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Guest 09-07-2016 09:26 PM

Clinton admits error going into Iraq
 
NBC tonite she says she made a mistake, 5000 died, but we can learn from that.

What we learned is she is not fit to be president

Guest 09-07-2016 11:20 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1284952)
NBC tonite she says she made a mistake, 5000 died, but we can learn from that.

What we learned is she is not fit to be president

Trump supported the war too. He just doesn't admit it. What a putz.

Guest 09-07-2016 11:23 PM

Trump was for Iraq, then said he wasn't. How about Bush and Chaney, they are the cause of going into Iraq, not Clinton.

Guest 09-08-2016 03:54 AM

Of the greatest concern and focus should be that Hillary and bill Clinton have violated the American people in the most grievous ways and yet we still have people who place them on a pedestal. I do not have an appropriate name for individuals who can be manipulated so easily and/or believe they are manipulating others.

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 09-08-2016 04:52 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1284966)
Trump was for Iraq, then said he wasn't. How about Bush and Chaney, they are the cause of going into Iraq, not Clinton.

Clinton voted for going to Iraq. She is just as complicit as anyone else.

In my opinion, as one that has been there (in 2003) we did the right thing to get rid of Sadaam. He was an evil monster that killed hundreds of thousands of his own people and tortured who knows how many more.

Guest 09-08-2016 04:54 AM

Hillary is saying whatever it takes to get the vote. She cares only for herself and is arrogant enough to look down on our fellow Americans, because she feels she is better than anyone else. She is a nasty and mean person, that should be in jail not elected to a position of responsibility.

Guest 09-08-2016 05:41 AM

It matters not what Trump as a private citizens opinion or comments were on going in back in 2002.:shrug:

He was not voting on the action, Clinton did vote for Congressional Resolution authorizing the use of military force against Iraq, Trump did not.

Guest 09-08-2016 05:44 AM

This vote was the main reason she lost the Democratic nomination, six years later, to Sen. Barack Obama. And now, eight years after that, She admits it was a mistake writes off 5000 deaths lost there as a leaning experience.

That part was all the networks last night

Guest 09-08-2016 05:58 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1284984)
Of the greatest concern and focus should be that Hillary and bill Clinton have violated the American people in the most grievous ways and yet we still have people who place them on a pedestal. I do not have an appropriate name for individuals who can be manipulated so easily and/or believe they are manipulating others.

Personal Best Regards:

I'm a liberal and do not place them on a pedestal, but voting for trump is like voting for satan. I hope trump voters are ready to sacrifice your children and grandchildren when he goes on one of his tirades and pulls the trigger, if he is possibly elected.

Guest 09-08-2016 06:32 AM

Do you really think one person has that power?

do some reading can't be done

Guest 09-08-2016 07:20 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285009)
I'm a liberal and do not place them on a pedestal, but voting for trump is like voting for satan. I hope trump voters are ready to sacrifice your children and grandchildren when he goes on one of his tirades and pulls the trigger, if he is possibly elected.

It figures that you are liberal. No other group is so stupid to make comments like yours. You do realize that Hillary has made these comments that you are parroting, just to get elected? Hillary is social friends with the Trumps. And you are a guppy for buying into her rhetoric.

Guest 09-08-2016 07:28 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1284952)
NBC tonite she says she made a mistake, 5000 died, but we can learn from that.

What we learned is she is not fit to be president



And it was the REPUBLICAN president Bush who made the decision to go to Iraq. Lots of people supported the idea but its was Bush who made the call. Good job trying to pin it on Hillary though.

Guest 09-08-2016 07:34 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1284997)
Hillary is saying whatever it takes to get the vote. She cares only for herself and is arrogant enough to look down on our fellow Americans, because she feels she is better than anyone else. She is a nasty and mean person, that should be in jail not elected to a position of responsibility.


and Trump doesn't just care bout himself, isn't arrogant, doesn't feel he's better than anyone else. He's not a nasty and mean person. Really, that's what you believe. Trump is the perfect definition of arrogant, selfish, and narcissistic, are you kidding me. He only wants to be president to make financial policies that will reduce his taxes and allow him to make other policies that will reduce his debts with places like China and Goldman Sachs who he has HUGE loans to pay back.

Guest 09-08-2016 07:35 AM

no one said she was the architect of the decision to go in,
she voted for it as a NY senator.

Guest 09-08-2016 07:36 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285050)
And it was the REPUBLICAN president Bush who made the decision to go to Iraq. Lots of people supported the idea but its was Bush who made the call. Good job trying to pin it on Hillary though.

There are a LOT of Trump supporters who do not and never liked the Bush presidencies. You can see the Bush family is hoping for a disastrous Hillary presidency so they can take control again.

Politicans don't care about the people, the country or anything other than themselves and cronies. Bush, Clinton Obama,.... career Politicans are horrific.

Trump is the last chance to turn things around.

Guest 09-08-2016 07:38 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285052)
will reduce his debts with places like China and Goldman Sachs who he has HUGE loans to pay back.

First list the debts that he personally owes?



Exactly how does he do that?



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Guest 09-08-2016 07:39 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285003)
It matters not what Trump as a private citizens opinion or comments were on going in back in 2002.:shrug:

He was not voting on the action, Clinton did vote for Congressional Resolution authorizing the use of military force against Iraq, Trump did not.



Really!!! It doesn't matter what Trumps opinions in the past were??? So if he was a rapist, murdering, KKK grandmaster in the past that doesn't matter because he was a private citizen. Of course it matters what his past beliefs and actions were in the past.

Guest 09-08-2016 07:41 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285050)
And it was the REPUBLICAN president Bush who made the decision to go to Iraq. Lots of people supported the idea but its was Bush who made the call. Good job trying to pin it on Hillary though.

No one pinned it on Hillary. Why so sensitive? The point was made that she says stupid things and her actions indicate something other than what she says. She voted for Iraq not against it. If you have a problem with that, you can't change history. She already voted and it already happened. Personally, I would have voted for it also. I am glad that Bush invaded Iraq. And yes, I was there. So, don't get your panties in a wad getting ready to make a spontaneous reply.

The point is not what choice she made, but whether or not she stands by her choice. Apparently, she changes with the wind, or in this case according to the voters and what they want to hear.

Guest 09-08-2016 07:42 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285058)
Really!!! It doesn't matter what Trumps opinions in the past were??? So if he was a rapist, murdering, KKK grandmaster in the past that doesn't matter because he was a private citizen. Of course it matters what his past beliefs and actions were in the past.

That takes the award for the day's stupidest remark. ..:eclipsee_gold_cup:

Guest 09-08-2016 07:44 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285055)
There are a LOT of Trump supporters who do not and never liked the Bush presidencies. You can see the Bush family is hoping for a disastrous Hillary presidency so they can take control again.

Politicans don't care about the people, the country or anything other than themselves and cronies. Bush, Clinton Obama,.... career Politicans are horrific.

Trump is the last chance to turn things around.


Except he'll make things worse because he is greatly uninformed and has no clue about national security, foreign policy, economy, education, or how government works in general.

Guest 09-08-2016 07:49 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285055)
There are a LOT of Trump supporters who do not and never liked the Bush presidencies. You can see the Bush family is hoping for a disastrous Hillary presidency so they can take control again.

Politicans don't care about the people, the country or anything other than themselves and cronies. Bush, Clinton Obama,.... career Politicans are horrific.

Trump is the last chance to turn things around.

Sorry A man...agree with EVERYTHING you said except Trump the savior. Haven't we heard THAT phrase before? Haven't we BEEN in that position before? Remember, O was the savior from Bush...and now Trump is the savior from O?

They're playing us. D or R it doesn't matter. It's the SYSTEM that needs to go. Ds and Rs just give money to different sectors that's all. The wealthy, the corporations hedge by supporting both sides. THEY win no matter which of the two lackeys you choose.

Think of climbing a ladder. When the D party wins...companies making up the left leg get raised up with tons of government money and perks. Then in 4 years, the R party wins and companies making up the right leg get a boost. This cycle goes on and on and the wealthy and corporations ALL make a bundle on the taxpayers nickles and dimes.

Where do you think all the $20 trillion in federal debt went? To you? To me? It eventually went to the corporations and wealthy. The top 1% owns EVERYTHING because the government borrowed $20 trillion so they could buy it.

Apparently, this is over the head of most Americans. Because they KEEP voting for an evil D or R thinking they're the ONLY choice. Are we hypnotized or what?

Trump ISN'T the answer...UNLESS he really is a rogue. But if he is...he doesn't stand a chance of getting elected.

We really ARE a banana republic. Corrupt to the bone.

Enjoy your day.

Guest 09-08-2016 07:51 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285057)
First list the debts that he personally owes?



Exactly how does he do that?



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Since he refuses to release his tax returns its hard to pin him down on his debts, but if you google it, research has shown that he has massive loans with places like China and big banks like Goldman Sachs to finance his real estate ventures. It may not be personal debts but since he has these financial relationships with these places he may be influenced by them to make policies that favor big banks or trade deals favoring china in order to reduce his debts. Similarly he wants to cut taxes for the top 1% meaning himself. The presidency is all very convenient for Trumps financial bottom line. He would financially benefit greatly.

Guest 09-08-2016 07:53 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285062)
That takes the award for the day's stupidest remark. ..:eclipsee_gold_cup:

Actually the stupidest post is saying that Trumps past opinions don't matter.

Guest 09-08-2016 07:59 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285064)
Except he'll make things worse because he is greatly uninformed and has no clue about national security, foreign policy, economy, education, or how government works in general.

Either that is also Hillary's problem or she is a BIG LIAR. Which is it? She has proven that she is one of the two, just by her mishandling of classified information. And we won't go into all the other felonies she has perpetrated.

Guest 09-08-2016 08:07 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285073)
Actually the stupidest post is saying that Trumps past opinions don't matter.

Actually, your opinion doesn't matter. Trump's past opinion on Iraq does not matter because he had no ability or responsibility to make changes at the time. Is that a hard one to understand?

Guest 09-08-2016 08:36 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285071)
Since he refuses to release his tax returns its hard to pin him down on his debts,

Do you really think you could understand 515 corp returns and his personal that are intertwined?

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but if you google it, research has shown that he has massive loans with places like China and big banks like Goldman Sachs to finance his real estate ventures.
I did can't find them, show us all

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It may not be personal debts but since he has these financial relationships with these places he may be influenced by them to make policies that favor big banks or trade deals favoring china in order to reduce his debts. Similarly he wants to cut taxes for the top 1% meaning himself. The presidency is all very convenient for Trumps financial bottom line. He would financially benefit greatly.
you mean like clinton foundation

Guest 09-08-2016 08:41 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285090)
Actually, your opinion doesn't matter. Trump's past opinion on Iraq does not matter because he had no ability or responsibility to make changes at the time. Is that a hard one to understand?


His past opinions on issues like Iraq etc matters because those are the same opinions that influence his thinking now and influences how he will make decisions in the White House. Likewise, whatever comes out of Trumps mouth past or present matters because that is what you are agreeing with and supporting if you are a Trump supporter.

Is that to complicated for you to understand or do we need to draw a cartoon picture to better illustrate it for you?

Guest 09-08-2016 08:41 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1284966)
Trump was for Iraq, then said he wasn't. How about Bush and Chaney, they are the cause of going into Iraq, not Clinton.

There must be a point to made in there......somewhere.

Guest 09-08-2016 08:49 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285142)
Do you really think you could understand 515 corp returns and his personal that are intertwined?



I did can't find them, show us all



you mean like clinton foundation


Wow, you looked real hard, typical ignorant Republican. You can't just look on the Fox News website:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us...debt.html?_r=0

Report: Trump-Owned Companies Owe at Least $650 Million

Report: Donald Trump's companies at least $650 million in debt - CBS News

And of course everything that Trump makes is outsourced to countries other than the US so he would again benefit from being president and making Trade and Foreign policies that benefit him with his imports/exports overseas

Guest 09-08-2016 08:52 AM

do you think 650M is a lot of debt compared to assets?

peanuts, guess you were never in biz


Also those are great unbiased sources.

Guest 09-08-2016 08:53 AM

it's like 5%, most companies run closer to 20%

Guest 09-08-2016 09:15 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285156)
do you think 650M is a lot of debt compared to assets?

peanuts, guess you were never in biz


Also those are great unbiased sources.



Actually I have a business and I have no debt. The point isn't how much debt its that Trump wants the presidency for financial gain. He doesn't give a crap about the country.

OK, what source wold you like me to look the information up on? Every news source is biased but when multiple sources are reporting the same facts its probably true

Guest 09-08-2016 09:31 AM

Must be a real small

Guest 09-08-2016 09:45 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285192)
Must be a real small


Are you sitting on the toilet examining yourself with a mirror again...we told you thats against the Assisted Living rules. You better shape up or you'll be in Depends from now on. Now go watch Trump on Fox news to help you make poo-poo

Guest 09-08-2016 09:53 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285057)
First list the debts that he personally owes?



Exactly how does he do that?



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Trump already did that. He submitted a financial disclosure form to the gov a long time ago. That must list all his debts. If people don't understand these things, then why are they consumed by the need to see his tax return?

Guest 09-08-2016 10:04 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285211)
Trump already did that. He submitted a financial disclosure form to the gov a long time ago. That must list all his debts. If people don't understand these things, then why are they consumed by the need to see his tax return?



Because the disclosure form doesn't show anything. With a business, Trump can hid everything under his corp taxes. If Trump is in charge of the US economic policies and financial decisions wouldn't you want to know how he runs his own finances? Whether he's corrupt? Lying? Fraudulent? Has financial ties with big banks or other countries?

Guest 09-08-2016 11:08 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285215)
Because the disclosure form doesn't show anything. With a business, Trump can hid everything under his corp taxes. If Trump is in charge of the US economic policies and financial decisions wouldn't you want to know how he runs his own finances? Whether he's corrupt? Lying? Fraudulent? Has financial ties with big banks or other countries?

His tax return isn't going to show any more than that. It is NOT going to show his assets, only his income and his deductions. It is no one's business anyway and certainly not a requirement.

Guest 09-08-2016 12:08 PM

Correct it's not a P&L (profit & loss) which one can see that

Guest 09-08-2016 12:40 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285009)
I'm a liberal and do not place them on a pedestal, but voting for trump is like voting for satan. I hope trump voters are ready to sacrifice your children and grandchildren when he goes on one of his tirades and pulls the trigger, if he is possibly elected.

With Hillary's faulty memory, she won't remember whether she 'pulled the trigger' or not.:1rotfl:

Guest 09-08-2016 12:51 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1285215)
Because the disclosure form doesn't show anything. With a business, Trump can hid everything under his corp taxes. If Trump is in charge of the US economic policies and financial decisions wouldn't you want to know how he runs his own finances? Whether he's corrupt? Lying? Fraudulent? Has financial ties with big banks or other countries?

We already know how the Clintons 'run their finances'. Hillary said, "We not only left the White House broke, but in debt." She is just the type of person I want managing my money.:1rotfl:


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