AGAINST him.....THUS we will lose congress.

Losing congress makes what is already impossible promises all that much more impossible. Congress makes trade deals....Congress pays the bills and I could go on and on. We also have that little thing called the constitution.

I understand the feeling people have...heck, I have it. BUT I can tell you that he is a fraud of the largest type. He is all the names applied to him.

It is already "almost" a fact that he shared with the NY TIMES he will change all his promises. All this bluster is to get you to vote for HIM. He is not and never will be a conservative.

Bottom line, I am old enough to remember the last time someone in this world talked like him. I remember reading how the people felt so strongly that he would take them out of what they considered their misery. If you even touch on history the parallels are scary. Many people tried to warn about this man. On his rise to power he ".....won the strong support of German industrialists who thought the existing politicians were clueless about the economy."

Sound a bit famaliar.

You are talking about a man who is so crude he will tag you with a label if you disagree with ANYTHING he says.....like him or not John Mccain because he disagreed politically became a "loser" He must tag all demostrators with labels, either by ethnicity or by skin color. Does that sound famaliar to anyone ?

You are talking about a man who was so gross as to brag openly not only in his book but on various "adult" radio shows that he was screwing around with other mens wives while he was married. He bragged openly.

The Trump university, no matter how light he makes it is a tremendous fraud. The attorney general of NY has made quite a case.

I wont go into the various and many lies he is telling at present.

NO I am not a liberal in anyway shape or form. And I am truely frustrated by the last 8 years....I have posted so much on this forum criticizing Obama, especially in foreign affairs....I think I may have been the most "vocal" on here about Obama care.

Most liberals who may still be around know who I am....have chastised me very much....chased me off the board actualy with PMs etc.

SO I am not a liberal, but I am a very embarrased conservative Republican when I see how a man of ZERO character...not a little...ZERO, who is using his techniques spelled out in his books on YOU. If you do not agree with this man, he will label you and cut into you personally. HE IS NOT A NICE MAN...HE IS NOT A PROPHET...HE IS NOT QUALIFIED...HE DOES HAVE NO ANSWERS TO OUR PROBLEMS....HE WILL CHANGE ON EVERYTHING IF HE IS NOMINATED....HE JUST HAS NO CLUE.

If he is nominated, for the very first time in my long life I will just not vote.

To vote for someone who is a criminal, and for whom I have no respect personally AND THIS APPLIES TO BOTH CANDIDATES if he is nominated is not something I can do. I can vote if we simply disagree on policies but not for either of these two.

The world must think we are fools.

Sorry for the length but the post calling me a liberal tells me that the blind are here and our country is the latest victim of a scam.

If I may add one other thing.

To those who make this about immigration.

We had bi partisan immigration reform all ready to go. We, the public, the people complaining now put up a fuss with congress and it never even got to the floor in the house.

YOU, the folks who are complaining are part of the problem. The President cannot do anything on his own....have you not learned that by now. We have people who want to solve it and YOU the great loyal Trump fans stopped it in its tracks in the House.

When was the last time you saw a candidate body slam and pretend to punch another billionaire in a WWF event?

This add may cleat things up.

The answer to your last question is an entrepreneur who's built and paid for his Golden Palace Atmosphere with his own money. I have much more respect for that than a Community Organizer living in our Nation's House, who appoints tax evaders to be Secretary of the Treasury, and regularly invites Al Sharpton who owes multi-millions in back taxes to our Nation's House to wine, whine, and dine at our expense. If that does not matter to you then please "share your wealth" and send Al some cash so he can square up with those of us who care.

And out of principle, you are willing to give the election to Hillary just to prove how straight we are? You do know that if Trump does not get the amount of delegates he needs for the nomination, and the convention gives it to someone else, he will take the GOP down by running a third party? So, it is better to relax, vote your choice and if Trump gets it, that the RNC lives up to their name and integrity and gives him his earned nomination. I do not like him, and I do not want him for president, but I also will not tolerate the RNC acting underhandedly. If he gets the nomination, he might not win the general election. We might have Hillary as president. But, if so at least we will still have a party that's not shattered by a bunch of establishment cronies. If this goes to the convention for determination and they don't give it to the candidate with the most votes, then they are committing political suicide. AND then we will have either Hillary if she is not incarcerated, or Bernie the socialist. And then we will have four more years of the last eight years. But, I would rather endure another crappy four years, than to have the Republican party destroyed.

No matter how much we dislike Trump, we have to admit that Trump is the reason we have had a 50%+ voter turnout this year.

This is an unbelievably wild clip. Thanks for setting the table....


https://youtu.be/5NsrwH9I9vE

I do not profess perfection. I will state my case in two sentences that are easily vetted and confirmed.

If Trump wins the nomination....

1. He will get thrashed in the general election.

2. The Republican Party will lose congress.

I will give the benifit of the doubt that you can think this through and leave it at that.

I might add, the insistence on talking about establishment in this primary came from Donald Trump. He shaped it early on.

I am not supporting any of the other 3, but suggest you do some research, and I think you will find my summary to be accurate.

Thus, what you and others see as a good thing will turn only to cripple any conservative movement for decades.

Lets do this, if trump wins I will leave the country, if Hillary wins you will leave the country. I think you should start researching which country to go to, Somalia has weather like Florida.

THRASHED because....

With open primary states, democrats can cross over and vote Trump. That is what has been happening. Closed states are coming.

That accounts for large turnouts.

General election....blacks and Hispanic will be out to vote in droves, and they are not voting Trump. Anti Trump move should tell you that should he be the nominee, many will stay home. Democratic Party has a better get out the vote routine and the Republican effort will be fractured.

Even as of now....without the angst, polls show him to be the only candidate who will lose to Clinton in general.

Listen, I am a conservative Republican and certainly thought a campaign against Clinton would be easy but not with this candidate. He just about brings more baggage than she does and lacks any experience and trust me...governing is so far divorced from ruling your own company

Ok, how about this since you didn't seem to get my long diatribe.

Trump wins the nomination by delegates, perhaps Hillary wins. That's a chance that might happen.
If no one gets the needed delegates and Trump is leading and the convention gives it to someone else, Hillary wins. Because takes Republican votes in a third party run.
So, either way Hillary wins, or will she? You don't have confidence in the voter. If the convention gives the nomination to someone else, they will lose a great quantity of Republican voters. The RNC can disband if they do that, because it will be suicide.

I would hope that whoever gets the nomination, the party will get behind him and no one will run a third party campaign. While some think that a Trump nomination spells the end of the Republican party, a Hilary presidency spells the end of the United States. Easy choice.

GOT your point.

Your premise is why the movement on now to stop him. In the 60's this kind of thing happened and there was rioting in the streets actually.

Actually, you are correct, the Republican party was screwed pretty much when he began his "movement". Only hope for them is to beat him outright. He is intent on this and is destroying the party and you are right......if denied they will lose this cycle in many ways, but gotta tell you....because of what he has done, they will lose them anyway...whether he is stopped before or after.

I don'T think you are understanding what is happening here. Let me touch briefly on the congressional problem

There are 469 total seats up this November. Already, PUBLICLY, many are saying they will not support the candidate if it is Trump. Senate has been told they do not have to and will not be punished. They movement will snowball.
With him at the top of the ticket, as with any election like this, Democrats will wipe out every single majority held at present with great ease.

You are correct, he must be stopped prior to the convention or this party can start drawing up some sort of last will and testament. Imagine just for starters on national tv, the convention where the candidate WILL be booed and delegates will walk out. Great start.

I do not think you understand what a terrible horrendous candidate Trump is. Everyone on here likes to make fun of Clinton...do not mean actually make fun, but point out all her "warts".

Trump is a man who has engaged, more than once in fraud..one outstanding now with the state of New York. He is a serial philanderer and has admitted it many times in public. He literally knows not one single thing about government...everyone speaks of Reagan...he was a successful governor before he ran. He has shown a total lack of not only the issues, but the law. He has convinced followers that he can just do things and he cannot and trust me, he will get zero help from congress (even the Republicans). If he begins to mouth off to other countries, well lets just say we might be disrespected now but that will be a drip compared to what our allies will feel about us. Those we need to talk to (nuclear countries, etc.) will....well, lets not guess at that. The promises he has made on trade, economy etc...he just cannot do and most have been shown to be ridiculous as with his budget cuts. He has a simplistic view of immigration and our streets will be filled with....well filled...if he even tried to do a portion of what he says.

Now, it is already out there that he has told the NYTIMES that he is just blowing smoke to get the nomination. That he really will not do that stuff. It is an off the record conversation so it cannot be released without his ok and he is not going to do that (as with releasing his taxes) thus he is basically admitting he is lying as the other candidates have tried to show.

There is so much more and the voters who are mad at Obama are simply enabling him by voting as they are. They are going to end up NOT with 4 years more of Obama policies but many more until the party can recoup.

There is a reason for all the backlash. It is obvious the party is going to be history if he gets his way. In an novel, this would be pre planned and part of another Clinton plot. It IS going to get her elected despite all the reasons not to.

Who ever thought a worse candidate was available and the Republican party would have him as a candidate. TALK about worst case scenarios.

Yes, it will be a disaster at the convention but one made only by HIM and those enabling him and who just will not wake up to the lies.

Please reconsider. Consider the loss in congress because of Trump. Consider the reasons why the anti Trump movement.

Your concern for Hillary is amazing compared to what Trump brings yet it appears you support him.

How many times has Trump sworn to be faithful and broken the promise?

Well, he is on wife number 3 and cheated on the others. Great Republican family values!

How disappointing this post is.

I am on here as a Republican conservative predicting a Clinton win and criticizing a potential Republican candidate and you are still waving the old registration card.

If it was not easy to find Democratic cheaters, frauds, etc I would be angry but assuming you are an adult, you know better.

Oh if only we could predict sexual misbehaving by simply checking registration cards.

"There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle." Alexis de Tocqueville

Alexis de Tocqueville was a French political thinker and historian, most famous for his work Democracy in America.

Trump is my last choice for nominee. When there were 17 in the race, I think he was 16th. But if the choice comes down to Trump or Hilary, it's easy to pull the lever for the Donald. If I thought they could prevent his nomination without handing the election to Hilary, I'd be in.

Then vote for somebody else in Florida.

And keep the faith. He is going to be exposed, trust me. Problem always is that our investigative reporting in this country is behind and slow but it is coming.

He has more, well......equal amount of things to hide and much of his is not subtle as with hers.

HE WILL NOT BE ELECTED PRESIDENT. Not sure about the nomination but he aint going to the WH.....and if he is nominated, say goodbye to the Republican party as we know it and welcome and embrace the Democrats for years....they will absolutely control congress

Trump is only beaten in the scumbag husband category by Newt Gingrich.

His wife was in the hospital dying of cancer and he wants her to sign a divorce paper. Definitely Republican and human scum!

Can you give us all the title of the book in which Gingrich bragged about it or tapes of the radio programs where he made jokes about it ?

There are a number of books on Clinton because he screwed around in the WH.

Don't you just love real political discussions ?

I thought we were voting for POTUS, not husband of the year. From all reports, Obama is a great family man, but one of the worst presidents ever. So I don't think a marital fidelity litmus test will help choosing the right MAN for the job.

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Hell YES!!!

I agree but I also have to point out the obvious. Republicans are such hypocritics. Republicans say Hillary is not qualified for the presidency because her HUSBAND was unfaithful but when the candidate is unfaithful that's, somehow, ok. Sickening.

First of all, it is the liberals that are typically hypocrites. I suppose hypocritics, if the word exists, suggests criticizing below the average frequency. Just had to point out the "obvious"

Second, Hilary's lack of qualification has nothing to do with Slick Willy.
She is a liar, a cheat, a felon and worst of all abandoned 4 men in Benghazi. She may not be responsible for what happened to them, but she sure as hell is responsible for lying face to face with the victims families to give political cover to a failed, incompetent administration. Just having 2000 confidential e-mails on her private server is a felony. No excuses, case closed. Possession of this info in private hands IS A FELONY.

So says the resident former State Department clerk-typist. :1rotfl:

Who therefore knows a hell of a lot more about the rules regarding confidential documents than you do

First, I am a conservative Republican. I oppose almost all Obama stands for relative to policies.

Marital fidelity is one aspect of character, especially when you boast of it crudely in books and on the air while still married.

That kind of behavior is of the Kardashian, and yes Celebrity Apprentice age, and is a terrible anchor on the character.

Add a despicable, filthy mouth and a soul that allows you to label everyone and anyone who may disagree with you.

Imagine Obama speaking of anyone in the terms that Trump uses. You would be outraged.

Donald Trump is AT BEST a failed human being.