Standing for Patriotic songs other than the National Anthem
 

There has been a lot of buzz regarding the NFL player who did not stand up for The National Anthem. Of course, it is his right to do so or not - regardless of what others say. I am not weighing in on that.

My "question" is standing up for other patriotic songs like "America The Beautiful", "God Bless America", or "God Bless The USA".

According to custom, it is known to everyone to stand when your country's national anthem is played - no matter which country you come from. Canadians stand for "O, Canada", etc. we do for "The Star Spangled Banner".

We are not required to stand up for patriotic songs but depending where you hear them, the "custom" seems to go to standing. I have seen some folks here remain seated for "God Bless The USA" and the "standees" look at them as though they committed a grave sin.

Viewpoints?

I gladly stand up for the Star Spangled Banner and America the Beautiful (which probably is the better choice for our anthem), but God Bless The USA has been too commercialized and overplayed. I still stand up but with some reluctance.

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National anthem
 

49'S QUATERBACK COLIN KAEPENICK ALWAYS STOOD UP FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM UNTIL HIS GIRLFRIEND[ HIP-HOP RADIO PERSONALITY DJ NESSA DIAB], A BERKELEY GRAD. OUTSPOKEN BLACK LIVES MATTER ADVOCATE AND A MUSLIN. SHE&KAEPERNICK GOT ENGAGED THIS SUMMER AND HAD HIM CONVERT TO ISLAM TOO AND COLIN IS NOW A MUSLIN TOO. NOT FOR WHAT HE IS SAYING, BUT FOR HER.:spoken:

Eureka, Whoop there it is! Good Info normandy.

Hold a door, return your cart, pick up something that has been knocked over in a store even when nobody's looking. Stand for everything that salutes our country and respect the anthems of other countries, stand when it's appropriate. I wear a yamaka when I go into a friends temple. Stand for Our Country before there is no Country!

Mrs. Barefoot this is wonderful to see. :agree:

If I had been in Germany in 1936 at the Olympics, I hope that I would not have stood for their National Anthem. Nor saluted Adolf Hitler.

I would stand for almost any countries' National Anthem now but there are still exceptions. This would however depend on why I was in that country or at some place where that National Anthem is being played.


I respect the American Flag, the National Anthem and the like but really only because of the ideals that our Founding Fathers had for this country as expressed in the US Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and other important documents like the Emancipation Proclamation and some of the documents from the Civil Rights battles.

I do not respect politicians who use these documents for their own often greedy and vainglorious ends.

Thanks much for your respect!:)

All those things that you think highly of,
came about in America, and that is why I am proud
to be an American, and will always stand during
our national anthem!

I fail to see the comparison.

Jesse showed the master race what would soon be in store for them.

The original topic was about standing for other patriotic songs beyond the National Anthem. The discussion is getting far off track. Please stay on topic.

I proudly stand for the national anthem. My grandson knows to stand and remove his cap for the anthem and when the colors go by in a parade. He is diligent about putting his hand over his heart when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, even though he'd prefer to salute like a real soldier. I have not taught him to stand for any other patriotic song, nor will I. So, no, I don't stand for other songs any more than I would stand for a state flag and I really don't care if the entire room does so. This honor belongs to the Star Spangled Banner in my mind.

I have no problem with standing for the National Anthem. As for "God Bless the USA"... I don't stand. It's turned into just another one of those applause-trigger gimmick. Yes, I get "the looks" but don't really care. If it makes you feel good to stand... go right ahead. It doesn't, however, make you more patriotic.

I agree with Walt.....I only stand for National Anthem. God Bless the USA is OK but it's NOT the Star Spangled Banner!

Standing and placing one's hand over his/her heart ( or salute) when the Star Spangled Banner (National Anthem) is played demonstrates respect for this nation and those who gave blood and treasure to defend it. Songs such as America the Beautiful ,etc should also be given respect, the manner in which is going to be different and personal for each of us.

Love of country and respect demonstrates gratitude and appreciation for a nation that allows freedoms many people around the world only dream of but will never realize. Its why celebrities who show an open disdain for this nation and who received more than their deserved share of its blessings is ironic and a mystery to me

I am kind of puzzled by all this, to be honest. As a kid at school, I was taught to stand at attention for the Star Spangled Banner, and to stand with my hand over my heart for the Pledge of Allegiance. It was explained to me that the hand over the heart was because it was a pledge.

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The Law
 

Federal Law describes proper behavior during the playing of our National Anthem. Note that there is no penalty in the law for failing to behave as the law describes. No other "patriotic song" is covered by federal law.

36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem

Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—

(1) when the flag is displayed—

(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

I would stand for any countries National Anthem, but not for patriotic songs.
They will be standing for Springsteens, Born in the USA next.

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I've come across articles were schools have made policy to eliminate the Pledge of Allegiance ..sad sad sad

Funny you would ask this question as yesterday in Church the entire congregation stood to sing America. I sometimes wonder if people don't get confused as to which song is REALLY our National Anthem and what the protocol should be followed.

Standing for the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem is a time honored tradition in the United States. It shows respect and love for our nation and for what it stands. I always do it, and will always do it with joy and deep appreciation for this country. (At least for as long as I am physically able to stand.)

But...........America is not about songs, and pledges, and patriotic symbolism. America is about FREEDOM, and OPPORTUNITY, and DIVERSITY. I will always stand because I want to, but I will always respect the right of others to choose differently. Choosing differently is refusing to sit in the back of the bus, refusing to leave the lunch counter, refusing to pay the King's tax on tea, demanding the vote for women, and striking for a fair living wage.

I don't particularly like what Kaepernick is doing, but I defend his right to do it, and deplore any suggestion that he should be punished for doing it.

OhioBuckeye
 

Well I think the National Anthem is one you should always stand to show your respect to our country & to our kids that serve to keep our freedom. Most of the others if one person stands, usually everyone else will stand too, just so they're not the only one still sitting. I saw a picture one time where there was a parade going by & there was hundreds of people watching a military group go by & the quote on the picture was,"Notice who's the only one standing, the guy in the wheelchair". Everybody else was still sitting!

As a Canadian, married to an American, I feel we have been born to something that many in the word will be denied. I will always happily and proudly stand alongside my American husband and friends when the anthem is played and if other songs make people feel patriotic and happy, I will stand with them as well but I respect the right of others to remain seated.

In my opinion, you either believe in the many freedoms granted in the U.S.A. or you don't. Cherry picking your favourite aspect of freedom doesn't seem to match up with the ideals.

Well stated...and dead on! :thumbup:

It is his absolute right to sit through the anthem. If his employer doesn't have a policy against it, his job shouldn't be in jeopardy over it. But perception is reality. It is also the fans right to weigh in. Ask the Dixie Chicks about the stupid remark they made in London about President Bush. Their fans stopped buying their records, the fans stopped buying concert tickets. And their careers went down the toilet. If fans stop buying tickets for 49er's games, it is their choice. The reality is that celebrities who count on the public to support their careers have an obligation to those fans. The smart ones remain neutral on social and political issues.

Colin Kaepernick jersey sales soar in week since protest - NY Daily News

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The latest news on this topic this morning from the POTUS...makes me very sad and upset.

Disrespecting the National Anthem is not a choice most of us would make to get our values and our point across.

People are buying them to burn them. Winter is coming you know. You know what would take gut's would be to wear a Jersey from this clown to a N.Y. Jet game. I believe several fans may have something to say to them. :spoken:

Let's not lose site of one thing, "freedom of speech" !!
Yes, I agree it's disrespectful to stay seated, but it's not against the law. We all have a right to our opinion and so does he whether we like it or not. He will pay the price for his decisions.
I always stand for the National Anthem and The Pledge. A lot of people stand for God Bless The USA. Sometimes I stand, sometimes I don't.
I also see people standing for Neil Diamond's Coming To America. I only do if I'm dancing. ;)

I will not stand for anything but our National Anthem and the Pledge. I also think it's disgusting and disrespectful to clap and cheer after our National Anthem is played. You are to remain silent at the finish, then sit. Only the truly ignorant do otherwise.

While I have always stood for our national anthem, something I wasn't aware of prior to this controversy is the wording of the third (I think it's the third) verse.

Since I'm on my phone, trying to find it and pasting is a pain...so maybe someone could do it?

If what I've read is correct, it states killing runaway slaves is not only fine...but encouraged.

Are there really folks who DON'T find this reprehensible? :ohdear:

And unlike some, I couldn't be more proud of our President for acknowledging that we ALL have the SAME rights...not just the rights/people we like. :thumbup:

Looking for reason to disrespect our National Anthem is your right. Words were written by Francis Scott Key and here they are; America's National Anthem (All 4 Verses)

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Our national anthem became our National Anthem only in 1931, and the third verse does talk of hireling and slave but they were those employed by the British side. Francis Scott Key was in fact a slave owner. So were many of the people who signed the Constitution.

No one I know today would think of owning another human being. That was our history and it went along with the world's history. That was then, this is now. Laws are in place for people to make a go of it in this country regardless of race.

I have stood proudly for this song as long as I can remember, as a first grader, a girl scout leader and neice of veterans that fought in the second world war. For as long as I can remember I have put my hand over my heart and blinked back tears when the Star Spangled Banner was played.

Here is an argument that supports Coldnomore's view, but not mine. I am troubled by people who are encouraging division and I am afraid we might see another civil war.

Francis Scott Key Owned Slaves, Fought Abolitionists

Never go to a Blackhawks home game. The crescendo at the end is a tradition. And having been there no disrespect is meant. Watch this and tell me if you're not moved to stand and sing along.


Pre Game - Jim Cornelison Sings Anthem. Game #7 WCSF: Detroit Vs Chicago. May 29th 2013. (HD) - YouTube

Normandy, that is false. He has not converted to being a Muslim and he did not do what he did because of religion. Check out Snopes before you spread more lies about people.

This pretty much tells you where his mind is. Regarding my freedom of speech; unless he publically disavows his new religion's radical Muslim terrorism, and admits that the Black Lives Matter organization is ignoring the issue of daily Black on Black murdres (Ex: Chicago and other major cities) his freedom of speech opinion lacks creditability.

Whomever is singing our anthem is NOT entertaining us, he or she is leading us in song. For that reason and that reason only it is not appropriate to clap or cheer.