this is repubs trickle-down economics
 

"Kansas governor's budget fix: Higher taxes, tobacco funds"

I've got a better one... Welfare ends next month.

Including corporate welfare in the form of huge tax breaks for profitable corporations that don't need it?

What part of rich hire workers, produce real jobs don't you get? What part of you, the stock holder via your pension being the recipient of profitable business don't you get? What part of more spending and investing equals higher tax revenues do you not get?

I'll make it real easy. One person paying a hundred grand a year in taxes is not as good as that person employing ten people paying ten thousand a year in taxes, and him getting a tax break and paying less than a hundred grand. The Federal tax revenue might be equal, but the economy does not thrive/grow.

Of course. The tax laws were written by them...for them.

The income tax pays for the $600 billion a year in interest on the $20 trillion federal debt.

How much of the interest has been paid in the last 8 years?



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My problem with government (and far too many other entities for that matter) is the total and complete lack of understanding of the budgeting process.

Why is the answer always to raise or add a new tax to accomodate a proposed budget?

When is the last time anyone actually looked at the proposed budget?
Compared the actual expenditures to the proposed budget for the previous year?
Why is the practice of zero based budgeting not made a standard practice?

I gurantee a a zero based budget approach, line item by line item will yield substantial opportunities for reductions.
If it has never been done, I GUARANTEE THERE ARE REDUCTION opportunities.

To many budget proposal processes allow for the automatic continuation of programs from previous years.....whether active or not. Too many allow that as long as the funds are in the budget it is their "check book" balance to spend....VS reconciling aginst what the approved amount was approved.

Budgeting is a game. Politicians, lawyers and most business entities are far too lenient with the budgeting process.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SOURCE OF THE FUNDING IS OF NO CONCERN OR CONSEQUENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because it very seldom works.

Having spent a good portion of my career developing and managing very large expense & capital budgets...we went through a short phase of 'zero-based budgeting.'

Even making the huge effort of breaking down individual functions, the documented hours for each function, applying actual hourly (including burden & benefits)/material/equipment costs and using hard previous years data to prove the quantity of those functions I identified...it came down to "our profit goal for next year will not allow the budget you're requesting." :oops:



Of course there are opportunities to decrease spending.

It all boils down to...whose Ox is getting gored.

What I think is wasteful and superfluous, will not be what you think is...so who gets to make that choice?

Especially in the public/political arena, so compromises are made and everyone gets a little...and loses a lot.

If I were Governor of a state and was given full, final and autonomous authority over the budget...I guarantee I could quickly balance it. :ho:

I can also guarantee that given you are such a simpleton, you would be squealing and screeching...about what I cut. :D

Oh well, I can only fantasize of seeing your bloated & enraged face...when that occurred. :1rotfl:

What a dummy. You don't even know who your are responding to. If you are going to attempt to put an ID to the post, you should attempt to get it right so you don't appear to be sooo stupid. WHat a retard! ...:a20:

What a retard? What kind of person speaks like that? I mean one who is over the age of 12.

Gotta take up for your sister? Very admirable, if not naive.

MD suffers from CPD. Compulsive Posting Disorder. It appears to cloud his reasoning and maturity. MDLNB is now MDCPD.

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Say what? :wave:

Wow you make it so simple. I guess that makes you a simoleton.

If you are going to make a limp wristed attempt to insert an ID into the post that you are replying to, at least try not to look so stupid by putting the WRONG ID in it. Wow, you are losing it. You can change my ID spelling all you wish, but you only look stupid when you are not even responding to my comment. You don't even git it, dummy.

Wow David, I guess that makes you what? for not understanding it?

Tell me how Obamas tax program has helped the economy. Oh, and don't forget to explain the GDP growth, or lack of it to me. Because Obama is the ONLY president in history to not achieve a 3% GDP average growth rate in one year of his two terms of office. That my friend, is failure.

Your post was okay untill the last 2 paragraphs and then you morphed into a radical repub. I think you can do better than that! Are you trying to imitate trump?

You obviously haven't seen many of my posts. :oops:

Actually, my cuts would be to every and all corporate welfare/subsidies, business tax exemptions and taxpayer money used to lure multi-billion dollar businesses (who don't need them)...while helping those who are less fortunate and need it the most.

Do you really think that sounds like Chump? :shrug:

Good thing your not running anything, but your keyboard...

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For a minute I thought there was going to be a civil discussion then you had to go and :censored: it up with the :censored: name calling.

You are obviously incapable of carrying on a cogent conversation without faaling into the slime mode. And oh by the way try to get the :censored: name right while you are at it.

Must be self gratification. Why else would someone feel the obligation to constantly be a :censored:?

End result; not worth engaging.

Maybe you should look who put stumbling blocks ever time he tried to do something. The repubs announced when he took office that as long as they could breath they would block all his efferts.

The corporation I worked for utilized zero base budgeting and it worked very well. Our industry was heavily regulated and so we had to be accurate or be penalized.

We kept a close watch on budgets. All budgeted items ,personnel, equipment, compensation, benefits salary increases, promotions ,etc had to be accompanied with a written rationale to validate need/ merit. We did an in depth retrospective review every August followed by a projection through year end.

There is so much redundacy in the congressional budgets that they could skip a budget year and no one would notice. In addition there are so many obsolete and forgotten programs that continued to be funded that I'd wager if a cracker jack CPA was hired just to route them out s/he would have a lifetime job and probably reduce this nations expenses by 25% a year.

Congress is dealing with other peoples money so they could care less. Also they live in a self contained world and have no idea of the real problems everyday Americans face. The political class is today's aristocracy and when it comes to taxpayers, "let them eat cake"

Personal Best Regards:

Don't forget that the Repub's actually stated that their primary agenda...was to ensure that Obama was a one-term President.

They then tried to block/stop... EVERY SINGLE THING OBAMA ATTEMPTED TO DO.

And here it is, straight from McConnell's mouth, so Repub's can't lie about it being misconstrued...by the 'mainstream media.' :wave:




And yet, Trump cultists are now whining...that the Dem's won't just roll over? :oops:


That's some first class...and serious hypocrisy. :ohdear:

Once again, you're clueless and just writing (with the hope that someone will believe you)...just to be writing something. :oops:

Do you even have a clue as to the definition of 'discretionary spending'...or what percentage of the budget it comprises?

Here, let me TRY and educate you. :ohdear:

US Federal Budget FY17 Estimated Spending Breakdown - Pie Chart

http://chart.googleapis.com/chart?ch...ts=606060,18,c


Now tell us, how do you get to that 25% you just bragged (actually lied) about? :D

And for once, try to provide links to prove your statement... ;)


C'mon, don't be shy...go ahead and prove it.

:popcorn:

Obviously when (unt claims there is waste in government spending - there is. But until late then every dime spent was necessary. Thank goodness she is only in charge of her keyboard...Trump will cut costs in f35 and airforce 1...Obamma and (unt felt it was just fine...

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Well Davie, I guess Obie is just not much of a leader, if he can't lead his own troops. Then again, how could he understand leadership if he thinks he can lead from behind. Where I come from, that's called FOLLOWING. So, if he is following how is he going to steer, controlling the direction?

To tell you the truth, I can't really blame Obie. After all, he has never held a management job or ever had any leadership training. Seriously, he was way in over his head and would not admit it and had no one to tell him. He only wanted people working for him that were "yes sir" types.

He'll see a leader now. I'm sure that Trump has that part down pat.

You simply do not know what you are saying
 

THE FACTS-our corporate taxes are among the highest in the world.
Your view the tax the rich, increase corporate taxes. Is YOU thoughtlessly PARROTING what the democratic PROPAGANDA MACHINE is feeding you.
A corporation is simply a form of business to raise capital.
The owners are the stock holders. YOU surely own stocks although you may not even know it. If, you have a pension, a medical plan, a 401K, a 403B, a roth IRA, a regular IRA it is invested in stocks. YOU ARE ONE OF THE EVIL STOCK OWNERS. Due to our higher corporate taxes many AMERICAN CORPORATIONS have bought foreign companies so that they can move operations out of our country and pay lower taxes. TAX BENEFITS? Are you not aware that to temp FOREIGN OWNED COMPANIES-CORPORATIONS-TO SET UP FACTORIES HERE WE GIVE THEM TAX BREAKS-TO USE YOUR TERM CORPORATE WELFARE-MY ADDITIONS-PAID TO FOREIGN OWNED COMPANIES.

DON'T NEED IT-is a socialist/communist view. From each according to his ability to each according to his need. It is actually a nice idea BUT, YOU ONLY NEED TO LOOK AT EAST GERMANY VS WEST GERMANY or the recent GREEK FIASCO to see that it simply does not work.

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The roles are reversed almost exactly. For his first two years the DEMOCRATS controlled not on the presidency but BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS. Obama and his democratic followers tried to blame the previous administration=the republicans-and the minority party-the republicans, for all the evils in the world. It was not until the democrats LOST the majority control when Obama and the democrats said hey guys we need to work together.
THE REPUBLICANS REMEMBER HOW BADLY OBAMA HAD TREATED THEM.

HISTORY-When Bush took office his first act as president was to invite the democratic leader KENNEDY for a meeting to discuss COMMON GOALS. They both agreed we needed to improve EDUCATION. The result was a BIPARTISAN BILL creating no child left behind. OBAMA'S FIRST ACT AS PRESIDENT WAS TO BLAME THE REPUBLICANS FOR ALL THE EVIL IN THE WORLD. We've all had bosses like OBAMA. I would like to believe, I GOT HIM FIRED. I OF COURSE KNOW THERE WERE OTHERS AS WELL. OH, IT DID NOT TAKE 8 YEARS TO GET RID OF HIM.

Why do you lie so much?

Have you ever bothered to do your own research, instead of automatically believing...whatever Faux News tells you? :oops:

Do you even know what 'effective rate' means? :popcorn:

Does the U.S. have the highest corporate tax rate in the free world? | PunditFact

BTW, that was a rhetorical Faux News question as it is extremely obvious...that you are so gullible when it comes to the truth. :D

You "improve" education by NOT lowering the standards so any "special needs" or minority can pass. You "improve" it by RAISING the standards. If only white men can pass...so be it.

"No child left behind" really means...we lowered the standards so much even a monkey can "pass"...even women and minorities can "pass".

For a minute it seemed like there was going to be a legitimate discussion.

But then out comes the signature name calling/bashing/sniping/disrestful discourse....tarnishing any credibility that may have been included.

Coming from someone who has no problem with and has never spoken out toward those on 'your side' who constantly use the 'N' word, 'C' word and 'tard'...I think maybe you're in the lead for 'Biggest Flaming Hypocrite.' :oops:


Good job! :eclipsee_gold_cup:

It is obvious from your response you are somehow assigning post to me that I have not made. I have at no time ever used the terminology accused above.

Your so called all knowledgeable act of being ware of who posts what is apparently flawed.

I am sick and tired of your categorization and crude/rude remarks and snipes based on ICORRECTLY assigned interactions you have me crossed with.

So cut the BS with the wrong name agitation. And go back and review how you, erroneously, assign post responsibility and have the balls to procede to chastise one for your incorrect assignment.

Dear Guest:

I may not always be right but I am always polite.

I have to admit I was quite surprised that you would produce government statistics to make your point. I mean these are the same people who told us Obamacare would drive down both medical and insurance costs.

You apparently do not closely follow the budgeting process in Washington and you certainly do not know the hearts of men when it comes to budgeting and their ability to game play.

Once again there is too much redundancy in their budgeting and obsolete programs continue to be funded some stretching back to the 1800's .

No, your point, isn't to argue the facts of this case. Your entire point is to say "I am right and Rubicon is wrong and whatever ridiculous label you wish to assign me".


I made a good faith effort to put away this sort of nonsense by you aside and declared, sometime ago, in front of GOD and this membership that you are always right and I am always wrong. I did so because my ego can withstand such an affirmation.

Although I do wonder why and what pleasure you get out of playing one up-manship? How does one come to understand ?

Personal Best Regards:

PBR, why bother? CNM is a proven TROLL. I allowed myself to fall into the gutter with CNM and its fellow mini-trolls and as a post New Year resolution will attempt to ignore them, or at the very least try to respond civilly. I will take your example as a model for civil discussion. Lets see if CNM and Hipo, etc will do the same. Personally, I doubt it. Internet Trolls are not about civil, but to agitate uncontrolled anger to make their view to look acceptable. I will still be highly critical of the left's ideology and practices. But, I will try not to make personal attacks in response to theirs. You sir, should be applauded for your civility, as you are probably the ONLY one to remain so in this forum. :clap2:

BTK, you weren't accused of using the terminology, reread the post. The point is that you criticize others while turning a blind eye to the tripe your compadres put out there.

BTW, your posts are all identifiable. So no mistake there.



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My comments regarding the continuous ongloing PERSONAL slandering still stands.

As far as all posts being identified, I don't know how as all I ever see is guest. The only use I have for one ID or another VS guest is being able to sort iterations.....which to ignore....

Agitation for the sake of agitation is plain disrespectful BS from a coward hiding behind the keyboard.

When you respond, before you respond scroll down from the reply window and read the latest comments. You will see the ID of the past few posters. It helps to go through the conversation so that you have an idea of how to sort through the many divergent discussions in the thread.
Personally, I see no need for the posters to put your ID in the quote, which they do manually, but that is their prerogative if it makes them feel better. You are not really anonymous on here. The "guest" label for viewing comments is really useless. It does not hide anyone, so if you wish to truly be anonymous, you are in the wrong place. But like crooked Hitlery famously stated "what difference does it make?"

Gosh, it's such a simple concept.

It was clearly written, left no ambiguity as to what I was talking about regarding me being picked out while he was moot on others doing worse (but just happen to be on his 'side) and you easily understood and comprehended correctly...so why is it so hard for 'him/they' to do the same? :oops:

Methinks this is a perfect example of why so many Trump cultists refuse to actually research and are totally uninterested in knowing the actual facts and instead just accept...whatever lies they're told by the people/organizations that they choose to believe. :ohdear:





Yep, I knew exactly to whom I was speaking. :D

:1rotfl:

Classic RubiTheCon soapbox rant, lacking of any substance/facts/citations/proof and instead is imploring others to..."just trust me, I know what I'm talking about." :ohdear:

If nothing else...you're at least consistent. :thumbup:


PS. Be careful patting yourself on the back so much...you might strain something. :D