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Guest 05-28-2016 11:10 PM

This Memorial Day Weekend let`s pause to remember .....
 
... those very patriotic young Progressives who stalked the West Coast airports and hurled insults and committed assaults on our brave young men who were returning from Vietnam .

Their actions have left a lifetime of emotional scars on a countless number of those men who had only answered the call of their Democratic President LBJ to risk their lives in service to their country .

Many of the people who targeted our returning military have since
spent a lifetime in academia and in activist movements designed to erode the foundation of the USA .

They should all pause and recall their actions and feel very proud of how they havecaused a lifetime of hurt to their fellow Americans .

Guest 05-29-2016 02:41 AM

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... those very patriotic young Progressives who stalked the West Coast airports and hurled insults and committed assaults on our brave young men who were returning from Vietnam .

Their actions have left a lifetime of emotional scars on a countless number of those men who had only answered the call of their Democratic President LBJ to risk their lives in service to their country .

Many of the people who targeted our returning military have since
spent a lifetime in academia and in activist movements designed to erode the foundation of the USA .

They should all pause and recall their actions and feel very proud of how they havecaused a lifetime of hurt to their fellow Americans .

Thank you.

Guest 05-29-2016 05:27 AM

The vets should have stormed the white house when they got home...it was an unjust and unnecessary war...just like Iraq and Syria.

Guest 05-29-2016 05:27 AM

Oh, suck it up, Cupcake.

Guest 05-29-2016 05:33 AM

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The vets should have stormed the white house when they got home...it was an unjust and unnecessary war...just like Iraq and Syria.

The cupcake remark was made to the OP and his ridiculous cohort who agreed with him.

The "heroes" were the draft evaders who had the courage to go to Canada instead of fighting in a civil war which meant nothing to America. 58,000 killed for absolutely no good reason!

Makes no difference who was President. The US had no reason to get involved in a civil war.

Guest 05-29-2016 05:55 AM

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The cupcake remark was made to the OP and his ridiculous cohort who agreed with him.

The "heroes" were the draft evaders who had the courage to go to Canada instead of fighting in a civil war which meant nothing to America. 58,000 killed for absolutely no good reason!

Makes no difference who was President. The US had no reason to get involved in a civil war.

The scumbag, traitors that evaded the draft should not be allowed to enter the U.S. ever again. It's one thing not to volunteer, but to abandon your fellow Americans when a Democrat president wants to go to war, is still despicable. If they didn't lover their country enough to support it even when they did not agree with it's policies, then they should stay out of it when it becomes convenient to crawl back in. Clinton was a draft dodger and should have stayed in the UK where he hid from the war. Another reason to dislike the scumbag family of Clintons.

Guest 05-29-2016 07:09 AM

Yes, the draft resisters of the Vietnam War had the moral courage to demonstrate against an unjust war and the courage to evade the draft by going to Europe or Canada.

They are the ones with strong courage and a belief in freedom - not the SHEEP who went to the slaughterhouse.

Of course, we should honor the fallen troops on Memorial Day.

Respect the ones who made a difference to end the Vietnam War by resisting. They have the true courage.

Guest 05-29-2016 07:16 AM

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The scumbag, traitors that evaded the draft should not be allowed to enter the U.S. ever again. It's one thing not to volunteer, but to abandon your fellow Americans when a Democrat president wants to go to war, is still despicable. If they didn't lover their country enough to support it even when they did not agree with it's policies, then they should stay out of it when it becomes convenient to crawl back in. Clinton was a draft dodger and should have stayed in the UK where he hid from the war. Another reason to dislike the scumbag family of Clintons.

Follow your herd of mindless sheep.

Guest 05-29-2016 07:23 AM

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Yes, the draft resisters of the Vietnam War had the moral courage to demonstrate against an unjust war and the courage to evade the draft by going to Europe or Canada.

They are the ones with strong courage and a belief in freedom - not the SHEEP who went to the slaughterhouse.

Of course, we should honor the fallen troops on Memorial Day.

Respect the ones who made a difference to end the Vietnam War by resisting. They have the true courage.

The draft dodgers were COWARDS and are still cowards afraid to admit who they are. They would get NO support today and they would be punished when they open their coward mouths. They hide on blogs in their momma's basement, grown adults with no self confidence and probably even turned gay out of frustration because no real woman would want them. Yes, I saw their courage when they demonstrated in D.C. and how they ran like the sissies they are, when the construction workers came down off the buildings and chased them. I bet a few never returned to protesting, when they had their faces rearranged. Yep, cowards. Too bad they worshiped the Democrat president that got us into the wars that they so cowardly hated. Too bad that they were the ones that voted for that Democrat president and contributed to the very war that they cowardly ran from.

Don't worry, there will always be the decent folks that will clean up after you. God Bless my fellow Veterans and those that gave their lives so that scumbags can disparage and belittle their faith in their country that they fought for.

You, my friend have a debt to those veterans and to your country that you will never be able to pay off.

Guest 05-29-2016 07:42 AM

I didn't think pausing to remember Memorial Day was going to lead to such tripe. Let's pause to remember with dignity.

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Guest 05-29-2016 07:47 AM

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Follow your herd of mindless sheep.

I think you have it a bit skewed. Liberals are the sheep, the ones that scatter when there is a wolf around. The ones that cower in a group and don't defend themselves, EVER. So, welcome to the fold, little lambie.

Guest 05-29-2016 08:06 AM

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The scumbag, traitors that evaded the draft should not be allowed to enter the U.S. ever again. It's one thing not to volunteer, but to abandon your fellow Americans when a Democrat president wants to go to war, is still despicable. If they didn't lover their country enough to support it even when they did not agree with it's policies, then they should stay out of it when it becomes convenient to crawl back in. Clinton was a draft dodger and should have stayed in the UK where he hid from the war. Another reason to dislike the scumbag family of Clintons.

Volunteer? They were drafted, conscripted, enslaved, to fight a political war. It wasn't about the spread of communism. That's the BS story thay told us so we'd support it. Same with Iraq and it's WMDs. Syria and whatever the hell the excuse will be there.

It's ALL just BS to get the people to go along while they get rich on government contracts.

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Yes, the draft resisters of the Vietnam War had the moral courage to demonstrate against an unjust war and the courage to evade the draft by going to Europe or Canada.

They are the ones with strong courage and a belief in freedom - not the SHEEP who went to the slaughterhouse.

Of course, we should honor the fallen troops on Memorial Day.

Respect the ones who made a difference to end the Vietnam War by resisting. They have the true courage.

Resisting had no effect on the end of the war. The Tet Offensive showed that indigenous support was too high. Think of the French resistance to the Germans, same thing here but against us and overwhelming. We were run out.

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The draft dodgers were COWARDS and are still cowards afraid to admit who they are. They would get NO support today and they would be punished when they open their coward mouths. They hide on blogs in their momma's basement, grown adults with no self confidence and probably even turned gay out of frustration because no real woman would want them. Yes, I saw their courage when they demonstrated in D.C. and how they ran like the sissies they are, when the construction workers came down off the buildings and chased them. I bet a few never returned to protesting, when they had their faces rearranged. Yep, cowards. Too bad they worshiped the Democrat president that got us into the wars that they so cowardly hated. Too bad that they were the ones that voted for that Democrat president and contributed to the very war that they cowardly ran from.

Don't worry, there will always be the decent folks that will clean up after you. God Bless my fellow Veterans and those that gave their lives so that scumbags can disparage and belittle their faith in their country that they fought for.

You, my friend have a debt to those veterans and to your country that you will never be able to pay off.

You have no idea, no clue as to how politics and the world really operates. I bet you watch a lot of TV too? The propaganda machine. Telling you what to think... You're being conned.

They refused to be enslaved to die for bankers and politicians.

Guest 05-29-2016 08:45 AM

Why don't some of those who served in Vietnam tell us the reasons that the USA needed to be in that war - and how the freedom of America depended on it?

Guest 05-29-2016 08:47 AM

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I think you have it a bit skewed. Liberals are the sheep, the ones that scatter when there is a wolf around. The ones that cower in a group and don't defend themselves, EVER. So, welcome to the fold, little lambie.

Nope, it was the mindless sheep who followed their herd to a war that the USA had no reason to be involved with.

Guest 05-29-2016 09:23 AM

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Nope, it was the mindless sheep who followed their herd to a war that the USA had no reason to be involved with.

No-not mindless - These are patriotic men who I admire and appreciate.

And that's what always makes me angry. They should not have not been deceived in the first place.


"The deeper lesson of the Tonkin Gulf episode is how a group of senior national security officials can seek determinedly through hardball and even illicit tactics to advance a war agenda, even knowing that the President of the United States is resisting it."
How LBJ Was Deceived on Gulf of Tonkin – Consortiumnews

I don't feel sorry for LBJ. He didn't have the balls to do what he wanted to do. That doesn't sound like him, does it?

I'm sorry it wasn't stopped much sooner. I'm sorry if you also lost loved ones.

Guest 05-29-2016 09:25 AM

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Why don't some of those who served in Vietnam tell us the reasons that the USA needed to be in that war - and how the freedom of America depended on it?

Just about everybody I knew who ended in in Vietnam were either drafted or enlisted with promises from the recruiter to keep them out. No one that came back felt that we should have been there. In fact, very little was said.

As a baby boomer growing up Memorial Day was about WWII and to a lesser extent WWI.

Guest 05-29-2016 10:18 AM

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Why don't some of those who served in Vietnam tell us the reasons that the USA needed to be in that war - and how the freedom of America depended on it?

Unless they were high ranking or had particular jobs and can't talk about it...they knew nothing of why we were there more than anyone else.

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No-not mindless - These are patriotic men who I admire and appreciate.

And that's what always makes me angry. They should not have not been deceived in the first place.


"The deeper lesson of the Tonkin Gulf episode is how a group of senior national security officials can seek determinedly through hardball and even illicit tactics to advance a war agenda, even knowing that the President of the United States is resisting it."
How LBJ Was Deceived on Gulf of Tonkin – Consortiumnews

I don't feel sorry for LBJ. He didn't have the balls to do what he wanted to do. That doesn't sound like him, does it?

I'm sorry it wasn't stopped much sooner. I'm sorry if you also lost loved ones.

You think this was the first time governments deceived the people to go to war? How about ALL of them... WWI, over some unknown duke? Nope. WWII, Pearl Harbor. We knew it was coming, we did nothing as an excuse to get into the war. Iraq, WMDs. Nothing found, it was a ruse to get us involved in another money making "war".

Our leaders are anything but...they're greedy psychopaths.

Guest 05-29-2016 10:19 AM

This Thread is NOT a discussion about the justification of the war . It is about the young men who did serve who were taunted , spit upon and attacked as soon as they set foot back in the USA .
Anytime I have watched a program about the returning soldiers or spoken with one of them they universally recall being shocked and extremely hurt over the attacks that took place in those airports on the West Coast .
The Liberals on this site as do Liberals everywhere are quick to obfuscate the subject . It`s about young men age 20 + who returned to be attacked , insulted and driven to tears by the misplaced aggression of Lefties .

Guest 05-29-2016 10:36 AM

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This Thread is NOT a discussion about the justification of the war . It is about the young men who did serve who were taunted , spit upon and attacked as soon as they set foot back in the USA .
Anytime I have watched a program about the returning soldiers or spoken with one of them they universally recall being shocked and extremely hurt over the attacks that took place in those airports on the West Coast .
The Liberals on this site as do Liberals everywhere are quick to obfuscate the subject . It`s about young men age 20 + who returned to be attacked , insulted and driven to tears by the misplaced aggression of Lefties .

I agree. Anyone here who taunted, spit upon and attacked the military as soon as they set foot back in the USA should apologise.

Guest 05-29-2016 10:47 AM

To all her served no matter the conflict or during a time of relative Peace : I deeply thank-you for your service and all that you endured .

Guest 05-29-2016 11:18 AM

This is worth watching. I know Memorial Day is to honor the dead, but this is for the living heroes.

Soaring Valor (Short Film) - YouTube

Guest 05-29-2016 11:29 AM

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This is worth watching. I know Memorial Day is to honor the dead, but this is for the living heroes.

Soaring Valor (Short Film) - YouTube

I was doing pretty good until they got to the letters.
I wish I could have taken my Dad there. I have been there twice. It's worth going to New Orleans even if that's the only place you visit. thank-you

Guest 05-29-2016 11:49 AM

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Yes, the draft resisters of the Vietnam War had the moral courage to demonstrate against an unjust war and the courage to evade the draft by going to Europe or Canada.

They are the ones with strong courage and a belief in freedom - not the SHEEP who went to the slaughterhouse.

Of course, we should honor the fallen troops on Memorial Day.

Respect the ones who made a difference to end the Vietnam War by resisting. They have the true courage.

If you were awake back then you would realize that all the Draft Dodgers really wanted was to hang out and smoke Pot all day every day . They rarely attended any classes and then organized to shut down the school at Finals time demanding that everyone get at least a final grade of " Pass " .

Guest 05-29-2016 11:52 AM

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Just about everybody I knew who ended in in Vietnam were either drafted or enlisted with promises from the recruiter to keep them out. No one that came back felt that we should have been there. In fact, very little was said.

As a baby boomer growing up Memorial Day was about WWII and to a lesser extent WWI.

Originally Memorial Day was about honoring those who died in the Civil War . It was originally called " Remembrance Day " .

Guest 05-29-2016 12:01 PM

We used to celebrate with a town parade. The kids, like me, would jazz up our bikes with balloons hitting the spokes and ride along the sides of the parade. After the parade the fire department took over the Acme parking lot and gave out hot dogs and beer. There was a band on a wooden bandstand and a few speeches. Those were the days my friend, I wished they'd............................................ ..............

Guest 05-29-2016 12:02 PM

My father was a career soldier -- was a mustang, fought and was wounded in WWII, fought in Korea, died as a full bird at age 36. My brother served three tours in Vietnam. He hated that war, never believed in it but felt he could save some lives by returning time after time. He applauded those that fought against Nam here. Cassius Clay/Muhummad Ali was greatly admired by my brother for having the courage to stand behind his convictions. He had less respect for those who went to Canada, although he understood their reasons. In between tours, he was known to take part in protests. I was the college student who refused to partake, feeling it showed disrespect to my father and brother although I wholeheartedly agreed that Vietnam was an obscenity.

Yes, my brother was spat on and shoved going through airports while in uniform. His attitude was that the folks abusing him were not angry at him but angry at the war and the system. He got lovely discounts when he flew in uniform and took the abuse with a huge grain of salt. I met him at both LAX and SFO many times. Not once did I see a soldier in tears because of poor treatment. I did see one or two with tears in their eyes just happy to be home. I'd like to think our military are a little thought than that, especially since most knew they'd be walking into a maelstrom when they got off the plane.

So, like Memorial Days in the past, I'll honor my father and brother and all those who served. I'll say a special prayer for my mother and all military brats. Their tours may have been more difficult than those who actually served. Sitting, waiting and praying is frequently harder than doing.

And thank you so much for The Soaring Eagles video. I did cry (a lot).

Red

Guest 05-29-2016 12:07 PM

58,000 Americans killed and no one on this forum has given a good reason why the USA was involved in an Asian civil war.

And yet, there are posters calling the draft resisters "cowards". If there was no danger to our country, there was no reason to be involved, was there?

Let's hear some valid reasons why 58,000 Americans had to be killed in an Asian civil war.

Guest 05-29-2016 12:34 PM

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Originally Memorial Day was about honoring those who died in the Civil War . It was originally called " Remembrance Day " .

My error !

Today " Memorial Day " was originally called
" Decoration Day ". It was a day set aside to honor all of those who died in the Civil War .
The practice was to visit graves of the fallen and place flowers on their resting place .
What we now call " Veterans Day " was originally established to honor those who gave their lives in WW-I and was called " Remembrance Day " .

Guest 05-29-2016 01:38 PM

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58,000 Americans killed and no one on this forum has given a good reason why the USA was involved in an Asian civil war.

And yet, there are posters calling the draft resisters "cowards". If there was no danger to our country, there was no reason to be involved, was there?

Let's hear some valid reasons why 58,000 Americans had to be killed in an Asian civil war.

What difference does it make? Libtards are inherently disrespectful cowards and never listen to anyone that disagrees with them anyway. They just bait and scream louder than anyone else so you can't be heard. If you think that it is better to fight wars over here than overseas, then you are much more stupid than I give you credit for. But, I will give you the benefit of doubt and agree that your Democrat president should have thought things out better before entering into the conflict, knowing how bad the French fared when they occupied Vietnam. Liberals are famous for starting fights and then blaming the Republicans. I believe it was Nixon that ended our involvement in Vietnam. Hmm, and he was a Republican.

Since we are the power that attempts to balance the world scale, we sometimes get cries for help from other countries. If we are given the responsibility of greatness in this world, we should not ignore the rest of the world. We also give billions of dollars in foreign aid every year. Are you against that also? If so, just what kind of libtard are you? I already know that liberals are cowards, but you brag about being concerned with the plight of the little guy. Perhaps that is all a sham, a lie?

Guest 05-29-2016 02:40 PM

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Perhaps that is all a sham, a lie?

Let's just say it is. It will save you a lot of writing.

Guest 05-29-2016 03:17 PM

Donald Trump celebrates Memorial Day by calling the city of New York and demanding that homeless vets not be allowed to sell merchandise in front of Trump Towers because it could harm his property values.

The law allowing homeless vets to sell merchandise on NYC streets is over 100 years old, but Trump wants them gone.

Guest 05-29-2016 05:39 PM

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Donald Trump celebrates Memorial Day by calling the city of New York and demanding that homeless vets not be allowed to sell merchandise in front of Trump Towers because it could harm his property values.

The law allowing homeless vets to sell merchandise on NYC streets is over 100 years old, but Trump wants them gone.

He's a businessman first.

Guest 05-29-2016 06:02 PM

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Donald Trump celebrates Memorial Day by calling the city of New York and demanding that homeless vets not be allowed to sell merchandise in front of Trump Towers because it could harm his property values.

The law allowing homeless vets to sell merchandise on NYC streets is over 100 years old, but Trump wants them gone.

More lies from the left. Nice try. Factcheck.org says different.

This is an old issue, not Memorial Day. Trump petitioned for the city not to allow any street venders on the same street as his building. And it is almost a year old issue. It's real cute how you said "homeless Vets" when no one said that.

Is that the way you want to win, by lying like your criminal nominee, Killary Klinton?

Guest 05-29-2016 06:41 PM

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More lies from the left. Nice try. Factcheck.org says different.

This is an old issue, not Memorial Day. Trump petitioned for the city not to allow any street venders on the same street as his building. And it is almost a year old issue. It's real cute how you said "homeless Vets" when no one said that.

Is that the way you want to win, by lying like your criminal nominee, Killary Klinton?

The issue arose again in 2004 when the regulations came up for renewal, and Trump continued his appeal, this time to then-Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
“Whether they are veterans or not, [the vendors] should not be allowed to sell on this most important and prestigious shopping street,” Trump wrote to Bloomberg, the Daily Beast reported. “The image of New York City will suffer. … I hope you can stop this very deplorable situation before it is too late.”
The Daily Beast notes that “[p]eddlers were largely banned from Fifth Avenue, but they continued to sell their wares on the side streets.” The story includes a photo of a row of planters installed in front of Trump Tower to discourage vendors from setting up shop outside his building.

Trump vs. Veteran Vendors

Guest 05-29-2016 08:23 PM

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We used to celebrate with a town parade. The kids, like me, would jazz up our bikes with balloons hitting the spokes and ride along the sides of the parade. After the parade the fire department took over the Acme parking lot and gave out hot dogs and beer. There was a band on a wooden bandstand and a few speeches. Those were the days my friend, I wished they'd............................................ ..............

Yup. the 50s, early 60s... The pinnacle for America. It's been downhill ever since. We'll be 3rd world within a generation. Diversity will destroy us.

Guest 05-29-2016 09:26 PM

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Yup. the 50s, early 60s... The pinnacle for America. It's been downhill ever since. We'll be 3rd world within a generation. Diversity will destroy us.

I don't think so and that was my recollection. We weren't raised with fear and hate. I feel sorry for you.

Guest 05-30-2016 01:30 AM

[QUOTE=Guest;1233279]What difference does it make? Libtards are inherently disrespectful cowards and never listen to anyone that disagrees with them anyway. They just bait and scream louder than anyone else so you can't be heard. If you think that it is better to fight wars over here than overseas, then you are much more stupid than I give you credit for. But, I will give you the benefit of doubt and agree that your Democrat president should have thought things out better before entering into the conflict, knowing how bad the French fared when they occupied Vietnam. Liberals are famous for starting fights and then blaming the Republicans. I believe it was Nixon that ended our involvement in Vietnam. Hmm, and he was a Republican.

Since we are the power that attempts to balance the world scale, we sometimes get cries for help from other countries. If we are given the responsibility of greatness in this world, we should not ignore the rest of the world. /QUOTE]

It makes no difference on which political party had the US enter into Vietnam. We had no reason to be there.

Were the North Vietnamese going to invade the USA? Better to fight them in Vietnam?

Guest 05-30-2016 03:34 AM

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The issue arose again in 2004 when the regulations came up for renewal, and Trump continued his appeal, this time to then-Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
“Whether they are veterans or not, [the vendors] should not be allowed to sell on this most important and prestigious shopping street,” Trump wrote to Bloomberg, the Daily Beast reported. “The image of New York City will suffer. … I hope you can stop this very deplorable situation before it is too late.”
The Daily Beast notes that “[p]eddlers were largely banned from Fifth Avenue, but they continued to sell their wares on the side streets.” The story includes a photo of a row of planters installed in front of Trump Tower to discourage vendors from setting up shop outside his building.

Trump vs. Veteran Vendors

Hmm, no mention of "homeless Vets."
How dare him to not allow vendors outside the door of his business! How many on here complain when a neighbor violates The Villages home owner property rules? You moved here because you didn't want your neighborhood to turn into the ghetto. And you don't want solicitors at your doors. Give it a break. I am sure you can come up with something of substance on The Donald if you look way back during his high school years. Maybe he bullied someone and gave him a haircut, or something like that.

Guest 05-30-2016 03:51 AM

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Donald Trump celebrates Memorial Day by calling the city of New York and demanding that homeless vets not be allowed to sell merchandise in front of Trump Towers because it could harm his property values.

The law allowing homeless vets to sell merchandise on NYC streets is over 100 years old, but Trump wants them gone.

Another liberal lie. That's like saying Hillary celebrates Memorial Day by calling the Benghazi victims' families and telling them the lie about the video being the reason their relatives died.

Guest 05-30-2016 05:21 AM

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I don't think so and that was my recollection. We weren't raised with fear and hate. I feel sorry for you.

You think things are better now than then? Really?

I wasn't either, watching our country turn "dark" and 3rd world is what put the fear of our future and hate in me.

I feel sorry for everyone who is going to get screwed when "they" become the majority and everything falls apart.


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