Obama Petition
 

Thosands of people are jumping aboard a petition that demands documentation of President-elect Barack Obama's eligibility to hold the highest office in the United States and not just assurances from party officials.

Within 24 hours of it's launch more than 28, 500 petitioners have joined the effort coordinated by WND founder and editor, Joseph Fara. Read the latest now on WND.com.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageld=81698

Sign the petition:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageld=81550

:agree: :agree: :agree:

Get over it we had to get over Bush stealing the election in 2000.

28,500 ? Not very impressive considering that at last count, 2007,
Population of the USA was 301,139,947!

Oh no is this political?????????? must run for my life:crap2::crap2::crap2:

barf

Any basis in fact for this asinine claim? Just because morons repeat a lie for 8 years does not make it the truth.

There have been books written about Hillary killing Vince Foster..now Obama really isn't an American.

You believe what you want but I can believe what I want. If you really want some of my links I will post them.

Here ya go Muncle...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

And its not nice to call people names...I would put my IQ up against anyones.

Jesus had Democratic viewpoint
 

:1rotfl: When Jesus comes back he intends to rule over the US and he was not born here. What will we do oh my oh my what will we do.

I agree, I can not beleive we hearing this again. what next??????

This is just too funny! Get over it - the Republicans lost. End of story.

move on
 

GEEZ people,isn't it time to move on with your life?????????

:ohdear:

From a die-hard conservative (me):

Yeah, let's throw BO out of office, spend 500 million and two years on another election, and still elect a democrat (Hillary?) into office. No thanks!

Let him do his job and hope for the best.

And Cologal: You may indeed have a high IQ but posting a source from a somewhat dubious website from New Zealand to pass as a reference just doesn't cut it. I'm sure that you could produce many other web sources for the same information but it is all questionable. Both sides of that 2000 argument could point to possible issues but that was 8 years ago! It's over.

A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words
 

This idea is...

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...a/images-1.jpg

Actually that was my point in my original post and I have moved on. But then came the moron post. A lot of people here use foreign links but Black Box Voting.com is a US organization headed up by Bev Harris. That was the information I was after.

What a bunch of CR.P. Here we go again. Eight more years of bashing. Get over it. "Thousands of people" doesn't make it right. If these people would just find something a little more productive to do with their lives, maybe we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now. I just wish the conservative right would grow up. It makes me want to barf... Hey that rhymes. :coolsmiley:

Up usually does rhyme with Up. Just joking!:laugh::laugh:

The conservative right will probably bitch for 8 years the same way that the liberal left bitched for the past 8. The rest of us will just get on with our lives.

The whole petition thing is so stupid. They're trying to claim he isn't a citizen so he isn't eligible to be President. The Fourteenth Amendment states that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." Since Hawaii is part of the United States, even if Barack Obama's parents were both non-U.S. citizens who hadn't even set foot in the country until just before he was born, he'd still qualify as a natural-born citizen.Some have claimed that Barack Obama's Hawaiian birthplace doesn't qualify him as a natural-born citizen because Hawaii was not yet a state when he was born. This claim is wrong: Hawaii was admitted as the 50th state almost two years before Barack Obama's birth there. So basically, these people who are claiming he's not a legitimate citizen don't have a leg to stand on. Just another conspiracy theory. I'm suprised people can be duped into signing a petition like that.

For clarification only: Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution covers the Office of the President. Within that section it states: "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The "at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution" and "fourteen Years a Resident" was concerned with the fact that all of the initial candidates for President were British citizens prior to the ratification of the Constitution and thus not "natural born Citizens. "

Since the Constitution did not have a "pre-date" for when someone could be considered natural born, there could be no "natural born" except persons born after the ratification date of the Constitution. Hence, the or a Citizen of... , at the time of...and the fourteen Years.. language.

It's sort of a pain in the
 

:cus: to have to listen to all the ragging on about ones candidate. Although it sorta reminds me of those who ragged about Palin's clothes et al.

Ooopps I didn't mean to infer fair play....I forgot the rules of engagement for partisan politics.

BTK:laugh:

The US Supreme Court is looking into this.
 

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...4212358AAxsLzv

There is a Conference at the US Supreme Court on December 5, 2008, to consider a challenge made about Senator Obama's qualifications to be President. This comes from New Jersey in a case by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells the NJ Secretary of State.

I guess I just don't get the point. Let's say for the sake of argument that for some reason Obama were disqualified. Then Biden would be President. Is that what they are aiming for? Doesn't make sense.

I would think the other alternative is
 

....hypothesizing only.....let's say he is disqualified....I would think the election would be would go back to the "qualified" candidate and McCain wins.

The election is not that the party that wins gets to keep it....I really don't know, but in ANY other event where a contender is disqualified the win goes to the opponent.....like it or not!!!

Anyway if there was even a prayer of a case it would have been pushed very hard prior to the election.

On one of my favorite aspects...it surely must not be an issue.....BECAUSE...if it was the media would have been all over it.....yeah right:1rotfl: The subject being absent from the media is conspiquous(? spelling) by it's absence...eh?

Sorry I could not resist!

BTK

I’m afraid there are a great number of dupes... I mean dopes, in this country.:cryin2:

Well, I wasn't going to weigh into this, but....

The case before the Supreme Court challenges the eligibility of both Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain. Mr. Obama's eligibility is questioned on the content of the Hawaiian birth record which has, under Hawaiian law, been kept access-restricted. Mr. McCain's eligibility is questioned as to whether he is a "native born citizen" (there is no question about him being a "citizen) by virtue of not having been born within any State, but born in a trust territory of US citizens stationed in that territory by government orders.

These are interesting legal challenges. SCOTUS could toss the case, agree to hear all or part, or summarily rule.

Hold it guys, This is being investigated and if there's anything to it we could have a hellava mess..... There is precedence for this kind of scrutiny and it has created havoc twice before in history..............

Now as far as adding your name to a petition on the INTERNET goes ,,,Its a waste of time because an e-mail petition is not acceptable by any governmental organization........

Now if anything does surface about Obama's true origin the democrats have enough money to squash it and bury it....It will never see the light of day..and I'm not so sure that thats a bad thing..
I'm a republican but Obama has done everything right so far , so let give him a fair shot at this ...If he turns out to be another FDR , then we all win..

A prior poster made a remark about her IQ . I have a minor DEGREE in anthropology and by the looks of her forehead I don't think comparing IQ'S is such a good idea, especially if you are sensitive........

rock collector fumar ..............:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Geez Fumar I was getting ready to pull out the I agree sign. Can you imagine The Great Fumar and I agreeing on anything? Then came the comment about my forehead....LOL

I agree with everything above the forehead comment!

It's been picked up by the MSM!
 

It's been picked up by the MSM!
 

On one of my favorite aspects...it surely must not be an issue.....BECAUSE...if it was the media would have been all over it.....yeah right The subject being absent from the media is conspiquous(? spelling) by it's absence...eh?

Sorry I could not resist!

BTK


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...6/1689515.aspx

A Non-Event
 

I'm not a lawyer, but even if the Supreme Court agrees to hear the case--which I think is highly doubtful--they almost certainly wouldn't consider the evidence, hear the arguments, make their decisions and write their briefs before December 15, when the Electoral College votes. And I don't think they're going to permit the U.S. to proceed leaderless, even for a short time, given the critical problems we currently face.

I predict that the Court simply declines to hear the case and it's all over. We'll have a new President in time for a cocktail on the afternoon of December 15!

In a few weeks he has demonstrated remarkable leadership. The Country does not need such devisive (and absolutely insane) distraction. As a Republican I am embarrassed to think that any reasonable member of the GOP would raise this issue at this point. I prefer to believe that this foolish notion surfacing again is likely due to subversive hate groups who have other agendas.

This case (Donofrio v. Wells) going to conference at SCOTUS is not an anti-Obama matter. The eligibility of both candidates, for different but logical reasons, is challenged.

The rules of court at SCOTUS first has the justices nominate a case for full court review. A nominated case then goes to closed-door conference where all justices vote whether the court should hear the case. A minimum of four justices must agree that the case be reviewed before it can be docketed on the court calendar. If the four "YEA" votes aren't received, the matter dies there, and the lower court ruling stands. If the matter does get the 4+ go-ahead votes, the Chief Justice can direct the matter be fast-tracked due to exigent circumstances, and order the matter be calendared on-or-before a certain date.

The SCOTUS options are several, and include: 1) dismissing the matter via agreement with the lower court's ruling, or stating "lack of standing" of the complaintant (Donofrio), or declaring the matter moot, or simply not getting the required four+ votes to proceed further; and 2) agreeing to hear the case and rule, in whole or in part, as it concerns either candidate.

If on the chance the case clears conference and get docketed and the Obama segment of the case is to be reviewed (please always remember the case has two separate segments), there is sufficient time to hear the matter and rule prior to the inauguration. It is unlikely (but not impossible) that SCOTUS would issue an injunction to delay an Electoral College action, as the matter may indeed be decided in favor of the respondent (Wells, the NJ Attorney General) prior to the inauguration.

The irony is that the McCain segment of this case has the strongest Constitutional argument concerning eligibility ("native born citizen") to be President. The Obama segment seems more a matter of evidentiary disclosure, in that what is the standard of proof a state can and should demand to verify the eligibility of a person in order to place that person on the ballot.

SCOTUS is not a bunch of radical activists. It is an appellate court, and does what it's supposed to - review cases decided by lower courts, decide if the a case should be reviewed at the SCOTUS level, and the decide accordingly what should happen next - 1) affirm the lower court decision; or 2)reverse the lower court decision and rule for the complaintant; or 3) reverse the lower court decision and remand (send back) the case to the lower court for that court to rehear the matter.

Enough of this - it's time to baste the bird....

Bird is in the oven...
 

So now I have a question!

Why wasn't this issue addressed long before he was ever even nominated or allowed to run?

Don't the potential nominees have to submit some sort of paperwork to prove they are eligible?

This makes NO sense to me at all.

I agree with rschoffer (I know scary huh....) but Obama has shown remarkable leadership in the last few weeks. He is putting together a team of some of the smartest, most respected people in the country.

I have such hope and faith at this point. He is acting in a manor that a true President should act. Respectful to his country and strong in his character.

I would think that this was all taken care of prior to him ever announcing that he was running...

We have backround checks and applications for every other job in the world, where you must show proof of citizenship. I would imagine the application for President would include this...if indeed there is an "application", so to speak!

I believe this entire thing to be a farce, but will reply to your comment as to "
Why wasn't this issue addressed long before he was ever even nominated or allowed to run?"


There were MANY MANY issues buried by the press during the campaign, not just this one which is minor in my mind !

There are many situations reviewed by courts which are "obvious" or which should have been resolved long before the courts get involved.

Suffice to say, in the end the law of the land will eventually prevail, and that the correct decision according to the law (and not public opinion or convenience) will result.

If we don't believe that to be true, then what are we doing here in the USA? I'm sure there's some anarchistic hideaway somewhere where we can live without laws if we aren't satisfied with the form of government we have. Here in the USA person can question those who rush the pursuit of their own goals.

Again, those who are looking at the Donofrio v. Wells case as an anti-Obama action need to drop the paranoia, research the case history and content, and get on with their lives. If you are afraid of SCOTUS, then you need to find some land where there are no courts and one party always rules.

Ironically, had Sen. McCain prevailed in the presidential election, the DNC would be touting this case as the most important to come before SCOTUS in 100 years.

E-MAIL PETITIONS ARE A WASTE OF TIME AS THEY ARE NOT ACCEPTED AS A LEGAL DOCUMENT BY ANY BRANCH OF US GOVT. THEY JUST PITCH THEM AND IT MAKES SENSE AS ALL PETITIONS HAVE TO BE ACCOMPANIED WITH A VALID SIGNATURE .......

NON VALID FUMAR ............:sad:

BUCCO....I have missed talking to you on here....haven't ventured in much to this side of TOTV.....

With that said...I know you feel there were many issues that were ignored...and I am sorry you feel that way....BUT I am SO very glad you feel that this one was/is a farce!! I know you do your homework!! thanks!!


Nice to hear from you...:beer3:

The Scope from Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

What about babies born in the U.S. of illegal immigrants? Are they not U.S. citizens? It would seem the citizenship status of his parents is a moot point as long as he was born in a U.S. State or Territory I believe he would be considered a citizen.

Well this took care of all my questions....THANKS Islandgirl!

Snopes Seems To Have The Definitive Law
 

The argument presented on Snopes for Barack Obama's eligibility seems compelling. I guess that leaves the only issue on the table the veracity of his birth and birth certificate issued in Hawaii. If it's this clearcut, it would make sense that the Supreme Court not waste its time with the appeal.

But again, I'm not a lawyer.