Village of Southern Oaks
 

That other news source, villages news, reports that the Villages will be adding a new property with another 20,000 homes besides Fenny, on Route 44. This property abuts route 44.

Gotta do something to drum up business for the Brownwood Town Sq.

Don't think they're done yet either ! JMO

This property DOES NOT abut 44. In the picture that is part on the online news report, the diagonal red lines designate the City of Wildwood. The property being called Southern Oaks is bounded by the yellow dashed line. It does not go all the way north to 44. See attached picture.

Ho-Hum. Another 20,300 homes to be built in the area.

I would like to think they are (currently) planning to widen these back woods country bumpkin roads,
but alas -- I'm sure they haven't factored that into the equation yet. As of right now, we're
probably ten years behind the times.

Agree completely.

Well, let's look at this ...

Much of CR468 has already been widened to four lanes. Eventually the entire stretch from 44 to 301 will be four lanes.

CR 501 is being improved.

An interchange with the Turnpike is planned for intersection with CR468.

Not to worry about whether the roads will be adequate....some of us remember when the word of the day was expanding across the little two lane road called 466......and the non-existent Morse Blvd.

What we know for sure is all the development south of 44 will add to the retail critical mass and attract much more of and duplicates of national establishments/chains.

Do you know what was here for shopping and restaurants before expanding across 466 (not 466A)?

Not very much!!!

I went back to reread the article, as I understand it, the entire red crossed hatched area is where the homes will be built (I may be wrong), with some in Wildwood (red boundary) and the rest in Sumter county (yellow boundary). The red crossed hatched area does abut 44, so I guess the next announcement will be a bridge across 44 in the area of 468. I really hope they do not propose an AT GRADE crossing for golf carts.
Looks like we bought in the future middle of the villages (just south of 466a)!!!!!

Yippie, it's math time
Per Wikipedia the 2016 numbers for TV are 1700 residents per square mile. One square mile is 640 acres, so rounding off, about 2.7 residents per acre. There are 1.9 residents per household

My house is on 0.2 acres of land, or 0.1 acres per resident. If there were no streets or rec centers or golf courses or trails or... that density of 0.1 acres per person gives 10 persons per acre

Fenney is to have 14000 homes = 26000 residents on 8000 acres or 3.3 residents per acre

S. Oaks is proposed to have 20,300 homes = 38000 residents on 4518 acres or 8.5 residents per acre.

Something is missing either in my math, or in the new development. Perhaps no golf courses? There are going to be three times as many people per acre in the new development. I can only hope the numbers in the online news are wrong and that the acres are not really 4518. At least on the map shown it looks bigger than Fenney which is said to have 8000 acres.
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edit; okay I may have misinterpreted the numbers in the online news story
Perhaps the sentence "The Villages announced the purchase of 8,000 acres near the turnpike which could accommodate 14,000 homes. But the proposed Wildwood ordinance would permit 20,300 homes on 4,518 acres of the property." should be interpreted differently..

That this new area, Southern Oaks, is an area of 8000 acres and that of that 8000 this announcement concerns 4518 acres on which these 14000 homes are being built. And that the remaining 3482 acres will have 6300 homes, giving the total of 20,300 homes. So revise my math to 38,000 residents on 8000 acres which gives 4.75 residents per acre. And delete all figures for Fenney as I erred in thinking the 8000 acre area referred to in the online news meant Fenney.
Corrected Fenney numbers seem to be 3000 homes on 1047 acres or 5.4 residents per acre. So both new developments are significantly more densely populated than the contiguous villages.

Where are these back woods country bumpkin roads?

OK, I need to look this up, but I thought Fenny was around 4000 homes, not 14,000.

Numbers become a jumbled mess after a while. News reports sometimes jumble the numbers.

Fenny is about 1,000 acres and will have about 3,000 homes plus amenities. Link to March 29, 2016 article in online news site: http://www.villages_dash_news.com/su...eney-wildwood/
Of course, _dash_ must be replaced with a hyphen.

Southern Oaks may have as many as 20,300 homes in an area of about 4,518 acres south of SR 44 and east of US 301 on both sides of the Florida Turnpike. Link to March 14, 2017 article in online news site: http://www.villages_dash_news.com/vi...y-20300-homes/

However, we have read articles stating 8,000 acres. Who among us really knows? TV has a "formula" that works. I believe that successful formula will be used in Fenney and Southern Oaks.

And I hope they don't change the master plan for developing golf courses in the villages. level off the pasture, dig about 60 four foot holes, Fill the holes three quarters of the way up with some garbage sand. do not get good white sand. Too expensive. Now make 18 circles put 18 holes in the middle of each circle and some grass seed and Pick a name, put up a sign and you done

Where do you play golf?

Took a drive down there this afternoon. Right after turning off 44 onto Morse headed South, you will start seeing little Conestoga wagons with The Villages branded on the top. Pretty clear this will all eventually connect to Fenney.

I have no doubt it was thoroughly researched and will be first class. Looking forward to seeing it come to life.

:BigApplause:

I agree 100% the math doesn't add up the way they have done things in the past. We shall see.

I hope they're going to build a hospital in that area !

Hey blueash, after dusting off your slide rule, you really got it going again. :pepper2:

Odd how "The Daily Sun" failed to report today's special zoning meeting on the front page. One might think that the developer wants a fait accompli !
Wildwood has just informed me by phone that this matter will also be considered in a Commission meeting on March 28 at 7 PM, at City Hall, 100 North Main St. [ Rt 301] , Wildwood.
And again at the Rezoning meeting on April 4, at 2 PM, same location.
And again at Commission meeting on May 8, 2017, 7 PM.

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I would like to think they are (currently) planning to widen these back woods country bumpkin roads,
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Mrs. Robinson, haven't you ever enjoyed taking a country back road through horse and cattle country? There is so much to see and enjoy. I especially like to smell the fire places burning this time of the year. Nice 2 lane country roads are getting wiped out by big city folks that only know highways, shopping centers and traffic lights.

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They would have already if the state of Florida would approve it. Required by law.

Are these wagons on 468 JUST south of 44, on the land that TV THEORETICALLY does not own??????

Yes.

:a20:Have you forgotten how they widened 466A prior to Pine Hills?

My money is on the Morses. They don't talk much but they DO a lot. AND they know a lot not known to us commoners.

Wagons
 

There are four wagons on the way down to Fenney! The answer is where the wagons are the developer owns that land already! It may not be zoned the way they need it, but they own it. They also own land west of 301 just west of the 468 intersection. All this information was discovered on my two tours down to Fenney in the last two weeks.

Right on, sister !!!

Oh, I really hope they don't do that either; don't see how they could.

I heard a year ago that they have plans going through the approval process to build 6 tunnels under 44. Guess we will have to see if that comes to fruition. I firmly believe they either own all the land all the way down to Fenney or they are in negotiations for it. Fenney will be the most southern village (for awhile anyway). It was developed first because it already had all the permits, environmental studies etc done because another developer sold it to them.

I guess one day Fenney will be SoHo, Brownwood will be known as Midtown West, Sumter will be Upper East Side and SS will be...

The land shown in this map looks a lot like the land already shown when the Sun did that big Fenney story.

Are we sure this 20,000 doesn't include the 14,000 from before?

Yeah, something isn't adding up here.

is anyone besides me concerned that when we bought our homes we were told that the build out would be complete in 3-4 years (that was eight years ago!) and then our property values would shoot up...Instead of that false advertising, we are now faced with the prospect of more homes out there than there will be baby boomers to require them in a few years and selling our homes will be more difficult as we are limited to a market of seniors. i hope homeowners will think about this and show up at those commission meetings to voice our displeasure. there IS such a things as "too much of a good thing"!

Much greater detail from the Wildwood site on density and other issues -> http://wildwoodcityfl.iqm2.com/Citiz...59&Inline=True

In all the posts read so far, only 2 mention hope for a new hospital. I hope this is not a repeat of the first Villages Hospital. It took years and opened with 60 beds. Too small on opening day. It has since grown but not enough to currently meet the needs during peak season. Add another 20-50 thousand residents, and it is guaranteed all those folks will already be living in Village homes before we see completion of any new hospital. Staffing is already a problem not only for hospital but for assisted living communities and service businesses needed to provide for all the growth. All the growth has been fine but there are many unintended consequences. The cyclical nature of weather has brought near drought conditions in the past. That may also be an issue down the road along with the recent okay given to pump millions of gallons of water from the aquifer for a nearby bottling plant. Maybe it is time to change focus from further expansion and more golf courses to the future needs of current residents.

I just want an AT&T tower

The bottling plant is approved to use 496,000 gallons of water daily.
The Villages uses 23 million gallons per day.
The plant will use the same amount of water as 2,156 people, or 1,026 houses.