Affordable Care Act
 

I'm a Democrat, and compared to many of you I'm quite liberal in my political thought. I'm proud of that.

Now I know that most Republicans don't agree with my politics, but that doesn't make them stupid, mean, or self-centered. It just makes them different, and, in my opinion, wrong. Hooray for open and respectful political discourse, which has become so hard to find in America today where we treat our political party like our favorite sports team, and winning is the only objective.

So go ahead and call me a libtard, moron, Communist, wussy, or whatever you wish, but know that when you do I simply laugh at the inability of some of you to argue with facts so you resort to name calling.

MY POINT: I am concerned about vast numbers of Americans losing health insurance coverage and I suspect that many Republicans are as well. To repeal the ACA without a clear, detailed, and workable alternative to implement immediately is simply politics rather than good policy. The GOP will own that. Forget about the name "Obamacare" that inflames so many critics of the President, and just read some facts in the article below about the ACA. Thanks!

Republicans call Obamacare a 'failure.' These 7 charts show they couldn't be more wrong - LA Times

Obama Care is the perfect example of politics and not good policy.

As was stated many times before the ram job (Obama care), there was a system tha t worked for most people.

What was needed was to fix or add to the existing system that which corrected ar added value to fill needs not well attended by the current system.

All tha is wrong with Obama care and the resulting twistng and turning and increasing costs were all predicted/forecast to come. And indeed now the inadequacies and the spiraling costs are occurring just as predicted on the time table predicted.

The only reason....THE ONLY REASON....Obama care was creayed was to satisfy Obama's need to show he did something. Some of us remember all too well the direction he gave to Pelosi.......just get me something I can sign. And we all remember the back room deals.......and who will ever forget Pelosi encouraging the legislation to be approved "...so we can see what is in it...".

Obama's political need was the ptiority, not the need of we the people.

There is no mystery what so ever.

Question:

Were you just as concerned about the millions that lost their health care coverage because of ObieCare? If not, then you shouldn't now either because the new program will take care of more folks and still get the cost down. Something that was not considered in rushing through ObieCare.

Question:

What new program?

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ACA : An unfair attack by the Dems on the Blue Collar and Middle Class hard working families .

" If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance ".
" If you like your Dr. you can keep your Dr. "
" Every family will enjoy a reduction in premiums of about $2,500 per year " .

Private and Free enterprise, and opening up the restrictions that prevented the sale of insurance over state lines.

ONLY white people get treated because only white lives matter.

After six years of trying to repeal Obamacare, the republicans have no plan, but 'some ideas' according to Speaker Ryan. The interesting thing is they can repeal it with only 51 votes, but it will take 60 votes to replace it. Where do they think the will get those eight votes to pass a replacement, certainly not from the democrat side of the aisle.

As Joe Biden said recently, 'go ahead repeal Obamacare. We double dog dare you'.

I'm a moderately conservative republican and I agree. The ACA cannot simply be repealed all at once. It needs to be done in stages and it needs to be replaced with something that will actually work. As far as people losing their healthcare coverage, those who now have it, will have it for at least the next year. So it's not like the law will be repealed and suddenly 20 million people will not have coverage.

The ACA does not provide coverage anyway it only provides a means to get coverage, mandates that everyone have coverage and subsidizes some people that can't afford coverage. I don't know how many of the 20 million that were added are subsidized, but I do believe that there are a lot of people that got insurance because it was mandated. Those people will be able to drop their coverage.

For those who cannot afford coverage, we still have Medicaid. What's wrong with simply expanding that program?

A lot of people whose premiums have increased from 20% to 120% might be relieved to be able to drop their coverage.

I think that you're right. It shouldn't be called Obamacare. A more appropriate name would be the Pelosi-Reid medical folly.

There's NO WAY to cover 50 million...yes the real number...without everyone else's rates going up. THAT is why they had to vote for it before learning what was in it!

They had NO coverage a few years ago...now they have no coverage again...what's the big deal?

Not true . For decades the underclass received free health care at the local ER of their community hospital .

All the ACC did was to shift the burden onto backs of the working Blue Collar and Middle Class segments .

That`s why the Chief Justice ruled that the ACC required insurance fees were a " Tax " . And went on to say that the Fed Gvt has the right to impose taxes .

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There are 33 million still without insurance. Most of the Obamacare recipients that signed up were the ones that lost their private insurance when Obamacare was passed. Today, the left if bragging about all those folks that are currently signing up for ObieCare. I bet they are not that stupid to think that these folks are worried about paying a INCOME TAX RETURN fine and had to sign up real fast. Do you think that anyone is going to pay after they sign up? Ha, ha, ha, ha. When the left pushed Obiecare in 2009 there were about 45 million that did not have insurance. How many even wanted insurance? The rich don't because they get less quality service than they can get if they pay cash. Why should they sign up? The young don't care because they don't need it. The poor don't care because they have Medicaid. No, nobody wanted it but the left NEEDED it to redistribute the wealth and they needed to try to add to the slush fund. So, they stole almost a trillion bucks from Medicare to subsidize Obiecare and now in 2017, this year all H3ll is going to break loose because of the failure of Obiecare. None of this needed to happen, but the left insists on being everyone's nanny whether asked or not.

Dear Guest:

Obamacare was engineered to fail because the intention all along was to go to a single payer plan meaning the government had total control over your health care needs. The government has repeatedly shown it is incapable and should not be allowed to choose winners and losers . As to healthcare two words come to mind VETERAN ADMINISTRATION

Obamacare was a partisan decision and done in haste. And when you implement in haste you end up repenting in leisure.

The government had the means to deal only with those uninsured there was no need to invent ACA. Now the entire health care/insurance/patient community is stuck with a dud.

There are sensible and easy solutions to get us out of this mess. The real problem are bickering politicians while Rome burns

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Good post

You know better .

Suspect most of the posters on this forum whom are very critical of Obama and the ACA are themselves having their medical care provided by tax payers, at a cost much more than they paid in. The problem is not ACA, that is only letting those less fortunate than us have a chance at some kind of preventive health care or even seeing a doctor, something taken for granted by many. Regardless of what some may think there is nothing Trump or republicans in house can do to replace it with "something better" other than actually cutting the cost of care or let poor go without care. You know they don't have the courage to address the former so what is left? I've been a conservative republican all my voting life but on this issue I guess I'm what this forum calls a libtard. The only way to get the obscene profit, shareholder return, lawyers, etc. out of medicine is single payer like Medicare and VA. If you look at CEO's of all sectors of medical industry and not a one help anyone with an illness, 100% shareholder value at the expense of sick people. It is said we have the best healthcare in the world, but only if someone else is paying for it. IMO

Only in your liberal induced fantasy. No one will convince you of the truth. It takes experts and lots of time to reeducate and de-brainwash people like you. Not worth the effort. You are not dangerous, just naive.

Now that republicans will soon have total power, they are like the dog that caught the bus...they don't know what to do with it. They can tear it down, but they can't rebuild it.

For at least the next two years the senate is R's-52, D's-48. Any plan to replace the ACA would require 60 votes. How many think any plan would get any democratic votes? Pretty slim chance, just like the chances of any supreme court justice getting approved with 60 votes.

Maybe they Dems will not vote for a replacement...so millions of poor and needy people will not have any health insurance because the Dems are showing those Repubs...but most likely my premiums will not be going up 33% a year like they have been! (And I have not been to the doctor for anything other than a check up here or there, and it shows I am healthy)

The poor and needy will know who repealed the ACA, democrats will make sure of that.

Yeah Jan - that will definitely make the poor and needy feel better... that is your concern, I see.

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For those of you who don't know.... it seems like most of you don't The act was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation... a Conservative Republican think tank. This bill was a compromise to get something done for the millions who don't have insurance. Why are there so many problems? First the "Republican" controlled congress did not fund the program as promised, Second, many states like Florida did not opt into the program causing Floridians higher costs, Third...Republicans would not approve a plan that was not controlled by the insurance industry so they control the costs. Third largest lobby in America pumping $$ into the pockets of our representatives.
Make America Great Again.... hardly .... you elected the same money mogers who are the heart of the problem and added the biggest blunder in Trump. We got what we deserved because we at too stupid to know what the real facts are. The con-man, carnival barker extreme duped us all.

So you personally know people who actually feel that they are benefiting from Obama- Care ? Oh yeah --- I mean the ACA .

I only know people who are much worse off under this so called system .

What difference will it make? They don't vote!

Healthcare a problem with no easy solution
 

Sadly people must be forced to be RESPONSIBLE.

A young HEALTHY person decides hey I am healthy I would rather spend that money on a new car, nice vacation a stock market investment etc. We all have other things to spend the thousands that healthcare insurance costs.

So back to that healthy person. He is in an auto accident
does he scream help me or does he scream I have no insurance so take me dead or alive to the garbage dump.
Of course they will take him to the hospital. Since he does not have insurance, most likely he will not pay the hospital. WHO WILL PAY? YOU WILL PAY. Part of the reason why healthcare is so expensive-IS THAT YOU PAY FOR ALL WHO DO NOT.

Eighty percent of all health care is paid for by either the government or by insurance. The entire system is crazy.
The insurance company or the government tells you what the proper care is. They tell the provider what he can charge. If, you were to consider not having insurance AND SELF INSURING-you take the risk and you pay the bill should medical care be necessary, SHOULD YOU NEED CARE YOU WILL BE BILLED ROUGHLY TWICE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATE INSURANCE PAYS.

ALSO-there is nothing else you buy besides medical care where you do not ask the price or to ask to see previous JOBS he has done.

Your blaming trump
 

WAKE UP OH POOR HYPNOTIZED LIBERAL AND SEE THE REAL WORLD. TRUMP IS NOT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS.
For Obama;s LEGACY. Obama has successfully fanned embers of racial conflict into forest fires, Obama has turned SELF RELIANCE into I would just as soon sit home and leach off people who work and in my case people who have SAVED for their future, Obama has turned SUCCESS into something evil replaced by HIS you owe meeeeeeee, giiiiiiimmmmmmmmeeeeeeeee

OBAMA-WHO YOU SURELY VOTED FOR GOT ALL OF US HERE. CAN TRUMP CORRECT ALL THAT OBAMA HAS DONE PROBABLY NOT.
Obama has not only screwed the UNITED STATES, he has screwed Israel, he tried to screw ENGLAND and now he wants to screw with RUSSIA. We need RUSSIA and they need us. China and North Korea are both expanding their military will it be resolved diplomatically or by war? A SANE LEADER WOULD WANT RUSSIA ON OUR SIDE. BAMA-will not only leave a TEN TRILLION DOLLAR UNPAID BILL ON THE DESK BUT TO BE SURE HE CAN SCREW UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE HE WANTS TO START TROUBLE WITH RUSSIA.

I don't know where you get your information but you are wrong about it originating by conservatives. It was not written by ANY conservative. If you are suggesting that a conservative may have thought about a gov sponsored health care system, then big deal. Don't try to pawn this crap off on us. This is totally owned by the left. And they also get credit for it's failure.

Pelosi thought she was being smart when she said that if the Republicans "break it they own it." The fact is that it is already broken and needs to be thrown in the dumpster and replaced with something that works. Kind of like if you move the ObieCare trash out of the road, the traffic will move through without a problem.

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Apparently you do not know what you are speaking about. Liberal talking points should be fact checked before repeating them.

First off, if you pay cash at a hospital you will pay less than insurance is charged. That's a fact, because it is negotiable. So, you are wrong.

Don't try to suggest that it is anyone's responsibility to participate in order to bring your insurance down. If you are that needy perhaps you should move to a socialist country where you can be taken care of. It is not our responsibility to pay your way.

Yes, the left is a nasty bunch of petulant losers. You are finally right about something.

And everyone already knows that it is the Democrats that mandated that they purchase something that they may not have wanted.......against their will. Or, be punished with a fine. Why do you think that there is an influx of people signing up for ObieCare this close to tax time? Because they don't want to pay the fine. And do you think they will continue to pay their premiums after they do their taxes? Nope.

The reason for the mandate was already explained to you and your ilk...but apparently you're too dumb to have understood. :oops:

Young people were getting a free ride through emergency rooms...so now they simply pay their fair share.

Republicans had decades to come up with something similar to ACA, but never saw it as a big deal...since it was just the poor mostly affected.

Now they're gonna find out that repealing it, without having a viable replacement immediately...will be a REALLY BIG big deal on their future.

The dog caught the bus...now let's see what it does.

I can't wait to watch. :popcorn:

And we already told you that we are not interested in supporting you needy people in America. It is not our responsibility to make things easier for you, just because you can't hack it in real life. This is a FREE country and making someone purchase something is not being FREE. Quit your bit*hing and crying and grow TFU!

Your program FAILED and is costing AMERICA and it's citizens too much. We were better off before ObieCare. You blind libtards will never get it. Just too naive to understand that we are not here to support you. Perhaps we should legalize post-natal abortion to get rid of the lazy.

Seeing we are both guest you should be able to tell me how much you are paying for health insurance, or might the tax payers be carrying you?

What are you talking about? I see you as Paper1. Is this a new moniker? Since I know who you used to be.

Liberals are women and minorities, NEITHER can compete equally with white men...hence the NEED for quotas.

You'll never get through to them...they live in a land called denial.

Seeing how we are all guests here...the polite thing to do is share your health insurance costs along with weather or not your paying for it, and then ask if anyone else would like to share theirs.

That poster is just a wannabe troll. Not even a very good one. People like that think that they are fooling someone by changing their ID.

I agree. Forget the term Obamacare. Never had a good ring to it. Now Trumpcare sounds better. Can't wait to see what that is.

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