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Warren Kiefer 11-08-2016 08:42 AM

Tree trimmers cheating
 
Why is it being allowed when most tree and shrub trimmers take their cuttings with them and apparently have to pay for disposal AND OTHERS DO THE TRIMMING AND PLACE HUGE PILES AT THE STREET CURB FOR PICK UP BY OUR DISPOSAL SERVICES ?? ISN'T THIS KIND OF CHEATING THE SYSTEM ??

LitespeedRider 11-08-2016 09:05 AM

No.

redwitch 11-08-2016 09:38 AM

Technically, it's not allowed. If the waste company finds out this was not left by the homeowner, they won't pick it up. Hopefully, these trimmers are at least bundling the yard waste.

To me, it is cheating. It cheats the trimmers who take their waste and pay the dump fees. It cheats the waste company since it is twice as much work to pick up, especially if not bundled. It cheats the dump of fees. And it cheats the neighbors who have to look at this trash until Wednesday rolls around.

villagetinker 11-08-2016 04:58 PM

I would make this a discussion item, and withhold payment until I saw all the waste loaded on their truck....

Warren Kiefer 11-08-2016 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1317141)
Technically, it's not allowed. If the waste company finds out this was not left by the homeowner, they won't pick it up. Hopefully, these trimmers are at least bundling the yard waste.

To me, it is cheating. It cheats the trimmers who take their waste and pay the dump fees. It cheats the waste company since it is twice as much work to pick up, especially if not bundled. It cheats the dump of fees. And it cheats the neighbors who have to look at this trash until Wednesday rolls around.

The previous "NO" answer is not correct. I did a check with the disposal people and was told this type of activity is not allowed. I was also told this particular trimming company is notorious for doing this. The disposal company will not pick up this yard waste tomorrow, leaving the property owner holding the bag for getting the waste removed. I hope M&M Landscaping has to return and pick up this large pile of yard waste.

outlaw 11-11-2016 09:56 AM

It seems to me that the tree trimmings are the property of the home owner who hired the trimmer. If the homeowner trimmed his own trees and placed the trimmings at the roadside, would you think he was cheating? I don't think it is cheating. It is up to the home owner to dispose of the trimmings either through his pickup service or through his contract with the trimmer.

Polar Bear 11-11-2016 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1318650)
It seems to me that the tree trimmings are the property of the home owner who hired the trimmer. If the homeowner trimmed his own trees and placed the trimmings at the roadside, would you think he was cheating? I don't think it is cheating. It is up to the home owner to dispose of the trimmings either through his pickup service or through his contract with the trimmer.

Not saying I'm sure, but this is my take also.

Thnonne 11-11-2016 12:04 PM

I agree, I pay for the refuse pickup, so if the trimmings are mine then the service I paid for should pick them up as my trimmings whether I did the work or paid someone else to do the work.

LitespeedRider 11-11-2016 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Thnonne (Post 1318714)
I agree, I pay for the refuse pickup, so if the trimmings are mine then the service I paid for should pick them up as my trimmings whether I did the work or paid someone else to do the work.

What? That makes so much sense it can not possibly be the correct answer. Surely there has to be SOMEONE complicit in some scam for something.

redwitch 11-11-2016 12:27 PM

Sorry, but most trimming companies include a charge for cleanup and factor in dump fees. So, either MM cuts the cost and forces neighbors to look at large piles of lawn trim for days at a time or makes some extra money at the expense of its clients and still forces neighbors to look at the refuse. Plus, I sincerely doubt a trimmer would bag and bundle. Not a company I would want to use.

BTW, for those who feel it is okay to leave the garbage since it is from your yard, how would you feel if you had a major renovation and the contractor left all the building garbage for your trash company?

We're lucky here -- we don't get charged for large amounts of garbage but that certainly doesn't mean we should take advantage of the company nor subject our neighbors to garbage piles any longer than absolutely necessary.

LitespeedRider 11-11-2016 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1318729)
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BTW, for those who feel it is okay to leave the garbage since it is from your yard, how would you feel if you had a major renovation and the contractor left all the building garbage for your trash company?


That is happening just this week in my 'hood. What is super cool is the semi's blocking the T intersection and the porto potty in the driveway...but we are decent neighbors and dont bitch because it does not effect us, and is temporary. I am a real fan of air nailers at six AM as well....

Some people in TV need to get over their self important delusions and find a hobby.

Polar Bear 11-11-2016 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1318729)
...BTW, for those who feel it is okay to leave the garbage since it is from your yard, how would you feel if you had a major renovation and the contractor left all the building garbage for your trash company?...

Apples and oranges.

alancusa 11-11-2016 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 1317097)
Why is it being allowed when most tree and shrub trimmers take their cuttings with them and apparently have to pay for disposal AND OTHERS DO THE TRIMMING AND PLACE HUGE PILES AT THE STREET CURB FOR PICK UP BY OUR DISPOSAL SERVICES ?? ISN'T THIS KIND OF CHEATING THE SYSTEM ??

If this is such a big deal to you, why complain to the TOTV audience at large instead of just telling your tree trimmer to take it with him. Why make a big deal out of something that you can easily control rather than making a federal case about it?

redwitch 11-11-2016 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by alancusa (Post 1318823)
If this is such a big deal to you, why complain to the TOTV audience at large instead of just telling your tree trimmer to take it with him. Why make a big deal out of something that you can easily control rather than making a federal case about it?

If I understood Warren correctly, it wasn't his trimmers but his neighbor's leaving the trimmings.

Barefoot 11-11-2016 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 1317463)
The disposal company will not pick up this yard waste tomorrow, leaving the property owner holding the bag for getting the waste removed. I hope M&M Landscaping has to return and pick up this large pile of yard waste.

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Originally Posted by alancusa (Post 1318823)
If this is such a big deal to you, why complain to the TOTV audience at large instead of just telling your tree trimmer to take it with him. Why make a big deal out of something that you can easily control rather than making a federal case about it?

When Warren refers to "the property owner", I think he means a neighbor rather than himself.

ColdNoMore 11-11-2016 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by alancusa (Post 1318823)
If this is such a big deal to you, why complain to the TOTV audience at large instead of just telling your tree trimmer to take it with him. Why make a big deal out of something that you can easily control rather than making a federal case about it?

Common sense says that given the way he feels, that is exactly what he would have done...if it had been the people he had contracted with.

By bringing it to this forum, maybe those who are currently turning a blind eye to the same thing will become a little more proactive and insist that their own tree trimmers fulfill their end of the agreement.

Oneiric 11-14-2016 11:55 AM

When I do my own trimming of my 10 palm trees (fronds and seed pods), I leave them out at the curb in a neat bundle,then picked up by TV crews. When i have to use a professional, I always make sure he hauls away his trimmings. I can see where this can easily be a problem of abuse.

ColdNoMore 11-14-2016 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Oneiric (Post 1320311)
When I do my own trimming of my 10 palm trees (fronds and seed pods), I leave them out at the curb in a neat bundle,then picked up by TV crews. When i have to use a professional, I always make sure he hauls away his trimmings. I can see where this can easily be a problem of abuse.

Well stated. :thumbup:

Warren Kiefer 11-15-2016 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by alancusa (Post 1318823)
If this is such a big deal to you, why complain to the TOTV audience at large instead of just telling your tree trimmer to take it with him. Why make a big deal out of something that you can easily control rather than making a federal case about it?

C'mon, would you really go down the street and tell three burly tree trimmers to haul away their trimmings. Where is the Federal case ?? This particular trimming company is taking an unfair advantage over the other trimmers. Plus is against the rules !!! M & M were made to come out and clean up their mess because of me "complaining" .

graciegirl 11-15-2016 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 1320894)
C'mon, would you really go down the street and tell three burly tree trimmers to haul away their trimmings. Where is the Federal case ?? This particular trimming company is taking an unfair advantage over the other trimmers. Plus is against the rules !!! M & M were made to come out and clean up their mess because of me "complaining" .

Are tree trimmers all disrespectful and would they harm someone? All of them? I would ask them. I am a HUGE fan of blue collar workers. My whole family was blue collar workers. That seems like what you might have done, or pointed it out to the neighbor. Unless you have tension with her or him. Like political differences or something..........

Or just wait until it happens again and report it to ...I guess you could report it to the new president elect. ;)

Warren Kiefer 11-15-2016 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1320918)
Are tree trimmers all disrespectful and would they harm someone? All of them? I would ask them. I am a HUGE fan of blue collar workers. My whole family was blue collar workers. That seems like what you might have done, or pointed it out to the neighbor. Unless you have tension with her or him. Like political differences or something..........

Or just wait until it happens again and report it to ...I guess you could report it to the new president elect. ;)

So you are suggesting that I take the personal authority to tell my neighbor or the trimmers to pick up their yard refuse. Do you stop and tell people by law they are walking on the wrong side of the street, or call out those drivers who violate the law by parking on the wrong side of the street ??

graciegirl 11-15-2016 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 1321014)
So you are suggesting that I take the personal authority to tell my neighbor or the trimmers to pick up their yard refuse. Do you stop and tell people by law they are walking on the wrong side of the street, or call out those drivers who violate the law by parking on the wrong side of the street ??

No. I am saying you have two choices; forget it or report it.

RickeyD 11-16-2016 06:48 AM

Is there a law against commercial businesses dumping their refuse into the street ? I'm sure there is. The cuttings become their refuse after they cut it because their being paid to cut it. It's the cost of doing business they don't want to bear.

Warren Kiefer 11-17-2016 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1321049)
No. I am saying you have two choices; forget it or report it.

I reported it and the Villages refuse company would not pick up the trimmings.

ColdNoMore 11-17-2016 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 1321956)
I reported it and the Villages refuse company would not pick up the trimmings.

:thumbup:

Nucky 11-17-2016 10:04 PM

So I buy three toilets at Home Depot and hire someone to install them does it now become his responsibility to bring the old units to the dump? I'm gonna to GUESS the the answer is no because people don't just unload piles of constructuction debris wherever they can get away with it. I don't observe piles of garbage here and there and behind supermarkets and the like. This is the cleanest place we've ever been to outside of our home.
I am learning that things are much different here. There is no way in the world that anyone would ever call on another neighbor's contractor or family member to report a possible violation on any issue back in New Jersey. We had our own lives to live. Now that we are blessed to be in The Villages I am so very grateful that as of today I don't have a neighbor who is spying from behind the curtains to try and catch someone else doing wrong after he just cheated on his taxes. Take a minute make sure your recycling is perfect. Take Care.
Did the neighbor with the crooked contrctor do you dirty in the past? What's the motivation for the call? I'm just trying to understand.


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