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Trump and Putin
Does this love affair concern you????
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I realize those who post here and seemingly are captive to the extreme alt right theories, and dispute pretty much everything else, will dispute any feelings of concern. I only know that ALL of my country's agencies charged with knowing about this stuff says the Russians hacked into and tried to influence our election. They are also linked to hacking into a Vermont utility. I only know that Russia has invaded countries and simply taken them over. I know that INTERNATIONAL sanctions were placed, because if this, and my country agreed to be a part if those sanctions. I only know that my country' experts agree that only NATO has kept them from doing more. I only know the President Elect if my country says he does not believe his countries agencies, and suggests we simply "move on". I only know that the President Elect of my country has hinted he wants to consider strongly dropping those sanctions on Russia (I can only suppose with no consult or consideration of the EU or the other countries who objected to the invasion and joined the sanctions.) providing a financial boon to Russia. I only know that the President electric of my country said while campaigning that he might consider stepping back from NATO (which most experts agree would be an open door for Russia) I only know that Russia has never been a friend of my country. I only know that Russia has been complicit in using chemicals in Syria. I only know that Russia bombed with no empathy for civilians, bombed Aleppo and other towns killing many I am not sure if the President Elect has any financial ties or indebtness in Russia, but his family has bragged over the years of billions of dollars invested in that country. So.....YES..it concerns me |
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Pizzagate was pushed strongly by Breitbart, run by the President elects advisor. |
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Wow given the animosity toward Trump coming from Obama and his band of merry men and women. and given the lame street media's penchant for fake news, hyperbole, misinformation, bias its difficult to ferret out anything from Washington and news.
It has been after a long attempt to deny the election results that Donald Trump did fairly win this election. It also has been established that the CIA, FBI AND DOJ have lost all credibility these last few years. It also has been established that Russia has been acting up for the entire 8 years of Obama presidency. Now we find that Obama with his usual lead from behind philosophy decides at this particular juncture that something needs to be done with Russia. So what does he do kicks Russian diplomats out the door( aka as the wet noodle treatment). Isn't it interesting that following the failed attempts at blaming Russia for Hillary's loss Obama decides that Russia was responsible and sanctions are in order. Of course all this lat minute power playing by Obama has nothing to do with frustrating and overwhelming the incoming Administration with several distraction hoping to postpone dealing with Obamacare and other Obama policies. As i said in a previous thread Obama is staying Washington to guard his legacy and needs to be close at hand with in person and daily contact with allies. No we come to Trump. There are a number of rules to follow when negotiating and one is never to let the other side lose face until or unless it gains you advantage. Another rule, like poker guard against "tells". Another always leave lines of communication open. Just because Trump is playing nice doesn't mean anything. But Trumps detractors are very emotional and reactionary people Personal Best Regards: and what does Putin okey dokey I'll just stay put |
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Those who slough off Putin's hold on Trump and can't or refuse to see it...are either clueless or traitors. For the sake of our great nation, hopefully it is the former...and they are just so blindly partisan as to be ignorant. |
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Trump has graciously accepted an invitation by the intel community to get briefed on the Russian hacking investigation next week. Here to for, he seems to be just relying on his instincts. As a side note, Trump snuck off to play golf today without his protective press pool, after promising never to do that again. They only found out he was awol when the golfers in Jupiter sent photos of him golfing. |
"A senior U.S. intelligence official assured NBC News that cybersecurity and the Russian government's attempts to interfere in the 2016 election have been briefed to, and discussed extensively with, both parties' candidates, surrogates and leadership, since mid-August. "To profess not to know at this point is willful misrepresentation," said the official. "The intelligence community has walked a very thin line in not taking sides, but both candidates have all the information they need to be crystal clear."
Trump Told Russia To Blame for Hacks Long Before Debate - NBC News |
But, as Rubicon tells us...
It also has been established that the CIA, FBI AND DOJ have lost all credibility these last few years. So, it would appear, since EVERY agency agrees, our country will simply rely on the "gut instinct" of our President Elect. Since, he has been briefed; knows ALL of his countries intelligence beings totally agree that Russia hacked, knows their history, he will decide who is telling the truth. Neither he or Putin has ANY history of lying. |
I know a number of my fellow Villagers believe Trump is brilliant but I do not share that view. He is reasonably intelligent and knows how to make money in our system but with world affairs I do not think he is close to a match for Putin.
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No need to get up.....we know...USA security sucks. "It also has been established that the CIA, FBI AND DOJ have lost all credibility these last few years." It certainly was caused by the Clinton's, enabled by Obama, and we should simply "move and n".
USA security, intelligence, news media = BAD Trump, Russia, Breitbart = GOOD I am sure this malware was an error...all nice guys in Russia. It is just bad judgement by the entire world community. Russia is so misunderstood. "BURLINGTON, Vt. – Malware code linked to Russian hackers and found on a Vermont electric utility's computer is further evidence of "predatory" steps taken by that country against the U.S., a Vermont Democratic congressman said Saturday. The Burlington Electric Department confirmed Friday it had found on one of its laptops the malware code used in Grizzly Steppe, the name Homeland Security has applied to a Russian campaign linked to recent hacks. The company said U.S. utilities were alerted by the Department of Homeland Security on Thursday of the code. "This attack shows how rampant Russian hacking is. It's systemic, relentless, predatory," Rep. Peter Welch said in a statement. "They will hack everywhere, even Vermont, in pursuit of opportunities to disrupt our country." Russia-linked malware found on US electric company's laptop | Fox News |
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We have nothing in this country at all. It appears that we are going to rely on simply the advice of Flynn and Bannon. They are right on things..they were the folks who discovered "pizzagate" for gosh sakes, but I understand that headline on Breitbart and the tweets from Flynn speaking of this fantasy, were just them following the MSM using fake news. Despite it never making it to main media except for covering these two speaking if it, those darn media guys..... |
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What I am arguing is that Obama, CIA< FBI< DOJ have been focused on partisan politics and not the security of this nation. I am arguing that Obama is obsessed about his legacy falling apart starting on Jan 20. I am arguing that Obama sat back for 8 years and let Russia walk all over him. I am arguing that what motivated Obama to level sanctions against Russia was not their hacking per se but rather his motivation as an attempt to boost credibility to his canard that Russia's hacking caused Hillary to lose the election By the way Russia cyber abilities have been second rate for a long time. Suddenly they have achieved competency Do you suppose the celebrated whistle blower idolized in the Oliver Stone movie has anything to do with Russia's ability to penetrate our cyber securities systems . Edward Snowden traitorous act has given both Russia and China a gateway to this nations secrets and if he returns he ought to be tried as a traitor and if found guilty sent to Gitmo Personal Best Regards: |
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You seem to be more concerned about an outgoing president and a failed candidate. You denigrate our national intelligence agencies. The question was the relationship our incoming President has with Russia, and you made it all politics. I am an American and as I responded I am concerned. You imply by mentioning fake news, the ineptness of our country's agencies, that as Trump says, he does not believe it. Of course you saying about not believing our country's agencies does not bother me, but our incoming President is a different story. You cannot discuss this subject without mentioning whether Trump won or not. He won..not the point. Never was. This is not political yet, that seems to be your thrust. As to the timing you also mentioned in your first post...I wonder what the reaction would have been if Obama had done anything right before the election...outrage I suspect. You, and your ilk make every conversation involving these rethinks about Obama and Clinton. I fault Obama for many things, but this might be the first time in history we have 2 working "presidents". As you clearly stated, as has Trump, you are not confident about our own country...Putin, being smart plays the game and plays to Trump. People on this forum keep talking about ...gee, he is not even president yet...then why the hell doesn't he shut up and support his country. Breitbart featured 7 things they complain Obama is doing to Trump...all of them get featured on this forum, almost word for word. This is how you began your response on this thread "Wow given the animosity toward Trump coming from Obama and his band of merry men and women. and given the lame street media's penchant for fake news, hyperbole, misinformation, bias its difficult to ferret out anything from Washington and news." What does that mean other than you are simply casting doubt on anything Russia did....the "lame" street media has never been guilty of fake news....this happened. Again, responding to the OP, I stand behind my concern. Russia is a thug country, and considered as such by the world. Because Trump likes them, you guys on here find it difficult to tell it like it is. Let's do what your idol Trump said...come together as a country. Thus far, he and you folks on here simply cheer for Russia, degrade all our institutions, including the press...rising the National Enquirer into normal news......not much of pulling people together...I think for Trump he finds it impossible UNLESS it is ALL about and only him Sorry for going on, but simply tired of every thread being turned into a vas Obama, bash Clinton affair(Clinton bashing at this point makes no logical sense). It is tough to talk about real concerns because you guys will turn it so you can attack anyone but Trump..who has become our co President. If you respond, you will simply continue the same dialogue...all American institutions are bad, because strictly of Obama, and although Clinton is nothing at all, you will stick her in somewhere. If Trump Foundation, which is a total fraud comes up, you people twist it to Clinton. You are truely amazing, and have become hard core extremist flying the alt right flag. I am probably the dumb guy, but I concur with the OP...I AM greatly concerned about Trump and Putin, made worse because I believe n my heart he owes millions, maybe billions to that country and its banks |
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Trumps lies etc just go completely un responded to. It stuns me that lying is terrible if you have a certain alpha n your voter registration, but compulsive habitual lying and deceiving is acceptable if they have another alpha on that card. Recall the outcry for press conferences ? Yeah, nothing now ..fact our not President yet , yesterday mocked networks and said the ONLY network that "gets it" relative to Russia is Fox. |
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I am concerned about an outgoing president who is not living up to the tradition and respect of passing the baton to the next administration. Clinton people acted childish and created mayhem when they left. George W response was to stay quiet and make the transition seamless and never spoke a word against Obama even when Obama was dragging his name through the mud. Now we are witnessing the emperor's temper and nastiness in demeaning the president-elect to delegitimatize him, pushing through much regulations which he knows is going to be repealed and intentionally provoking Israel and moving on Russia now when he sat back for 8 years and did nothing. all to shore up his failed legacy. You seem to fault me for the lack of credibility of DOJ< FBI< CIA< IRS, etc but you fail to mention that it has been their partisan actions that have created this mess, not me. As an American you should have been very concerned about the state of this nation under the stewardship of Obama For the last 8 years all conservatives heard was Obama got elected live with it. Ever since the election results progressives have been shouting from the roof tops the election was rigged. and so conservatives respond with but Trump got elected even after the recounts you demanded and progressives vicious attacks on members of the Electoral college and so with the intent of moving on conservative simply remind progressives that Trump won live with it Truly I had to think about Obama and Clinton during the election but believed once Trump won I would not have to think upon them no more. but they continue to demand attention the latest progressive canard is that there is only one president implying that Trump is already asserting his authority as if he was pushing Obama out of his chair. But the truth is if Obama had any class and really cared about this nation he would be spending his last days working with Trump for an uneventful transition of power but instead he forces Trump's hand with his childish mayhem Obama, his Administration and agency heads played and continue to play partisan politics. Given that scenario how does one such as me not respond with a political tone. I am as concerned and I love my nation as much as I suspect you do that I believe we do have in common. Personal Best Regards: |
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It was embarrassing enough that he says he "knows more about ISIS than even the generals...trust me" and his worshipers actually bought it...but it's going to get a LOT worse. Trump says he doesn'''t trust computers as he rings in 2017 First he says... Quote:
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I mean for cripes sake, are people really so stupid as to refuse to see how Putin is playing Trump as a fool? Trump's inability to tell the truth, admit that he doesn't know something and constant narcissism was simply humorous when he was a private citizen, but he is now the leader of the greatest nation on earth and yet his cult followers...refuse to acknowledge what is going on. I am continually amazed at the excuses from the Trump cultists, on his bizarre and woefully inappropriate actions...and their acceptance of such. THAT is the scariest part of this whole charade. :( Quote:
I will have a problem however, when it's found out that he's doing it so as to hide his overseas business dealings (mostly with Russia) in private. By courier of course. :ohdear: |
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I like Israel too. I don't hate and love who Obama directs me to. |
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You (like so many others) have lost your right...to call yourself a 'Patriotic American.' How does it feel to now be a....Communist Supporter? :ohdear: |
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Happy New Year |
No problem.
Trump now says "I know things", and that we will know next weeks.....his words. Same guy who has promised so much and just forgot about it...recall that upcoming press conference on his wife's status. His irresponsibility is stunning. Relax.....he knows things. If this was in a movie, you would doubt it. "I know things" |
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Not much concern on your part EXCEPT for Obama and Clinton and not much else. You have become adept I must say at insuring your post move entirely in one direction, no matter the subject. While you express no concern, I still have concerns about this subject, if you recall what it was. |
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And would it be a bad thing if the US and Russia actually got along? You know we have been getting along pretty well until the last few years. Even Hillary did a better job than John Kerry did in this area. |
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As President Obama said in his last press conference regarding Putin "Ronald Reagan would roll over in his grave". |
For those of you who believe that Russia has hacked into our cyber system and has infiltrated our country, why are you not happy to see the administration that has allowed this to happen on the way out?
Maybe, 20 days from now, we'll have a government that knows how to protect us. Or is this somehow not the fault of this administration? Maybe the republicans are at fault. What I know is that this kind of thing never happened under President Bush or President Clinton. Say what you will about President Bush, but we had no more terrorist attacks under him after 9/11. We've had several under this president and now it may be that the Russians have hacked into our cyber system. I think that President-Elect Trump is simply waiting to get into office to deal with this issue. He knows that there is nothing he can do now and commenting on it could make things worse. Once he is sworn in, he can begin to clean up the mess made by Obama, Kerry and company. |
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Here we go again. Do you not realize how stupid it is to say "we had no more terrorist attacks under Bush after 9/11"? We had no more mass drownings, other than the 1800 during Katrina, during Bush's tenure. We never invaded the wrong country again after Iraq. |
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Diversity is good, only for those receiving the quota. |
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The real question is this: Why do YOU not want a full and transparent investigation? |
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No more voting. No more positions of responsibility. You had your chance and you blew it Since the civil rights acts of the 60s that gave you equality...even propped you up above men with mandatory quotas...you've failed. We've gone from #1 to #25 with you as an "equal" partner. It's time to go back to what WORKS. White men, the men who BUILT western civilization, who BUILT America...time to put them back in charge. |
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Let's say that Putin did hack the DNC to interfere with our election process. It does not automatically mean Trump did anything. Trump could be a pedestrian who became a beneficiary without involvement because Putin did the deed not to reward Trump but to punish Obama and Clinton for their past sins against him. Trump may not be many things but he is an aggressive independent minded thinker that always wants to be top dog. So believe what you will but his past history says he goes for the jugular when necessary. Also ask yourself did you believe Putin's response to Obama feeble retaliation against him was smart or not? come on be honest. All Trump did is say to Putin well played. I have acknowledged the same to my opponents it doesn't mean anything other than that. Personal Best Regards: |
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Now Trump is saying he knows things that no one else knows, apparently that includes the president. Trump won't be making the decisions on whether to have a full and transparent investigation. That will be the republican led congress, starting Thursday when Senator McCain's Armed Services Committee has its first hearing. |
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Keep in mind that the only reason that this is such a public discussion at present is because of Trump daily saying he does not believe the election was hacked. 2. Despite your defense offered that Trump did nothing, I never heard any one say he did, so not sure what that defense is all about. I assure you of two things..... First.....you imply that only progressive want an investigation, and again after Jan 20.... I suggest that all Americans regardless of party or any affiliation would want an investigation, and especially since the only objector is our new President. Secondly....whatever Trump was alluding to with his childish comment about "knowing things nobody else knows" you can rest assured that anything he is alluding to is for HIS benefit. Of that I am sure. Most President elects would have supported our county's intelligence community publicly to make a stand, and then kept quiet. Making this a public twitter generated war of words is self serving, unnecessary, and has only a motive known to Trump.. Amazing how Trump interjects Trump into everything, and finds it challenging to support our country' s various agencies. |
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