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spring_chicken 03-28-2016 04:33 PM

Do you think TV would be better...
 
Given the crime stats for adult children living with villagers, let me just throw this thought out. I have no idea if it would be legal or not....
What if instead of 19, a person had to be 40 to reside in TV? Of course there could be exceptions made for handicapped adult children who cannot live on their own...
Do you think that would make TV better? Cut out some of the crimes related to drug addiction?
Just looking for opinions, not stating one.

Bogie Shooter 03-28-2016 04:39 PM

There have been plenty over 40 who make the headlines.
This sound something like what I have been hearing on the news..................

spring_chicken 03-28-2016 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1205495)
There have been plenty over 40 who make the headlines.
This sound something like what I have been hearing on the news..................

And the majority of them have been under 40.
I'm not a mind reader so I have no idea what you've been hearing on the news.

CFrance 03-28-2016 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1205499)
And the majority of them have been under 40.
I'm not a mind reader so I have no idea what you've been hearing on the news.

I disagree with you that the majority are under 40. Can you cite a source for that?

spring_chicken 03-28-2016 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1205502)
I disagree with you that the majority are under 40. Can you cite a source for that?

My source is only arrest records for sumter county. Don't know about down south. And for discussion sake, make it 50 if you want?

But I will clarify that more of the sex offenders living in TV are older.

Allegiance 03-28-2016 05:59 PM

They should make the villages a retirement community, 55 and over. I think it's an idea that may take off.

kcrazorbackfan 03-28-2016 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allegiance (Post 1205529)
They should make the villages a retirement community, 55 and over. I think it's an idea that may take off.

:boom: :bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

Bosoxfan 03-28-2016 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allegiance (Post 1205529)
They should make the villages a retirement community, 55 and over. I think it's an idea that may take off.

Florida law allows up to %20 of people to be under 55.

Bosoxfan 03-28-2016 06:17 PM

Home / Resources / 55+ Housing / Requirements
Requirements
Federal Register 24 CFR Part 100; section 760.24-760.37 (4a), Florida Statutes

For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older and meet the following requirements:

At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.
The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.
The facility or community complies with rules established by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for verification of occupancy.

billethkid 03-28-2016 06:17 PM

How about comparing the arrest records of other cities the size of TV?

Then there would be a basis for discussion.

The villages dot com amateur hour is not a credible source.

Walter123 03-28-2016 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1205493)
Given the crime stats for adult children living with villagers, let me just throw this thought out. I have no idea if it would be legal or not....
What if instead of 19, a person had to be 40 to reside in TV? Of course there could be exceptions made for handicapped adult children who cannot live on their own...
Do you think that would make TV better? Cut out some of the crimes related to drug addiction?
Just looking for opinions, not stating one.

I think it would be worse not better. I personally like to see young people living here. I also believe that if you're 19 and living with your parents, that would be somewhat normal and, on the other hand, there is probably something wrong if you are 45 and still living with your parents but not in all cases. Hey, here's an idea, let's make 82.5 the max age and we could reduce the number of medically induced vehicle accidents!

alwann 03-28-2016 07:54 PM

80%
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan (Post 1205539)
Home / Resources / 55+ Housing / Requirements
Requirements
Federal Register 24 CFR Part 100; section 760.24-760.37 (4a), Florida Statutes

For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older and meet the following requirements:

At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.
The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.
The facility or community complies with rules established by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for verification of occupancy.

Every time this issue is raised, I ask but never get an answer. Who keeps an official count? Where are the stats? And who tracks the number
and enforces the law?

goodtimesintv 03-28-2016 08:28 PM

I think TV would be better without taking a handful of police blotter reports and stereotyping 119,000 people as "guilty" of housing deadbeat offspring, just because the front page of that "other online newspaper" puts mug shots on the front page, above the fold.

Right now, these (below) are the front page headlines appearing BEFORE a story on The Villages HONOR FLIGHT. That paper loves to put this skanky stuff before decent, honorable citizen stories here.......

61-year-old Villager arrested after fight with wife over phone

Man with Oxycodone, crowbar arrested after attempted burglary in The Villages

In wake of attempted burglary in Village of Amelia, sheriff’s office issues tips to stay safe

Woman arrested after kicking another woman out of bed in fight over missed call

Woman arrested after fight with boyfriend at The Quarters Apartments

Villages Honor Flight returning to the skies with first flight of 2016


NYGUY 03-28-2016 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan (Post 1205535)
Florida law allows up to %20 of people to be under 55.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan (Post 1205539)
Home / Resources / 55+ Housing / Requirements
Requirements
Federal Register 24 CFR Part 100; section 760.24-760.37 (4a), Florida Statutes

For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older and meet the following requirements:

At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.
The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.
The facility or community complies with rules established by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for verification of occupancy.

I think similar Federal Law controls in this case and I doubt you can pick out any age below 65 to satisfy yourself as the OP suggested. I am going to guess that 19 is part of the law.

graciegirl 03-28-2016 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYGUY (Post 1205592)
I think similar Federal Law controls in this case and I doubt you can pick out any age below 65 to satisfy yourself as the OP suggested. I am going to guess that 19 is part of the law.





Sane answer. As usual.

njbchbum 03-28-2016 11:10 PM

Apparently you did not notice that the Honor Flight story was posted on March 27th while the items you highlighted were posted March 28th. So the Honor Flight story has now had two days of publication.
"Villages Honor Flight returning to the skies with first flight of 2016
March 27, 2016"


Quote:

Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1205587)
I think TV would be better without taking a handful of police blotter reports and stereotyping 119,000 people as "guilty" of housing deadbeat offspring, just because the front page of that "other online newspaper" puts mug shots on the front page, above the fold.

Right now, these (below) are the front page headlines appearing BEFORE a story on The Villages HONOR FLIGHT. That paper loves to put this skanky stuff before decent, honorable citizen stories here.......

61-year-old Villager arrested after fight with wife over phone

Man with Oxycodone, crowbar arrested after attempted burglary in The Villages

In wake of attempted burglary in Village of Amelia, sheriff’s office issues tips to stay safe

Woman arrested after kicking another woman out of bed in fight over missed call

Woman arrested after fight with boyfriend at The Quarters Apartments

Villages Honor Flight returning to the skies with first flight of 2016



Barefoot 03-29-2016 03:55 AM

As Beachbum said, the Honor Flight story ran for two days.
It's good that the online newspaper is by subscription only.
We can opt out at any time so we don't have to read the "skanky stuff". :read:


Quote:

Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1205587)
I think TV would be better without taking a handful of police blotter reports and stereotyping 119,000 people as "guilty" of housing deadbeat offspring, just because the front page of that "other online newspaper" puts mug shots on the front page, above the fold.

Right now, these (below) are the front page headlines appearing BEFORE a story on The Villages HONOR FLIGHT. That paper loves to put this skanky stuff before decent, honorable citizen stories here.......

61-year-old Villager arrested after fight with wife over phone

Man with Oxycodone, crowbar arrested after attempted burglary in The Villages

In wake of attempted burglary in Village of Amelia, sheriff’s office issues tips to stay safe

Woman arrested after kicking another woman out of bed in fight over missed call

Woman arrested after fight with boyfriend at The Quarters Apartments

Villages Honor Flight returning to the skies with first flight of 2016



rubicon 03-29-2016 05:47 AM

Do You Think TV Would Be Better.......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1205493)
Given the crime stats for adult children living with villagers, let me just throw this thought out. I have no idea if it would be legal or not....
What if instead of 19, a person had to be 40 to reside in TV? Of course there could be exceptions made for handicapped adult children who cannot live on their own...
Do you think that would make TV better? Cut out some of the crimes related to drug addiction?
Just looking for opinions, not stating one.

spring_chicken: The manner in which you present your question implies that all adult children living in TV are a concern. Further it implies that these adult children are children of TV residents. Still further that they are residents and not renters.

Do you have the exact statistics of: 1) how many adult residents are living with their TV parents? 2) of these, how many of these adult residents have been arrested, etc? 3) compared arrests of any kind to other than adult children of TV residents?

How can you postulate that perhaps TV would be better off if........

In today's America more and more adult children live with their parents all across this nation for myraid reasons economical medical, etc

I could give you a number of ways I believe TV would be better off none of which have anything to do with adult children living here.

By the way I welcome the adult children to this community because I recognize in the vast majority of reasons there is legitimate need vis a vis the stero-typical (dead beats) responses you get from some posters. There is obvious a lot of love and care going on in those homes.

Thank you for bringing this topic to our attention because it appears it does need a breathing .

Personal Best Regards:

Challenger 03-29-2016 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1205493)
Given the crime stats for adult children living with villagers, let me just throw this thought out. I have no idea if it would be legal or not....
What if instead of 19, a person had to be 40 to reside in TV? Of course there could be exceptions made for handicapped adult children who cannot live on their own...
Do you think that would make TV better? Cut out some of the crimes related to drug addiction?
Just looking for opinions, not stating one.

TV would be much better off if there was less alcohol consumption by residents of all ages. By far the biggest contributor to the incidence of crime in TV is "daemon rum".--- DUI , Battery etc.

Walter123 03-29-2016 06:07 AM

How does the saying go? Oh yeah, Ask a simple question, get a simple answer....

spring_chicken 03-29-2016 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1205633)
spring_chicken: The manner in which you present your question implies that all adult children living in TV are a concern. Further it implies that these adult children are children of TV residents. Still further that they are residents and not renters.

Do you have the exact statistics of: 1) how many adult residents are living with their TV parents? 2) of these, how many of these adult residents have been arrested, etc? 3) compared arrests of any kind to other than adult children of TV residents?

How can you postulate that perhaps TV would be better off if........

In today's America more and more adult children live with their parents all across this nation for myraid reasons economical medical, etc

I could give you a number of ways I believe TV would be better off none of which have anything to do with adult children living here.

By the way I welcome the adult children to this community because I recognize in the vast majority of reasons there is legitimate need vis a vis the stero-typical (dead beats) responses you get from some posters. There is obvious a lot of love and care going on in those homes.

Thank you for bringing this topic to our attention because it appears it does need a breathing .

Personal Best Regards:

Did you happen to see this line in my post "Just looking for opinions, not stating one."
The entire question was based on the opining on this board about "deadbeat" kids living with parents. I was trying to figure out if that is a common opinion here or a very vocal minority.
Pretty sure I got my answer from the very few responses that actually gave an opinion.

mulligan 03-29-2016 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alwann (Post 1205576)
Every time this issue is raised, I ask but never get an answer. Who keeps an official count? Where are the stats? And who tracks the number
and enforces the law?

And quite a few times, I have stated that age and other information is connected to your villages ID#. Easy to track. You would be amazed to see how much personal info is stored on TV computers. They use the IBM AS400 system, probably one of the best data base manipulators in existence.

outlaw 03-29-2016 08:18 AM

My understanding of the law is that to be categorized as a 55+ community it MUST have at least 80% 55+ residents. The law ALLOWS up to 20% under age 55 to still be categorized as a 55+ community. There is nothing keeping a development from having 100% 55+. It is up to each community and deed restrictions.

justjim 03-29-2016 08:36 AM

We like to be around younger people as they usually make us "feel" younger. OP, 20% can be younger than 55 by law and regardless how we "feel" that is unlikely to change.

BTW, I agree that there is too much alcohol consumed at the squares. I don't particularly care one way or another as long as they are not obnoxious and have a designated driver to take them home. I have very little patience with an obnoxious drunk.

looneycat 03-29-2016 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1205493)
Given the crime stats for adult children living with villagers, let me just throw this thought out. I have no idea if it would be legal or not....
What if instead of 19, a person had to be 40 to reside in TV? Of course there could be exceptions made for handicapped adult children who cannot live on their own...
Do you think that would make TV better? Cut out some of the crimes related to drug addiction?
Just looking for opinions, not stating one.

I think that is a disgustingly myopic idea. what's next? muslims, handicapped, ugly people, short people????

dillywho 03-29-2016 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1205547)
I think it would be worse not better. I personally like to see young people living here. I also believe that if you're 19 and living with your parents, that would be somewhat normal and, on the other hand, there is probably something wrong if you are 45 and still living with your parents but not in all cases. Hey, here's an idea, let's make 82.5 the max age and we could reduce the number of medically induced vehicle accidents!

You're right, you can't paint everyone with the same brush, so to speak. Not every person in their 40's is living with their parents because there is something wrong with THEM. I know instances where they are living with their parents in order to take care of their parents.

2BNTV 03-29-2016 10:17 AM

I think the crime rate in TV is extremely low. I also like seeing younger people out and about. I think some people have a bias when the crime blotter states an age, and the correlation to age, becoming the dominate factor. It seems the little crime we have, is drug related, (including alcohol), and not age related. There are some people who are flat out thieves, trying to scam older people. IMHO

As other people have said, you can't paint everyone with the same broad brush.

Seriously, zero crime rate is unattainable, no matter where one lives.

Raising the minimum age is a very bad idea. It smacks of age discrimination. IMHO

CritterLover 03-29-2016 01:25 PM

It's not an age thing, it's a creep thing. People who are going to be creeps are going to do it, no matter what. :(

goodtimesintv 03-29-2016 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 1205663)
And quite a few times, I have stated that age and other information is connected to your villages ID#. Easy to track. You would be amazed to see how much personal info is stored on TV computers. They use the IBM AS400 system, probably one of the best data base manipulators in existence.

This is correct. The birthdate of absolutely everyone who's ever been here on a Lifestyle Preview Stay or has been issued a Resident ID is in the TV database. Some here grossly underestimate the developers' administrative skill and methods. They don't make the sloppy messes elected public officials do!

graciegirl 03-29-2016 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CritterLover (Post 1205905)
It's not an age thing, it's a creep thing. People who are going to be creeps are going to do it, no matter what. :(





Well said. I am stealing that line.

Walter123 03-29-2016 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 1205742)
You're right, you can't paint everyone with the same brush, so to speak. Not every person in their 40's is living with their parents because there is something wrong with THEM. I know instances where they are living with their parents in order to take care of their parents.

Yes Dilly, I agree with you 100%. There are those that take care of their parents that's why I wrote there is probably something wrong but not in all cases. Point being that it's more "normal" for a 19yo to be living with their parents then it is for a 45yo.
When my son got out of the Army he lived with us here for 6 months until he start college in Melbourne.

birdawg 03-29-2016 04:15 PM

Not to get off the subject but I would like to see a village just for dogs and their owners. This way they could **** and crap at their mail station.

CFrance 03-29-2016 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdawg (Post 1205975)
Not to get off the subject but I would like to see a village just for dogs and their owners. This way they could **** and crap at their mail station.

Going further off topic, I'd like to turn that around... Let's have a village confined to people who hate pets. Everyone else could live in peace.

gadaboutgal 04-04-2016 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan (Post 1205539)
Home / Resources / 55+ Housing / Requirements
Requirements
Federal Register 24 CFR Part 100; section 760.24-760.37 (4a), Florida Statutes

For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older and meet the following requirements:

At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.
The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.
The facility or community complies with rules established by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for verification of occupancy.

THANK YOU FOR A RESONABLE POST! This topic comes up periodically on here. We all need to remember we were given this information when we bought here: "occupied by at least one person 55 years of age" --occupied-not owned. And this law does not exclude under 55 and over 19 from owning or occupying-as long as person living within the home is over 55.
End of Story!


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