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Sandtrap328 02-14-2017 09:20 PM

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The Republicans talked and talked about repealling Obamacare. They had 7 years to come up with a replacement plan. However, where is that plan now? It was all just talk.

If Obamacare is repealed without a new plan to kick in at the same time, you are going to be losing the pre-existing conditions prohibition, the annual free health assessment, and go back to the donut hole of Part D.

The Trumpanzee has been in office less than a month and his administration is now in a scandal with Russia. VP Pence is a clueless trained monkey. Get Speaker Ryan ready to take over!

Don Baldwin 02-14-2017 09:40 PM

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The Republicans talked and talked about repealling Obamacare. They had 7 years to come up with a replacement plan. However, where is that plan now? It was all just talk.

If Obamacare is repealed without a new plan to kick in at the same time, you are going to be losing the pre-existing conditions prohibition, the annual free health assessment, and go back to the donut hole of Part D.

The Trumpanzee has been in office less than a month and his administration is now in a scandal with Russia. VP Pence is a clueless trained monkey. Get Speaker Ryan ready to take over!

The "monkey" just left...

billethkid 02-14-2017 10:46 PM

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The Republicans talked and talked about repealling Obamacare. They had 7 years to come up with a replacement plan. However, where is that plan now? It was all just talk.

If Obamacare is repealed without a new plan to kick in at the same time, you are going to be losing the pre-existing conditions prohibition, the annual free health assessment, and go back to the donut hole of Part D.

The Trumpanzee has been in office less than a month and his administration is now in a scandal with Russia. VP Pence is a clueless trained monkey. Get Speaker Ryan ready to take over!

It is obvious they have a lot of the x-X-X kool aide left from the Clinton campaign and some have found where they keep it.
The verbiage coming from it's use still sounds the same!

ColdNoMore 02-15-2017 05:09 AM

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The Republicans talked and talked about repealling Obamacare. They had 7 years to come up with a replacement plan. However, where is that plan now? It was all just talk.

If Obamacare is repealed without a new plan to kick in at the same time, you are going to be losing the pre-existing conditions prohibition, the annual free health assessment, and go back to the donut hole of Part D.

The Trumpanzee has been in office less than a month and his administration is now in a scandal with Russia. VP Pence is a clueless trained monkey. Get Speaker Ryan ready to take over!

Yep! :D


It's going to be a bummer in one way though...when Chump slinks out.

The daily (almost hourly) chuckles of watching the most clueless POTUS in our entire history and his accompanying clown act going away...will actually be missed. :1rotfl:

But hey, sacrificing one of my guilty pleasures for the good of the country...is the least this patriot can do. :thumbup:


Deepest Sincere Wishes:. :wave:

rubicon 02-15-2017 05:28 AM

Repeal in haste repent in leisure.

If anyone believed that what Trump meant when he said repeal and replace was going to be done in a matter of minutes then s/he simply doesn't understand the complications involved in reversing the damage done by ACA.

Pelosi said "we have to pass it to know what's in it" Obama lied, and we know he lied when he said "you can keep.....
and here we have progressive actually laughing and passing judgment.

Progressives have done everything they can to resist and defame Trump but their strategy is failing.

Progressives belong to the party of hate ironic since they claim their love for inclusiveness.

Personal Best Regards:

Rosie1950 02-15-2017 08:00 AM

They'll be shouted off more stages, and that's by their people, poor Jason now he knows what it feels to be grabbed by the p-ssy and not even be kissed, instead of all this in fighting why don't they just fix what's wrong.

One policy they should be REALY proud of is letting coal mines dump sludge into nearby streams and rivers, who does that benefit? ANSWER: CEOs who already make big the bucks, no regulations for CLEAN WATER. NO FISH will DIE, I'd want to SWIM in that water, or EAT the FISH coming out of the streams and rivers!

WAY TO GO GOP!!!! GOOD JOB CAN'T WAIT FOR MID TERMS!!!!!

billethkid 02-15-2017 08:59 AM

All these Trump forecasts, coming from those who "knew" Trump didn't stand a chance in he11 of winning and spoke with certainty that Clinton was going to win!

MDLNB 02-15-2017 09:47 AM

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All these Trump forecasts, coming from those who "knew" Trump didn't stand a chance in he11 of winning and spoke with certainty that Clinton was going to win!


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ColdNoMore 02-15-2017 11:55 AM

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All these Trump forecasts, coming from those who "knew" Trump didn't stand a chance in he11 of winning and spoke with certainty that Clinton was going to win!

I readily admit, that I/we vastly underestimated the number of closet racists/bigots/misogynists/ignorant heathens...that would be voting for Chump. :shrug:

However, those of us that knew he was slime from the beginning...are being quickly vindicated. :D

Even we though, couldn't have guessed...how quickly we would be proved correct. :1rotfl:


Deepest Sincere Wishes:. :wave:

cologal 02-15-2017 01:12 PM

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It is obvious they have a lot of the x-X-X kool aide left from the Clinton campaign and some have found where they keep it.
The verbiage coming from it's use still sounds the same!

Perhaps you are confused....the Republicans have, for 8 years, being saying they would REPEAL AND REPLACE the Affordable Care Act. After the election they said they would do that day 1 of 2017! Well that didn't happen....why because, after 8 years, the Republicans can't agree on a replacement plan. But now they realize they can't repeal the law without a replacement because so many America's have health insurance because of this law.

Just the facts no spin and certainly no Kool Aide!

ColdNoMore 02-15-2017 01:19 PM

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Perhaps you are confused....the Republicans have, for 8 years, being saying they would REPEAL AND REPLACE the Affordable Care Act. After the election they said they would do that day 1 of 2017! Well that didn't happen....why because, after 8 years, the Republicans can't agree on a replacement plan. But now they realize they can't repeal the law without a replacement because so many America's have health insurance because of this law.

Just the facts no spin and certainly no Kool Aide!

Shhh, you're making the hypocritical idiots... feel bad. :D

MDLNB 02-15-2017 02:52 PM

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I readily admit, that I/we vastly underestimated the number of closet racists/bigots/misogynists/ignorant heathens...that would be voting for Chump. :shrug:

However, those of us that knew he was slime from the beginning...are being quickly vindicated. :D

Even we though, couldn't have guessed...how quickly we would be proved correct. :1rotfl:


Deepest Sincere Wishes:. :wave:


And yet the prime examples of your listed labels are Democrats. You really shouldn't throw stones from your weak position. I don't need to list all the deviants on the left. You know them. What a 'tard!

Sandtrap328 02-15-2017 03:47 PM

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And yet the prime examples of your listed labels are Democrats. You really shouldn't throw stones from your weak position. I don't need to list all the deviants on the left. You know them. What a 'tard!

MDLBQ, just take a deep breath and realize that liberals are inclusive and would even accept you as a convert.

Trump is on a different wave length than his administration. He today praised Flynn. Yesterday, Spicer said Trump had lost trust in Flynn. Trump definitely has mental issues that run from paranoid to delusional.

Come to the light, MDLBQ. You are welcome as long as you repent and renounce your idiot leader.

MDLNB 02-15-2017 04:02 PM

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MDLBQ, just take a deep breath and realize that liberals are inclusive and would even accept you as a convert.

Trump is on a different wave length than his administration. He today praised Flynn. Yesterday, Spicer said Trump had lost trust in Flynn. Trump definitely has mental issues that run from paranoid to delusional.

Come to the light, MDLBQ. You are welcome as long as you repent and renounce your idiot leader.

Sandy, you are pretty funny....really.

I AM a convert. I was a Democrat when I turned 18 and then converted shortly after. My Dad was a REAL Democrat from the old DemocratIC party. Before it went socialist. My dad would turn over in his grave to see what it is today. I was a Democrat in my first election, but ended up voting for more Republicans than Democrats so I converted. Now, I ONLY vote for Republicans or Independents. Once you start working for a living, it's a pretty easy choice.

cologal 02-15-2017 04:18 PM

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And yet the prime examples of your listed labels are Democrats. You really shouldn't throw stones from your weak position. I don't need to list all the deviants on the left. You know them. What a 'tard!

So give us some CURRENT DAY examples!

And don't bother with the laughable Obama is a racist!

I'll give you a low bar....2-3. Include examples of their racist behavior!

Paper1 02-15-2017 04:19 PM

To the Trump supporters whom really believed Obamacare was going to be replaced with something better and cheaper, those two descriptors don't go together. It is going to be Medicare for all or it is going to be rationing according to income. Americans are addicted to government spending and our congress hasn't had the courage to stop it. I personally believe the protests and rioting are just starting and will escalate with any spending reduction by Feds.

cologal 02-15-2017 04:24 PM

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Sandy, you are pretty funny....really.

I AM a convert. I was a Democrat when I turned 18 and then converted shortly after. My Dad was a REAL Democrat from the old DemocratIC party. Before it went socialist. My dad would turn over in his grave to see what it is today. I was a Democrat in my first election, but ended up voting for more Republicans than Democrats so I converted. Now, I ONLY vote for Republicans or Independents. Once you start working for a living, it's a pretty easy choice.

I worked all my life for a living and I vote for the best or in some cases the least worst candidate. I consider myself a Kennedy Democrat as that is when I was introduced to politics. I have voted for Republicans including Ronnie.

Not sure why you would claim the party is socialist....

Rosie1950 02-15-2017 05:00 PM

I wonder if he servers fries with his assBURGERS! LOL seriously something is wrong with the Chimp. If he were still in the jungle he would be dead! I don't know who brought him here?

cologal 02-15-2017 06:06 PM

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I wonder if he servers fries with his assBURGERS! LOL seriously something is wrong with the Chimp. If he were still in the jungle he would be dead! I don't know who brought him here?

You wouldn't be calling the former President of the United States a chimp now would you? And certainly you still don't believe Trump's lie that he was born in Kenya.

Cause if you did mean that we would have a first, wait second racist outed on Talk of the Villages!

MDLNB 02-15-2017 06:32 PM

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So give us some CURRENT DAY examples!

And don't bother with the laughable Obama is a racist!

I'll give you a low bar....2-3. Include examples of their racist behavior!

Hillary Clinton
Bill Clinton
Obama family
PeLugosi
Reid
Grayson
Schumer
Biden

According to your definition, all of them are racists. The list is pretty long if continued. According to the left, everyone is a racist that does not agree with them.

Don Baldwin 02-15-2017 08:44 PM

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You wouldn't be calling the former President of the United States a chimp now would you? And certainly you still don't believe Trump's lie that he was born in Kenya.

Cause if you did mean that we would have a first, wait second racist outed on Talk of the Villages!

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It's the only RATIONAL position to hold. I've yet to hear anyone really refure anything I've said. You THINK you are with opinion, but you have NO facts. No black villages, no black best school... THEY are becoming the majority...a VERY scary thought.

cologal 02-15-2017 10:04 PM

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Hillary Clinton
Bill Clinton
Obama family
PeLugosi
Reid
Grayson
Schumer
Biden

According to your definition, all of them are racists. The list is pretty long if continued. According to the left, everyone is a racist that does not agree with them.

Not by any definition of the word....its laughable!

cologal 02-15-2017 10:07 PM

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You say that like it's a bad thing.

It's the only RATIONAL position to hold. I've yet to hear anyone really refure anything I've said. You THINK you are with opinion, but you have NO facts. No black villages, no black best school... THEY are becoming the majority...a VERY scary thought.

Calling any human being a CHIMP? You think that is OK?

Not sure what you are ranting about black villages....

Don Baldwin 02-16-2017 06:16 AM

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Calling any human being a CHIMP? You think that is OK?

Not sure what you are ranting about black villages....

Who called a "human" a chimp? They called a "chimp" a chimp...they're not us...the proof is all around.

There is NO "black villages". There is no place full of blacks even CLOSE to the villages. It was to make a point that NOWHERE are they successful...like us.

graciegirl 02-16-2017 08:39 AM

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The Republicans talked and talked about repealling Obamacare. They had 7 years to come up with a replacement plan. However, where is that plan now? It was all just talk.

If Obamacare is repealed without a new plan to kick in at the same time, you are going to be losing the pre-existing conditions prohibition, the annual free health assessment, and go back to the donut hole of Part D.

The Trumpanzee has been in office less than a month and his administration is now in a scandal with Russia. VP Pence is a clueless trained monkey. Get Speaker Ryan ready to take over!

It wouldn't matter to you if the "Republicans" did everything just right and even in agreement with your so called beliefs. You just want to fight. OPEN YOUR MIND. Have some patience. Stop with the silly name.

The scandal that you speak of is manufactured by the biased press it seems to me. I see no wrong doing. Russia isn't the same Communist country it was when we were growing up.

The last thing most of us want is to have Speaker Ryan, the "old style very conservative Republican" in control We assuredly don't need all the foolish extreme left either.

cologal 02-16-2017 09:02 AM

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Who called a "human" a chimp? They called a "chimp" a chimp...they're not us...the proof is all around.

There is NO "black villages". There is no place full of blacks even CLOSE to the villages. It was to make a point that NOWHERE are they successful...like us.

Check the previous posts for the Chimp comment....

I think you would agree the all humans tend to seek the company of like minded others. I came here for the sun and GOLF. If you play golf, how many black golfers have you seen on golf courses? Its like the recent Grammy's Adele vs Beyonce both are excellent singers but I prefer Adele.

There are African Americans here in TV and I have played golf with some of them.

However, if you look at other sports whites are in the minority....does that mean we are not successful? Hardly?

To help with this:

Who get Medicaid
Distribution of the Nonelderly with Medicaid by Race/Ethnicity | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

Check out Florida

And now the stats on welfare

Welfare Statistics and Demographics – Statistic Brain

Look at the stat for people receiving welfare for more than 5 years.

All I am trying to say is I have learned, overtime, it is never good to paint anything with a broad brush.

Now before you broadside me as a liberal.... I don't think non disabled people should be on welfare for life!

dirtbanker 02-16-2017 09:12 AM

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Now before you broadside me as a liberal.... I don't think non disabled people should be on welfare for life!

How long do you think non disabled people should be on welfare??



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cologal 02-16-2017 09:48 AM

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It wouldn't matter to you if the "Republicans" did everything just right and even in agreement with your so called beliefs. You just want to fight. OPEN YOUR MIND. Have some patience. Stop with the silly name.

The scandal that you speak of is manufactured by the biased press it seems to me. I see no wrong doing. Russia isn't the same Communist country it was when we were growing up.

The last thing most of us want is to have Speaker Ryan, the "old style very conservative Republican" in control We assuredly don't need all the foolish extreme left either.

You want us to open our minds and yet your mind is closed.
You firmly believe you can't trust the press. In this case that claim just doesn't work.
Gen. Flynn contacted the Russians before the election, thats a fact. But thats NOT the problem Gen. Flynn then LIED to the Vice President about his activities. Because he LIED to the VP he could no longer be trusted! Here is President Trump's Press Secretary explaining why the President ASKED Gen. Flynn to resign.

Sean Spicer Press Conference over Michael Flynn Resigns as National Security Adviser, 2/14/17 - YouTube


You ask us for patience from us and I ask you how much patience did you give to President Obama? In fact how much patience did President Trump give Obama. He started the birther movement.

cologal 02-16-2017 09:53 AM

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How long do you think non disabled people should be on welfare??



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I guess that would depend on why they needed welfare.

Don Baldwin 02-16-2017 01:10 PM

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Check the previous posts for the Chimp comment....

I think you would agree the all humans tend to seek the company of like minded others. I came here for the sun and GOLF. If you play golf, how many black golfers have you seen on golf courses? Its like the recent Grammy's Adele vs Beyonce both are excellent singers but I prefer Adele.

There are African Americans here in TV and I have played golf with some of them.

However, if you look at other sports whites are in the minority....does that mean we are not successful? Hardly?

To help with this:

Who get Medicaid
Distribution of the Nonelderly with Medicaid by Race/Ethnicity | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

Check out Florida

And now the stats on welfare

Welfare Statistics and Demographics – Statistic Brain

Look at the stat for people receiving welfare for more than 5 years.

All I am trying to say is I have learned, overtime, it is never good to paint anything with a broad brush.

Now before you broadside me as a liberal.... I don't think non disabled people should be on welfare for life!

People naturally, children naturally, divide up into racial...species...groups. Yes...like, likes to be with like. The races don't belong together. They don't get along together. Diversity causes tension and destroys everywhere it is tried. They are not us.

Yes...unfortunately...there are a few here...snuck in through the back door I guess...encourage them to leave...NOT bring more here. Do you want the villages to become just another city? Or do you like it the way it is? It's the way it is BECAUSE it is 99% white. Show me ANYWHERE that is mosty black that is anything near what the villages is. They are NOT us.

It means we're NOT AS SUCCESSFUL at that particular sport. Compared to blacks, we suck at basketball and football. But we're better at other sports.

We're ALSO better at THOUSANDS...millions...of other things.

YES...lets take a look at welfare...from YOUR statistics:

"Percent of welfare recipients who are white / caucasian 16.8 % 11,405,000 total

Percent of welfare recipients who are black 39.6 % 26,884,000 total

Percent of welfare recipients who are Hispanic 21.2 % 14,392,000 total"


Almost half of blacks are on welfare...minorities combined are almost 85% of welfare.

I'm just broadsiding you for being wrong. Blacks proportionally receive welfare MUCH higher than whites...almost 3 to 1.

Go into ANY welfare office...it's filled with minorities...black/Hispanic women minorities...with a sprinkling of white girls with black babies.

NOBODY non-disabled should be on welfare...period. If we kicked out the Hispanics, we could get everyone off welfare by giving them all the jobs the Hispanics took from them. Business would rather hire an illegal Hispanic than hire a black...what does that say about them?

dillywho 02-16-2017 04:43 PM

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Perhaps you are confused....the Republicans have, for 8 years, being saying they would REPEAL AND REPLACE the Affordable Care Act. After the election they said they would do that day 1 of 2017! Well that didn't happen....why because, after 8 years, the Republicans can't agree on a replacement plan. But now they realize they can't repeal the law without a replacement because so many America's have health insurance because of this law.

Just the facts no spin and certainly no Kool Aide!

And look at the millions who no longer have insurance because now THEY can no longer afford to buy insurance because they are being forced to pay for those who never did, some simply by choice. What about all the people forced to several part-time jobs because employers cannot meet the mandates for insuring employees?

Do you listen to anything or are you just like Pelosi....if they are for it, then we will be against it? The head of the committee working on this the other day (yes, I watched what he was saying) said that they are fervently working on the new plan and are NOT pulling the rug out from anyone currently on insurance. They are also no longer going to penalize those who can no longer afford to pay the outrageous premiums and deductibles, either. The new plan is to cover those with pre-existing conditions, insure kids living at home to a certain age as is set forth now, make plans transportable across state lines, and other details they are still looking at.

Sounds pretty positive to me. At least there are no plans to 'kick anyone to the curb' and even some of those already on the curb because of this un-Affordable mess will have their suffering lessened.

dillywho 02-16-2017 04:47 PM

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You want us to open our minds and yet your mind is closed.
You firmly believe you can't trust the press. In this case that claim just doesn't work.
Gen. Flynn contacted the Russians before the election, thats a fact. But thats NOT the problem Gen. Flynn then LIED to the Vice President about his activities. Because he LIED to the VP he could no longer be trusted! Here is President Trump's Press Secretary explaining why the President ASKED Gen. Flynn to resign.

Sean Spicer Press Conference over Michael Flynn Resigns as National Security Adviser, 2/14/17 - YouTube

You ask us for patience from us and I ask you how much patience did you give to President Obama? In fact how much patience did President Trump give Obama. He started the birther movement.

Hillary brought that up the last election when she was running against Obama.

dirtbanker 02-16-2017 05:52 PM

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I guess that would depend on why they needed welfare.

Can you give a worst case scenario and a best case scenario, from your perspective of course...

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Sandtrap328 02-16-2017 06:05 PM

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And look at the millions who no longer have insurance because now THEY can no longer afford to buy insurance because they are being forced to pay for those who never did, some simply by choice. What about all the people forced to several part-time jobs because employers cannot meet the mandates for insuring employees?

Do you listen to anything or are you just like Pelosi....if they are for it, then we will be against it? The head of the committee working on this the other day (yes, I watched what he was saying) said that they are fervently working on the new plan and are NOT pulling the rug out from anyone currently on insurance. They are also no longer going to penalize those who can no longer afford to pay the outrageous premiums and deductibles, either. The new plan is to cover those with pre-existing conditions, insure kids living at home to a certain age as is set forth now, make plans transportable across state lines, and other details they are still looking at.

Sounds pretty positive to me. At least there are no plans to 'kick anyone to the curb' and even some of those already on the curb because of this un-Affordable mess will have their suffering lessened.


However, the Republicans still have NO plan to be set up as soon as Obamacare gets replaced.

billethkid 02-16-2017 06:41 PM

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However, the Republicans still have NO plan to be set up as soon as Obamacare gets replaced.

Should we assume you are not aware of the Rand Paul proposal?

Ready to go!

Why isn't it going then?

Because the establishment both R & D are haggling over fly specs in the pepper as usual.

cologal 02-16-2017 07:35 PM

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People naturally, children naturally, divide up into racial...species...groups. Yes...like, likes to be with like. The races don't belong together. They don't get along together. Diversity causes tension and destroys everywhere it is tried. They are not us.

Yes...unfortunately...there are a few here...snuck in through the back door I guess...encourage them to leave...NOT bring more here. Do you want the villages to become just another city? Or do you like it the way it is? It's the way it is BECAUSE it is 99% white. Show me ANYWHERE that is mosty black that is anything near what the villages is. They are NOT us.

It means we're NOT AS SUCCESSFUL at that particular sport. Compared to blacks, we suck at basketball and football. But we're better at other sports.

We're ALSO better at THOUSANDS...millions...of other things.

YES...lets take a look at welfare...from YOUR statistics:

"Percent of welfare recipients who are white / caucasian 16.8 % 11,405,000 total

Percent of welfare recipients who are black 39.6 % 26,884,000 total

Percent of welfare recipients who are Hispanic 21.2 % 14,392,000 total"


Almost half of blacks are on welfare...minorities combined are almost 85% of welfare.

I'm just broadsiding you for being wrong. Blacks proportionally receive welfare MUCH higher than whites...almost 3 to 1.

Go into ANY welfare office...it's filled with minorities...black/Hispanic women minorities...with a sprinkling of white girls with black babies.

NOBODY non-disabled should be on welfare...period. If we kicked out the Hispanics, we could get everyone off welfare by giving them all the jobs the Hispanics took from them. Business would rather hire an illegal Hispanic than hire a black...what does that say about them?

At least I provided statistics...fact based statistics. Obviously you didn't look at the following posts where we discussed there should be a limited!

So why do I think we should continue the welfare program?

Because there but my family would have been my sister. She married a Air Force cadet they had 4 children, when she was pregnant with the 4th child he had an affair. In when my sister was in labor he went to she the mistress. Sweetheart of a guy. I could go on...

When she filed for a separation he immediately retired from the Air Force trying to limit keep her from getting amy of his retirement. She made the 20 year rule by 1 day! She paid her half the the mortgage...he didn't they foreclosed. The family stepped in and helped.

This type of thing happens to women all the time. She had four kids and I forgot he didn't want her to work so no job experience. She worked 3 jobs until her kids were through school and the family provided college money!

What about people who are hurt and don't have disability insurance. They might need help for a while.

But that being said my eyes were opened by 2 things this summer the first was a customer telling me about one of her friends that hadn't worked for more than 15 years. She had a section 8 house with cable tv and the smart phone.

Then I read a book "Hillbilly Elegy" written by a right leaning author who grew up in the RUST BELT and what is happening there now. He talks about people NOT wanting to work because they can get enough from welfare without working. If that is the case welfare has to be reformed!!!

cologal 02-16-2017 07:41 PM

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Hillary brought that up the last election when she was running against Obama.

That is just Right Wing BS....Trump started the Birther Movement...

cologal 02-16-2017 07:58 PM

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Can you give a worst case scenario and a best case scenario, from your perspective of course...

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I did leave a post about what happened to my sister and her 4 children. She never when on welfare but she had a close knit family. So women with children whose husbands leave them with little support require time to be trained. As do people laid off due to automation or job loss.
But even those things need to have a limit so day 3-5 years

Best case is a 1-2 who lose a job but have a skill and can find another job.

dillywho 02-16-2017 08:32 PM

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That is just Right Wing BS....Trump started the Birther Movement...

Ever hear of Google or FactCheck.org. Check 'em out. Hillary brought it up in 2008, first claiming that he was born in Indonesia. There's plenty on YouTube as well.

Rockyrd 02-16-2017 08:43 PM

Amazing what people will believe when they want to believe.

Facts are strange things....they are facts.

Trump has lied so much, so loudly that even he begins, in his alternate universe to believe it.

E"Trump said, "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

There is no evidence to support this. Clinton supporters circulated the rumor in the last days of the 2008 Democratic primary and after Clinton had conceded to Obama. But the record does not show Clinton or her campaign ever promoting the birther theory, let alone starting it.

We rate Trump’s claim False."


Fact-checking Donald Trump's claim Hillary Clinton started Obama birther movement | PolitiFact


"After years of denying the legitimacy of Barack Obama’s presidency, it was only in the midst of his own presidential campaign that Donald Trump began falsely claiming Hillary Clinton was the true progenitor of the “birther” conspiracy theory claiming Obama was not born in the United States.

But that’s swapping one discredited claim for another. Numerous fact checks, reports and interviews — in 2008 and 2011, when Trump revived the controversy — revealed that although some Clinton supporters circulated rumors about Obama’s citizenship, the campaign and Clinton herself never trafficked in it.


No, Clinton didn't start the birther thing. This guy did. - POLITICO


"The conspiracy theory was already fully formed at this point. Clearly, the Clinton supporters accused of spreading it via forwarded e-mails knew “good ammo” when they saw it, but, as the above posts show, they deserve neither credit nor blame for the invention of birtherism. "


Did Clinton Supporters Start the 'Birther' Movement?


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