Sooo, potus in charge of OUR budget, has paid zip zero taxes for 19 years.
 

Increasing defense budget by 10%, reduce other programs by 10%, ok with that!
Building 30 billion dollar wall, waste of time and money
Proposed 1 trillion spent on infrastructure, ok with that.
Decrease taxes for the very rich (unless they also, are in the, Don't pay taxes like potus)
Looks like deficit might be on the rise.

Have you seen his tax returns? More BS from jebartle...

Hard to believe you support anything Trump proposes!!

I assume you fact checked this??

OK for the sake of argument let's assume your title of the thread is true.

So what.

If the tax laws allow for ANY individual to use or take advantage of the tax laws to reduce (or eliminate the tax).....all legal.....what is the proble?

Don't we all pursue any legal opportunities to lessen (or eliminate) the tax burden?

Of course we ALL do.

Just google who does not pay taxes and why and be prepared to get educated/surprised.

Of course the deficit will rise. It will rise FASTER than Obama raised it. Obama wasted it on "green" and "fair"...Trump will waste it on wars and infrastructure. Same wasteful borrowing/spending...different recipients.

Poor minorities...actually...minorities in general. Half of blacks are on welfare...so they're not paying. A third of Hispanics are on welfare...they're not paying either. White people have the lowest welfare rate...WE pay most of the taxes.

Careful,

He is a sage member, whatever that is......Must have something to do with quantity of posts?? Certainly has nothing to do with quality! Lol

Well if you're talking to me Nate...n8...what exactly do you disagree with? What do I have wrong?

You don't think Mr T will raise the deficit? He won't continue to borrow? They borrow over a $trillion every year...what makes you think he'll cut 25% of the "budget"? What $trillion in spending will he cut? He won't...he'll add...because he's the new boss...same as the old boss.

You don't believe that half of blacks don't pay income taxes?

do white people pay the most in taxes? - Google Search

"Overall, out of the 58 million taxable households that pay no income taxes some 56 percent of African American households pay no income taxes"

I am waiting to hear what he proposes tomorrow night. Then we shall see what he can get pass the House Republicans, especially the "Freedom Party"!

But I have been hearing a lot about Budget Reconciliation which is the chickens**t way of doing things.

Again...WHAT is he going to cut? They borrow 1/4 of the budget... $1,000,000,000,000+ each year.

Welfare...it costs about a $trillion a year. What does it get us? It's getting us a minority majority. And white people going from 90% of the population to 49%. It's dropped us from #1 to #25. It's destroyed schools...destroyed neighborhoods. It IS destroying the country.

Famous Tax Quotes are both from Judge Learned Hand:

#4 Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one’s taxes.

Gregory v. Helvering, 69 F.2d 809, 810 (2d Cir. 1934)

#5 Over and over again courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging one’s affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everybody does so, rich or poor; and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands: taxes are enforced exactions, not voluntary contributions. To demand more in the name of morals is mere cant.

Commissioner v. Newman, 159 F.2d 848, 851 (2d Cir. 1947) – dissenting opinion

The trump tax returns will show how much he owes to the russians, who have him by the balls.

"sooo, potus in charge of OUR budget, has paid zip zero taxes for 19 years."

1. The IRS has and continues to audit his tax returns. if something were amiss, given the leaks coming out of Washington CNN would have devoted an entire night of tv viewing about trump's tax problems.

2. Congress has control of the purse strings

3. Can we begin to discuss other things beside Trump, like maybe policy decisions being discussed? Geezzz its get tiresome

Personal Best Regards:

I have personally started threads on......

HEALTH CARE(overview of GOP plan)
IRAQ
TRUMP AND MEDIA
NEWEST APPOINTEE(positive review on McMaster)

And a few others.

Perhaps it is because of your disdain for for me personally, but saw no comments from you.

Also had a few on Syria, sans RUBICON

What particular issue would you like to discuss ? I also tried awhile back to begin a discussion on spending, still without you.

You start one on wholesomeness but, from reading your admonishment, you wanted no discussion, simply trying to teach us.

What is the issue you want to talk about ?

First of all, you have no way of knowing whether President Trump paid any taxes. He supposedly has no paid any personal income taxes by using perfectly legal tax deductions and write offs. If that's the case then it makes him smart and nothing else. Did anyone on this forum pay any more in federal taxes than was necessary?

Secondly, the news media is only talking about personal income tax. Because President Trump owns many business and corporations he pays several different types of taxes. The fact that he employs tens of thousands of people he pays payroll taxes and matching SSI and unemployment taxes. But the fact that he is responsible for the employment of tens of thousands of people means that he is indirectly responsible for the taxes that those people pay. He is also responsible for all of the property taxes, sales taxes and other taxes generated by his over 500 businesses.

Claiming that he doesn't pay any taxes is absurd. Trying to link the fact that he "may not" have paid federal income tax at some point to our federal budget is ridiculous. They have nothing to do with one another.

But this won't matter to those who hate simply for the joy of hating. You'll find some other stupid thing to make up but out president.

Famous Tax Quotes are both from Judge Learned Hand:

#4 Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one’s taxes.

Gregory v. Helvering, 69 F.2d 809, 810 (2d Cir. 1934)

#5 Over and over again courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging one’s affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everybody does so, rich or poor; and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands: taxes are enforced exactions, not voluntary contributions. To demand more in the name of morals is mere cant.

Commissioner v. Newman, 159 F.2d 848, 851 (2d Cir. 1947) – dissenting opinion

Hey, I have an idea. Why don't we talk about the Clinton's tax evasion/fraud? Let's talk about the difference between LEGALLY deducting loss, versus the Clinton's using the Global Initiative to launder foreign donations for their so-called charity. How about we talk about Chelsea's wedding being paid for by the so-called charity? Naw, it's much more fun complaining about Trump legally using the tax code to justify savings on paying income taxes. Let me ask you this, would you REALLY want a person leading you that was too stupid to use the tax code while running a multi-billion dollar business? What kind of leader would that make him?

So the next idiot that still wants Trump's tax returns should think about that before making a fool of themselves. There is absolutely NO law that requires him to show them to you. I realize that this is difficult for slow learners to accept, but try real hard.

Well stated! When those on here complaining start paying their income tax on the GROSS income, then go for it. Until then, give it a rest. MYOB

You mean you have proof of this? How? Please enlighten everyone else.

Unfortunately this issue is the one thing that keeps me from supporting Trump more.

Knowing his history and his life, this will never leave my mind until he becomes transparent.

When do you think that is going to happen? How about never...

You mean like Obama was? Remember, he campaigned on "the most transparent administration in history", and then did things behind everyone's back. Like that?

Your opening line paid zero tax is false and misleading
 

Our tax system is deliberately misleading and confusing.

An old friend used to say they have so many ways to pluck the chicken he does not realize he is bald.
The Tax you point out is the INCOME TAX. First of all it is the most hated tax. It is perhaps the most obvious tax so we pay most attention to it. The income tax is roughly 20% of the total tax our government takes from us. Most of us do not realize this. Look on your cell phone bill about 1/3 of it is taxes that you pay. Actually part of the non-tax part of the bill is taxes that whoever you provider is pays-that too is in your bill. You fill up your car, golf cart or whatever. They no longer show it on the pump but the price you pay per gallon is about 1/3 taxes. Again, you also pay the taxes that the station owner and the oil company pay-IT IS IN THE PRICE YOU PAY. We all pay taxes-hidden or not.
Our current tax code is 86,000 pages-this is simply crazy.
It is a matter of BUYING our politicians. Why is interest on a mortgage deductible but interest on a car loan is not unless you take a home equity loan-WHY? Why is there a line in OUR TAX CODE that makes Starbucks a manufacturer with lower tax liability then a retail store.
Our bought and paid for politicians say it is because they roast coffee-com-on now. I do not smoke BUT, cigarettes are now like $10.00 a pack the cost is pennies-the rest is tax. Same is true of liquor.
There was talk of a flat tax. We heard all sorts of screaming from our politicians. They told us it would put the burden on the poor AND WE BELIEVED IT. In the real world-NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH OBAMALAND, a rich person buys a home for say 2,000,000 and the flat tax is say 2% the tax is $40,000. A middle class person buys a home for 200,000 and then at 2% the tax is 4,000. A poor person buys a mobile home they are like 50,000 and the tax is at 2% $1,000. There are of course books on the subject. But, the truth is we will not get a flat tax because it removes much power from our government.

Re: How obama wasted money
 

As to wasted money I think you are referring to the TEN TRILLION DOLLARS Obama added to the national debt.

I've many times asked the question of what did Obama buy with that money. I've asked if we got roads, dams, education, healthcare etc etc. I've tried looking it up. I've yet to get a reply from all the people bitching on websites.
I finally stumbled across an answer.

The bulk of that TEN TRILLION DOLLARS-a sum impossible to comprehend-went to bail out Fannie mea and Freddie mac. Before all you Obama supporters try to blame the housing bubble on Bush READ and you will find the bill that created subprime mortgages passed at the end of BILL CLINTON'S second term. The reason was the LIBERAL VIEW that all people should own a home. Typical LIBERAL was that it would have been racist, conservative OK DEPLORABLE to insist that the borrower put down 20% as you used to need to do AND COULD PROVE THEY COULD AFFORD TO PAY THE LOAN.

I think that Obama is out of office and the election is over.

NO.....I mean transparency relative to our National Security.

We have never had anyone in the WH, exempt from vetting (AND REMEMBER TRUMP WOULD NOT EVEN ALLOW HIS OWN CAMPAIGN TO VET HIM WHICH IS STANDARD PRACTICE) who had so many interests OUTSIDE the United States.

I frankly could care less how much he paid in taxes or if....obviously he can afford the very best financial advice and while his political enemies might want to know this, I am more interested in his status PERSONALLY relative to the rest of the world where HE will set policy.

Example.....why was not Saudi Arabia on the list of banned countries. Almost all of the 9/11 folks were from Saudi Arabie...Bin Laden was a member of royalty in Saudi Arabie....ALL citizens of Saudi Arabia are muslim....and most importantly, they have a large large network of radical islamics in Saudi Arabia.

Trump has business interest there and in fact during the campaign was still negotiating with them on several fronts PERSONALLY.

Not saying anything nefarious was going on, but I dont know and the tax returns would deliver some answers.

The Saudi Arabia example is just that...an example......the Russia thing, of course is also disconcerting

I don't believe you responded to my about your previous posts on the immigration ban (post 21 in Sturmabteilung)...

You are still trying to make this a muslim ban. It seems apearent to me that Trump is not ONLY concerned with weather or not they are muslim, he is also concerned that they are from the 7 countries on the EO. There are many other countries that are muslim that are not on the list...including Saudi Arabia!

Is there any chance Trump has been given intel that there is a possible threat from people traveling thru one of the 7 countries to cause harm here in the USA?

Russia?? How much longer are you going to ignor the fact that the DNC and Crooked Hillary were exposed for doing things that were improper...then Obamma instructed 16 government agencies to investigate the hacking of a private entity (not a hacking of a branch of our government!)...I feel your concern is misplaced.


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He bought a good life for the minority poor. He bought them food and housing...he bought them an education...he bought them cars.

Blacks MUST be treated equally...even though they're FAR from actually being equal. NINJA loans JUST for minorities. No income, no job or assets. But since they're black in the inner city, they "qualify". Just like ALL the affirmative action programs. Lower the standards so your DOG could qualify to get them in. When that doesn't work...give them quotas.

Minorities are destroying this country.

It would be interesting to compare the average effective income tax rate for Trump and his cabinet with that of say....the faculty of the Villages Charter School.

Bush was out of office for 8 years, but everything that went wrong was always blamed on him. Obama only took credit for the good things for himself.

I remember his promise of transparency and promised that everything would be done on C-Span. Never happened once, much less daily, weekly, monthly, annually.

As to our National Security, how was a transfer of cash money arranged and delivered in the middle of the night to Iran "transparent"?
How was lying for weeks about a video getting people killed "transparent"?
How was his own Secretary of State running a private unsecured server from her home "transparent" and in the best interest of National Security?

Wow, that would be interesting! Please report back to us with your findings...

Why is he ashamed to release his tax returns? Could it be there is something in it that he has been railing against, like russian debt.

A better comparison...for ALL politicians is their income BEFORE taking office and AFTER. I bet the latter is significantly higher.

He's NOT as rich as he says he is...that's why he ran for president...keep the lifestyle without having to pay for it. He gets to hobnob with royalty on our dime. And ALL he has to do is say what he's told to say. Read a teleprompter...like the last guy...Obama...did.

Simple reply
 

We all believe we should get and someone else should pay.
Alexander Tyler is credited with saying that a republic can only last till the politicians discover they can BUY elections with the people's own money. Today THEY have created the perfect storm with FIAT currency-valueless paper. It has only lasted this long because every other country is doing the same as the US is.

YOU can choose to see it as a RACE ISSUE and it is in part BUT, the fact is WE are part of the problem. We paid into social security. When it was first launched OUR GOVERNMENT lied and suggested there was an account of OUR MONEY that would be paid to US. The truth is the money we put in was used to BUY THE VOTES from those before us. OUR GOVERNMENT not only spent our money to BUY VOTES of those before us but they actually BORROWED a deficit against the already OVERDRAWN ACCOUNT called SOCIAL SECURITY. If, you are not aware,
SOCIAL SECURITY holds 42% of the national debt with no AGREED rate of interest or DUE DATE. That is the DEAL our government made for us.

SOCIAL SECURITY is in the real world, WELFARE. We paid for it. Our GOVERNMENT no matter which party STOLE OUR MONEY. It was not just the democrats, with Obama and the TEN TRILLION he added to the national debt AND USED OUR MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. Before Obama Bush added prescription coverage WITH NO PAYMENT FOR IT.

Can this continue? Will this continue? YES, IT CAN UNTIL IT CAN'T. It will FAIL-it always has and it always does. Most recently, in GREECE. Previously, in GERMANY< ITALY, FRANCE, SPAIN and many more.

SOLUTION-actually Trump's effort to increase production is the only possible solution. Can he do it? I DOUBT IT. Trumps efforts will be blocked at every turn by the vested you owe me GIMMEEEESSSS. We are not innocent, WE are all part of the problem.

Yes Sue...I agree...but the question is...do you want the country full of "brown" people? And IF you do...WHY?

They ARE taking over...did you watch the Joe Biden video I've posted before? White people are at 49%. There is NO majority in this country now and the NEXT one IS going to be Hispanics.

Is that what you want? In 30 years, America becoming LITERALLY, Mexico II. Have you BEEN to the border towns/counties? THAT IS our countries future. You are KILLING your kids and their kids future. You are killing the white race. You are killing western civilization.

WHEN they become the majority EVERYTHING will change...it ALWAYS does...every single time. There is NO "brown villages" anywhere on the entire planet. They are INCAPABLE of developing/keeping what white men built. Formerly beautiful places when reverting back to black control ALWAYS turn to sh!t. Jamaica, Haiti, S Africa...many African countries have fallen under renewed black rule. Places in the US that diversify...always turn to sh!t. Why would you want that?

It ALWAYS end the same...

Think about what you have said
 

You and I both agree that EDUCATION is important. I assume you are a retired teacher. First of all you likely confuse teacher's pay with teacher's compensation. The medical plan, the retirement plan the paid time off-including summers, is all part of THE TEACHER'S COMPENSATION.

Do you THINK there is a single teacher at the charter school that is both qualified and would want to be a member of Trump's cabinet?

I for one would not put up with criticism of MY FAMILY and criticism of everything I've ever done in my life-TRUE OR NOT.

RE: teachers and charter schools
We currently spend TWICE as much per student as the rest of the industrialized world. Last time I looked we score number 21. Trump constantly speaks about VALUE per dollar spent. Will charter schools end all of our problems-of course not. Call me racist-if you choose-I truly do not care. Just like what happened with busing, it caused a mass exit to the suburbs and to private schools to escape the HORRORS it created. With charter schools, the mass education system, controlled by the liberal progressive teacher's union will fail on it's own weight as the best students BLACK, WHITE, GREEN, PURPLE-run to get out of the mess the progressives have created. The best result of this will be the end of the mass, liberal controlled society back to a more DIVERSIFIED population.
We need to be sure our government is not allowed to only fund schools that teach THEIR acceptable dogma replacing one dictatorship with another.

Hello again Sue...

Education IS important...indoctrination is NOT. You believe in "equality" because you were indoctrinated to believe it. There is NO evidence that we ARE actually equals. ANY ranking puts white men at the top and everyone else below...blacks ALWAYS at the bottom. It's a fact...living in delusion doesn't make it go away.

Which is...if you STEP BACK and look at it objectively...is extreme for a PART TIME...180 day contract...job. I wish I had gone into teaching after hearing of some of the retirement benefits teachers are getting.

The new numbers put us at #25...but who's keeping track...right?

Speaking the TRUTH...gets you labeled as a racist...you'll get used to it.

Black schools ARE horrible...because they're filled with BLACKS...WHEN will that FACT ever sink into your brain?

If you took the SAME building and filled it with all white kids...it would be a GOOD school. It's THEM...they are NOT us.

You mean the white and Asian kids...they are ALWAYS the best students.

A diversified population is the LAST thing you want to see. You want a WHITE population. Do you like the villages? Is it diversified? NOW you know WHY it's so nice here. Diversity destroys...always.

You make a lot of false assumptions
 

First of all I do not believe in equality. I believe in equal opportunity. Equal unfortunately is impossible to define-thus all of these posts.
Secondly, I grew up in poverty. Poverty that would not be acceptable to those on welfare-living off the work of others. My parents BY EXAMPLE made sure we were educated and learned you work for what you need and for what you want. PROUDLY, I have far more in common with
people like Condi Rice, Herman Cain and Ben Carson THEN WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
As to being called racist. I've been called racist. YOU ARE IN FACT A RACIST> EVEN IF YOU DO NOT SEE IT. Since all that matters to me is what I think I SIMPLY DO NOT CARE. IF, OTHERS THINK I AM A RACIST.

As to THE VILLAGES. I am here for my wife. This place is far to close, far too many people minding other people's business.far too many CLAIMED WHITE LIBERALS hiding from the real world-secured by meaningless gates, far too much of a false fantasy land WITH NO PLACE TO BE ALONE for me.

As to race in the villages. I would imagine because this place is probably 98% white blacks and Hispanics do not feel comfortable. Like all others I've met here they are or have been prosperous, they are well educated and are intelligent.

FOR YOU-I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WONDERING IF YOUR BELONG HERE. OR PERHAPS, IF WE NEED SOME UGLY REALITY TO REMIND US OF WHAT WE CHOSE TO LEAVE BEHIND.

Equal OPPORTUNITY is a job becomes available and the best one gets it. But that is NOT what we have. We have standards that have been dropped so low, they're lying on the ground. And STILL we NEED quotas...ANY quota is NOT an equal opportunity. EVERY quota bumps someone BETTER qualified. EVERY TIME. And it's a white man that gets bumped. Women don't get bumped, minorities don't get bumped. Equal opportunity is a LEVEL playing field, not one tipped in favor of women/minorities. You know and I know that IF you were to hold the standards and level the playing field...nobody but white men would get hired for MOST jobs. Because we're better at most jobs. It's a fact. The "best in the world", outside sports...is almost exclusively white men.

So, your parents were educated living in poverty? It's a Non sequitur...you say education is important, being self sufficient is important, your parents were educated, yet you lived in poverty?

So...you're black. You are the 1% then if you're living in the villages. Only guess what...I don't think you are black. You don't communicate like you're black. You just THINK that you have more in common with blacks. Actually, you're different species. In ANY other mammal...the differences between the races would put us in different species. We are VERY different. Genetically very different.

Call me a "speciest"...I don't think all the varied species are equal. I don't think a dog or cat are equal...I don't think a chimp or bonobo are equal...I don't think the different species of hominid are equal. ALL the evidence PROVES the races are not EQUAL in a literal sense.

So...suesiegal is really a man?

Bye...maybe I'll see ya in CO some time on the slopes...we don't WANT liberal types around here don't you get it? MOST of us know WHY the villages is so nice...affluent white people.

I hope they DON'T feel comfortable here. It's NOT them personally, I know a few nice black people myself. Why do I know them and think they're nice? They act white and not black. They ARE the 1% of black people. IF it was JUST them, I by OK with them. BUT...it's the OTHER 99% that are literally animals in appearance and action, the baggage of their racial kin, that I don't want even in the same country as me. The day the villages begins to diversify...is the day "The Villages" days are numbered. It's ALWAYS the same. Diversity ALWAYS destroys...always.

What you left behind was probably diversity and the sh!ttiness of it. WHY bring it here? Have you forgotten already how different everything is when it's diversified?

Do you like Wildwood or the villages better? Leesburg or the villages better? The ONLY difference is the demographics...the villages is all white and prosperous. The others...are diversified.

Diversity never works...never. Name one if you disagree.

See Sue...even your husband is wrong. They are NOT us. They don't act like us, think like us, look like us, or smell like us...they're not us.

The donald believes in diversity.

He MUST...he's forced into it. In business AND politics you MUST for the most part...be politically correct. You MUST at least feign you're for equality...diversity. Otherwise you alienate 75% of the voters. The losers who need coddling, affirmative action, quotas.