Windows Upgraded Persistence
 

Windows began by asking me if I wanted Windows 10 and provided an option to accept or deny.

For the last two days they now demand that I accept Windows 10 and the only options are begin the upgrade now or within the next 3 days. There are no close buttons.

I don't want Windows 10.

Has anyone experienced this same invasion, and if so have they found a why to beat it?

The only manner, and its temporary, in which I found to delay it is to do an immediate shut down.

This window from Windows continues to appear and it is annoying

Try this site:How to Remove, Block and Prevent "Get Windows 10" Application for Enterprise Environments | Charles Allen’s Blog
Google is better at giving answers than TOTV.

Thank you

Do it quick. My upgrade started without asking me.

mine upgraded and I could not stop it. but i will tell you it is not much different from what i can tell so far. it did take 2 hours to install

My IT guy told me to do it. It's free until July. There were some changes, but it was not significant.

Yep. Turned my computer on a few days back. Came back after making coffee. Upgrade in progress. I did not want it. However, I have had no problems with W10. And, it's actually kinda nice knowing I have the latest and greatest. So, I'm OK with it.

Thank you nomosno.

I am upset that a corporation is allowed to invade my privacy without asking my permission. the least they could do before ravaging me is to give me a kiss

What I encountered is that Microsoft moved Win10 from an upgrade into the update section so that if you have your computer set to install updates automatically, it will install Win10 without your knowledge or approval. I wanted to wait until the first service pack for Win10 came out to install it and was thankful I have it set to download updates, but not install them until I tell it to do so. I had to keep unchecking the Win10 box to keep it from installing it.

Now that I've installed Win10 and got used to the tiles, it's an improvement from Win7 as far as I'm concerned.

You did agree to it in your EULA. Sorry you (nor any other sane person) read it.

The fact is Windows 10 is a HUGE improvement over 8.x and even 7. Even more so for the folks with Pro who know how to play with Hyper-V.

There simply is no valid reason for any home user to stay on 7 (of any flavor), and even more so no reason to not go to 10 from 8.x as they taste the same...only 10 is better.

While I sympathize with those who've ended up with an unintended upgrade and deplore the tactics that MS has used to maximize Windows 10 install counts in this whole affair, I think what you said is the bottom line.

Yes, on first glance, the Windows 10 user interface is quite a bit different (especially so for those coming from Windows 7, but from Windows 8.x, not so much). However, there are a few simple tweaks you can make to put a lot of things pretty much back the way they were. I'd be happy to advise on that subject. I'm a so-called Windows Insider (translation, I enjoy living on the bleeding edge) and am very familiar with customizing Windows. There are some very nice usability improvements to the start menu coming in the so-called "anniversary update" coming in July (though still no option to turn the tiles off altogether ;-).

But aside from all the user interface issues, the underlying operating system is quite a bit better than Windows 7 and 8.x and I'm glad I upgraded as well.
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Bob C

Sorry, I don't agree.
My laptop is 4 yrs old. Everything is working fine.
I'll upgrade to 10 in a few years, when I replace it.

I was told at the Microsoft store that it is free for only the first year. After that, we will all have to buy it. I asked if I can go back to Windows 8 at that point. Unfortunately, that will happen only if I buy it again. No thanks! It downloaded on my husband's computer but never installed because he wouldn't accept their terms.

You got bad information. You can ALWAYS go back to the OS that shipped with your system - ALWAYS (presuming you made the ERD). You also have 30 days from the time you install 10 to cycle back (and maybe even save the directory to USB and you have as long as you want).

The terms are no different than they were for 7 and 8...If you buy 10 you can legally install Windows 95 if you want (and have the media). For those on 7...look at the system, you will see a license number sticker. You can ALWAYS go back to that - period. 8 had no sticker as the license is build into the system itself.

Mike I agree went to get my coffee and the download had started,checked and it is now an update.
Big Brother in the sky type of thing. it updated all my drivers that needed updates.Have not found any
problems "so far " .Fairly well beat this in the ground,all files are still on board and stored info still intact.
As they say "kick start it and see what happens" .End of life sort of thing.lol software eol.

Once you get rid of the moronic "bloatware" icons from the start menu, put in what you want...suddenly everyone likes 10. Depending on your brand of system you may get more or less bloatware.

I miss this garbage. One word "APPLE".

I have read everyone's comments. And what I read was Greek. I don't speak or write Greek. And I am not one bit interested in being a Greek.

I know and understand windows 7. It serves my purpose. some posters tell horror stories of their Win 10 download. I know enough about computers to get myself into trouble but not how to uninstall an issue.

As to agreeing to the fine print I don't recall that the same contract was presented to me for installing Win 10.

I am getting annoyed with MS and will search out an apple on my next go around

I mean why does a consumer have to be hassled in such a manner. and you do know that Win 10 was designed to extract even more personal information from your unit with every keystroke . MS may be listening to me right now:D

NoMoSno: I downloaded Never Ten. I then clicked on it and my computer asked if I would accept changes.

My question to you is if I proceed will the program explain what it does and doesn't do, etc before I proceed. In other words I would like a preview before the performance?
thanks

I agree if your system is running fine with Windows 7 there's no compelling reason to upgrade to 10 (at least until Microsoft stops issuing security updates for it), especially if your hardware is "older". Even though my upgrades to 10 have all gone fairly smoothly, there's just too many things that can go wrong in the process to make it worth the potential disruption that might occur.

However, despite what most people think, it is correct that if at some time in the past someone set their Windows Update options such that they agreed to accept both critical AND recommended updates (which is NOT the default) that when Microsoft made Windows 10 a recommended update, that prior action effectively gave them permission to push Windows 10 to the machine in question. However, the fact that if someone sued over this that Microsoft would easily win in no way excuses what they did (from a moral perspective). Don't get mad, learn the lesson and move on (turn OFF automatic installation of recommended updates and also get a copy of "Never10" and run it).
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Bob C

All it does is set various registry options that Microsoft has provided (mostly for its corporate customers) to prevent the installation of Windows 10. It also optionally allows you to have it delete any bits of Windows 10 that may already have been downloaded to your machine (which can consume many gigabytes of your hard disk space). The author of the tool, Steve Gibson, is a highly respected (by most) security-focused software developer. Completely trustworthy in my opinion.
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Bob C

Despite the breathless, overhyped reports, the information that Windows 10 collects is generally not personally-identifiable and is intended to help Microsoft improve the system going forward.
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Bob C

Doesn't really explain what it's doing, but this may give some insight:
Never10 is a free app for when you absolutely, positively don't want Windows 10 | PCWorld
Blocking Windows 10 with Never10 | Computerworld
never10 - Google Search

You are 100% correct. That is why when you install W10 you need to go to "Advanced" setup, uncheck all of the telemetry stuff, NOT sign in with a Microsoft account (local or domain accounts only)...but, it does require not just hitting the "next" key over and again.

Yes, if you do not feel like contributing your systems data to the non-personally-identifiable telemetry, it is a lot of work to turn it off. More than it should be. I can't be bothered to do that though, I actually think it is a GOOD idea to help them improve the system. It only benefits me in the long run.
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Bob C

Or just go to the source (though maybe not if you're not prepared to deal with the sort of highly technical material you typically find on Steve's site).

GRC | Never10
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Bob C

I appreciate the information you have posted. I did go in last night and stopped automatic upgrades. I am running 7 and have a lot of games and an older version of Microsoft Outlook (2007) and am afraid I would lose those. Newer versions of Outlook do not provide a couple options that I really like for my job/scheduling, etc. I am interested in your opinion of Never 10 I have been looking at same, but not being that great w/computers I was leery of downloading same. Do you feel it is user-friendly for a fairly literate user?

What is fun is watching everyone afraid Microsoft is collecting information when in reality the biggest culprits are Comcast and Cox. Heck, THIS website is all over the internet. This is a current screenshot of the traffic that TOTV has on its homepage.

http://i64.tinypic.com/91h3dt.jpg

I have not seen a single app that will run on 7 and not 10. Office 2003 runs on W10, so that is not an issue.

My laptop from work runs 7 and will until IT sends me a new one with something else on it. For our home system, we ditched Windows sometime ago and never looked back.

I wouldn't stop all automatic updates. Keep accepting the critical ones, those are very important security fixes. Never10 is totally safe. It doesn't install anything at all. It simply edits your registry to set the options that Microsoft provided to stop the automatic installation of Windows 10.
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Bob C

... yes, not to mention the data collection your SmartPhone does and myriad other companies (Yahoo, Google, TOTV, and on and on).
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Bob C

I'd bet your corporate IT folks have already set the same registry options that Never10 does. That's totally fine. If you don't have an investment in a lot of expensive Windows software that you'd lose if you switched platforms (e.g. to Linux or Mac) and you really don't like Windows for some reason, that's a completely reasonable strategy, although I would strongly caution inexperienced users from choosing Linux. It is very secure and stable but its hardware driver library is a bit lacking (meaning it may not support your recently purchased printer, scanner or other device) and if you need to install and/or configure some software that didn't come pre-installed it can be a bit of a nightmare. A Mac might be a better choice in that instance (or skip the general purpose computer altogether and get a ChromeBook or a tablet).
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Bob C

We just use Group Policy :thumbup:

Of course. I believe setting the options in Group Policy causes the same registry updates that Never10 makes (or that you can make manually with regedit if you're up to it). Its only two registry keys. Not a big deal.
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Bob C

My Windows laptop is administered remotely, which is fine with me. The only reason I have it is because my company forces me to have it. The "real" computers I use run SUSE. My wife's system is an iMac (which is essentially unix). I have built Redhat systems for home use before and they worked fine. My computer count is way down from the past. Once I retire, there will be no more Windows boxes in my house.

I've had to use RedHat Enterprise Linux on my work machine. Meh. When I retire (next month) there'll be no more *ix boxes in my house. I was at Bell Labs when Unix first became a thing. I never really warmed up to it (though there's no question it is far more secure than Windows). I was at IBM when OS/2 first became a thing. I never really warmed up to it either. Each to their own, I suppose.
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Bob C

Funny. The ONLY reason that they are "more secure" is because they are not good targets. Hackers go after the mass', not the "one off's". Just as hunters go after a field of ducks as opposed to a lone duck.

I have seen MANY Mac's that have been taken over by remote users (often people who think they are on with technical support of some flavor).

If I was a hacker I would go after the most common system as well...but, alas - that is the reason for perimeter security long before OS security.

I have been developing code on unix/linux boxes (command line interface almost exclusively ) for about 30 years - everything from unicos to a/ux to aix to sles. If you aren't a developer, it is hard to appreciate what it brings to the table. When I worked at IBM they gave me a laptop (for profs access, no less) running os/2. I have always considered Windows to be/have a poor foundation to hang a gui on top of. Either you speak grep, awk, emacs, etc. or you don't. But you are right, to each his own. Our only systems in the near future will be Macs with Apple's flavour of unix under the gui, but a command line is always available when/if you need it.