What have We Done ??
 

What in the world have we elected to be our President.
Continual lies every day !!! Accusing Obama of performing a felony. Fifty days in office and nothing to show but fifty days of turmoil. He insulted two of our most loyal allies, Germany and England. A President who is dishonest is not a President and cannot be trusted !!!

I agree totally and completely. This person is scary.

And let me clearly say this.....my opinion is not based on ideological issues. It is not based on partisan politics. It is not based on how he feels about politicians or politics. It is not based on any changes he might make in laws of any kind.

It is based simply on this evil and despicable man, who his ENTIRE life has been the same...nothing has changed.

He lies and cons people. His lying is pathological, his core dishonesty is deeply seeded. His love of SELF is beyond imgination.

I have to add this.

This forum here on TOTV is really beginning to "creep" me out. It is obvious that discussion of political issues is not the purpose of many, if not posters. It is obvious that once again this forum has succumbed to personal melo drama. It is also obvious that presenting facts is of no consequence on here. It is obvious, as stated today, that being dubbed a racist is accepted as long as their personal issues are recognized and thus the sheer motivation for posting is not to seek political discussion, but to satisfy whatever need some have and use this forum to that end, whether it be to profess a idealogical view over and over, or satisfy some other personal motivation.

The sheer extreme opinions offered here is scary, because these people will never question their leader...NEVER. Questoning Obama on individual policy is not sufficient, he must be buried. Supporting Trump, even at the risk of becoming racist or supportive of Russia is accepted practice.

I just want to add.

I have no idea WHY posters Have this adoration for a man I consider to be sheer evil, but will accept that any man who can literally change the moral base of some Americans and gain total and complete loyalty must have some qualities I do not see. You have this right, and I have to accept that, and I reserve my right to hold my (seriously investigated and vetted) opinion, which by the way is adverse to my personal political views.

Haven't you heard?

Trump's not the problem, it's the media's fault for actually taking him at his word...and investigating his felonious actions and statements. :ohdear:

The problem is we will all pay, in one way or another, for this charade.

I have one question...for everyone.

Who would you have preferred to be the President and why?

Please don't start bashing President Trump, former President Obama, or any other previous President.

I would just like to hear some honest, logical answers. It would be so nice to have a civil discourse on this.

Thanks.

1. Hillary.

2. Because she has a great grasp on how the world works and proved (even Repub's admitting it) that as SecState... is herself a tireless worker FOR THIS NATION.

3. While no politician is without a large ego and always tells the truth, NO ONE in our history...has told more lies or been more narcissistic than Chump.


Now, she is not POTUS and we all have to hope that the train wreck that Trump has been driving for the two months (is it really possible, that he's only been POTUS for just two months? :oops: )...will not take this nation down with him.

As much as his lack of honesty, morality, ethics and integrity personally disgusts me, it is still in our best interest as a nation...that he be successful.

I just can't personally see a path to that however and the best we can hope for....is that we are not drug through another Watergate. :(

Even more concerning, are those that hated Hillary more than they love this great country...and still refuse to see Trump for what he is.



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Americans love celebrity. The reasons Trump is president are same ones that made the Kardasians multi millionaires. As a people we are not the sharpest knife in drawer. IMO

Thank you. Even though I cannot agree with your choice of Hillary, I respect your right to make that choice.

I did not feel that she ever had the interest of America at heart. Maybe when she was younger, perhaps. Having children who served, no way could I ever abide her lying to me as to how my children died (thank God they didn't and made it through) and then accuse me of lying about it. She not only lied to those parents, but to the entire nation until after President Obama's election. She lied about not knowing how servers work or what is meant to "wipe" them to destroy information, and deliberately went against protocol when she set up her own in her basement. Mistakes can be forgiven. Outright lying and deliberate destruction of evidence, no. If lying (not just exaggerating) is what President Trump is doing, then he, too, will be found out. Time will tell sooner than later. I have been both impressed and disappointed.

Hillary was smart enough to be President, just lacked the integrity. Her concern and goal was not to make this a better country for everyone, but for her to be elected the first woman to ever be President. My opinion is, OPINION, that she never intended to serve....just get elected and take the oath of office. I base that opinion on what she said about choosing a Vice President. She said that she wanted someone who could take over from day one. Then she added, if need be.

Thanks again for your response.

And I thank you for keeping it civil...and not personal. :thumbup:

While I vociferously disagree on what Hillary could have accomplished and recognize that both candidates had flaws, I will never believe she would be tweeting lies in the early morning hours for the sole purpose of trying to take the focus off of her known lies...and then when confronted with facts on those unsubstantiated lies would continue spewing them. :ohdear:

I also strongly disagree with your attempt to characterize Trump's outrageous and blatant lies...is just a 'little harmless exaggeration/hyperbole.' :oops:

But hey, you ARE entitled to your opinion...just not your own 'facts.'



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

No, sorry, I did not "attempt to characterize......". I simply stated that I hope that what he says is exaggeration and not lies. I do not live in his head anymore than I do yours or you in mine, so I cannot possibly know for certain. It may well turn out that he is lying. Until then, like anyone else, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

I heard Hillary and President Obama BOTH go on national television and sell the lie that Benghazi occurred because some Californian made a video and that they were going to get him for it. He even had his spokesperson saying the same thing over and over on tv program after program. Hillary then accused two of the parents of those killed of lying when they said that that is what she told them when the bodies were taken from the plane. What reason on God's green earth would they have to lie about it? She and the President had plenty of reason.

I agree with everything you say. Looked at the thread entitled "women" and didn't even read any further. These people have been living in some alternate reality for years, and now with a mentally unstable President who represents their sexist, white supremecist views, they apparently feel emboldened to post such drivel. I rarely look at TOTV political anymore -- as you say, there isn't any fact driven discussion. Boring.... I do have to keep reminding myself that people you are referring to are in the minority in our country. They may have a loud voice in the villages, but as far as the rest of the country, they are a weak whisper.

There have been something like 9 or 10 bipartisan investigations to the tune of millions of taxpayer dollars, and the conclusion was there was no intentional wrongdoing in the Obama administration's response to the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya. As hard as it tried, even the Republican-led congressional panel turned up no great bombshell, no evidence of wrongdoing by Mrs. Clinton. Republicans really need to give up the ghost on this. And the double standard is really ridiculous. Look at other embassies that were bombed, and where American lives were lost. No witch hunts then - oh, right, Hillary wasn't the Secretary of State during those other bombings.

So you see no difference in someone who was wrong on 'why' something happened and one who purposely lied about something happening, that didn't...with absolutely no proof? :oops:

You have just demonstrated the problem with Trump and his cultists...much better than I could ever explain it. :ohdear:

Not happy about saying it...but thanks. :thumbup:

Hillary committed felonies while SecState, period. Ask anyone that works/worked in the State Dept. Everyone working for the State Dept. knows how to handle classified information. Hillary lied under oath. Where I come from, that's called perjury. Maybe not in D.C. where lying seems to be the norm. Hillary lied on TV and to the families of those that were killed in Bengazi. So, if the FBI could not find evidence that is recorded on the National TV network, then either they are corrupt or they are incompetent. Maybe both.

A lie is a statement made to purposely deceive. Just about everything the Clintons do is about deception.

Did Trump lie? If Trump made incorrect statements, not with the purpose of deception or not knowing his facts were wrong, if is NOT a lie.

It appears to me that anything someone says that a liberal does not agree with is considered a lie. Prove that statement to be wrong. Prove that to be a lie.

You are exactly right. We did not work for the State Dept. nor any other federal government office. We did, however, work for a government contractor run business. We knew EXACTLY how to handle classified information and the consequences of improperly handling such information. There were also consequences for mishandling unclassified information.

ANYONE, including Hillary Clinton, has NO business being employed in the State Department (or any other department), much less the Head of it, who knowingly mishandles such information. And then, to top it off, blatantly lies about mishandling it and proceeds to destroy evidence of the mishandling. It makes no difference HOW it is marked or not marked, as she claimed, it is still information to be protected. Anyone who handles government documents knows this.

Actually..it is YOU who have been living in an alternate reality for 8 years. Believing we're all equal.

I'm FULL of facts...you aren't. Yes, being destroyed, losing ALL the time, does get boring. Winning does too...trust me...but saving this country from becoming Mexico II is more important.

You are so right...we whom are awake, we keep trying and trying to get YOU to awaken...yet you sleep away...unaware of the danger awaiting your grandchildren.

That is the worse crime...if true.

You can believe what you wish, but do not make up lies to please yourself and broadcast them to others. That just shows ignorance and the lack of motivation to learn. There is absolutely no evidence that Trump is a racist or "white supremacist."

And believe all you wish regarding your image of The Villages and conservative voters, but there were enough that believe like us to get Trump elected and your very flawed candidate a lost election.

Do not fool yourself into thinking that a few more votes in California was a big deal. A big deal is getting elected and your candidate did not even come close. She lost and you feel upset. Grow up and be an adult. We lived with the most inept president for the last 8 years. Sure, we were disappointed, but we supported his office, if not his policies. The only people he helped were the criminals, terrorists and the gays. SO, if you have a problem having someone in there that does not need the job, but wishes to help America, then that is a problem you will have to deal with. But, do so without making up lies to make yourself feel all warm and fuzzy. That just makes you a low life.

I am not going to even try to reply to the stupid comments on Clinton or Obama. It is becoming boring and trite to defend Trump by referring mostly to Clinton.

If you cannot defend him in the topic..just shut up.

The poster you respond to did not callTrump a white supremacist. That poster said "....who represents their sexist, white supremecist views

THAT HAPPENS TO BE TRUE...

"Two of the incidents of white supremacist fliers being handed out at high schools occurred in California. At Pioneer High School in San Jose last month, over a dozen fliers from multiple white supremacist groups were reportedly posted around the campus. The groups included American Resistance, a white nationalist magazine run by Jared Taylor, who has cited the election of President Donald Trump as an opportunity for his movement."

Ehttp://www.newsweek.com/white-supremacist-schools-nationalist-colleges-571577

"Leaders of "alt-right" groups promoting white supremacism are prepared to revolt against President-elect Donald Trump if he doesn’t follow through on his campaign promises, the Guardian reported Tuesday.

White-supremacist groups: We will revolt if Trump disappoints us | TheHill

Tell you what you ill-mannered dumb @ss, I'll discuss or debate my way and you continue to argue your weak @ssed point your way. Either way, you lose. Just like your inept, lying, cheating and treasonous traitor lost the election by thinking that she would win because she was a female. Even though she may have been lying about that also. Who knows?

You are so stupid that you don't even understand the term "white supremacist" And yes, if you wish to call him one by association then I will make your comment trivial by proving that Hillary was also one due to her association with a KKK grand dragon that she called her mentor.

So, a little free advice. Hiding behind your keyboard does not negate the civil requirement for mannerly conduct. If you wish to be treated with respect on here, then you and your little friends should act like mature adults, not street scum.

Never mind. You talk trash and then can't comprehend why someone gets in your face. If you believe someone makes stupid comments, maybe they are attempting to communicate at your level. Just saying.

Wow....you misquote a poster in order to attack Clinton.

I correct you and you flip out.

You cite debating, which I must inform you,.this is not even close.

I shownyounthe error if your misquote, and you call it trash....

If Facts are stupid, I plead guilty to wanting to discuss issues based in facts, and not misquotes, and based on present time, not past.

I anticipate the ultimate diversion...
 

WAR! God help us!

Do you ever read your posts before sending them? So contradictory that it's ludicrously funny.

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Have you ever discussed anything relevant to the subject, other than comment about another poster?

My bad. I have a bad habit of not checking who these posts are from before responding, then get the same crap.

My fault...

This from a Friends facebook says it all.................I have tried to keep a low & respectful profile on FB since the great win in November ...sensitive to the needs and feelings of the folks that didn't win...it was a tough election ...lost some friends.... . However I have FN had it.. Conservative America we are under attack from the left ...everybody needs to be present and accounted for ... unafraid to speak up and speak the truth .. it is sinful what our children are learning and listening to from (MSM )...It is a coordinated effort from well funded outside sources fighting against us .....that have only one common goal....the demise of America and Western civilization ... they apparently do not understand how the peaceful transition of power works ,so we may have to show them....to get loud or louder ..(physical ) to stop this nonsense now!!.... to hear Democrats outraged & decrying about the Russian influence in our election... that they were spying & hacking us..are you FN kidding me .. wait till they find out the post office delivers mail ....we have a president in office right now that is working his ass off for us...ALL of us. ..even the pricks that are fighting against us every step of the way.... and he needs our support now more than ever... we can no longer be polite and quiet .... America we are $21 trillion in debt ...(to China) not to mention that $200 trillion in entitlement that nobody even wants to mention ...there are no more tools in the toolbox ....losing now is not an option for all we value....just think about it... just sayin.....💪

This from a Friends facebook says it all.................I have tried to keep a low & respectful profile on FB since the great win in November ...sensitive to the needs and feelings of the folks that didn't win...it was a tough election ...lost some friends.... . However I have FN had it.. Conservative America we are under attack from the left ...everybody needs to be present and accounted for ... unafraid to speak up and speak the truth .. it is sinful what our children are learning and listening to from (MSM )...It is a coordinated effort from well funded outside sources fighting against us .....that have only one common goal....the demise of America and Western civilization ... they apparently do not understand how the peaceful transition of power works ,so we may have to show them....to get loud or louder ..(physical ) to stop this nonsense now!!.... to hear Democrats outraged & decrying about the Russian influence in our election... that they were spying & hacking us..are you FN kidding me .. wait till they find out the post office delivers mail ....we have a president in office right now that is working his ass off for us...ALL of us. ..even the pricks that are fighting against us every step of the way.... and he needs our support now more than ever... we can no longer be polite and quiet .... America we are $21 trillion in debt ...(to China) not to mention that $200 trillion in entitlement that nobody even wants to mention ...there are no more tools in the toolbox ....losing now is not an option for all we value....just think about it... just sayin.....💪

No apology required. By the way, you feel that you corrected me, but the misconception was on your part. And instead of a civil discourse, you preferred to use gutter language. So, no need to apologize. In the future, if you disagree say why. Of course, that is your prerogative, not a mandate.

Please don't insult everyone's intelligence by acting injured. If you wish to interject your opinion, that's fine. But, please don't play injured when you respond. It's very disingenuous.

By the way, aren't you getting your ID's mixed up today? One minute you are responding as Rockyrd the next minute (NOW) you use the ID of Villagesperson. Out of curiosity, do you have any other monikers? Or do you have multiple personalities and Rocky is too embarrassed to reply right now?

You are confused today. It must be hard to maintain multiple monikers when trolling the forum.

Speaking of facebook, one of my friends posted this peek into the mind of a liberal.

Reality check. I personally feel less safe in America than at any time since I getting my ass kicked every day in Middle School. I am not afraid of people of color, immigrants, Muslims or foreign terrorists. I am afraid of intolerant white people, people who look a lot like me, and say Liberalism is a mental illness. They say Progressives want to destroy America. They own guns.

Well, we all know that your comment was fictitious. Everyone knows that all the violence perpetrated in the past two years related to politics has been from the leftard side, usually thugs paid by ilk such as Soros. Conservatives find no need to have temper tantrums and get violent like the left when they do not get their way. We get even, but do it LEGALLY, not hiding in crowds to build up courage to do something in the dark, like the left.

It will be just like after Reagan left office. The left will suddenly say how they backed Trump all the while. They will not admit that he was a better president and that they were bitter losers and did everything they could to sabotage his presidency. And once he succeeds in spite of the left (and some of the right) the left will lose again. Why? Because talk is cheap and the left talks big about working together only if the right comes over to their side on their conditions and does not voice dissent. Look at the left in congress and how they are treating the Supreme Court nominee. They did the same thing to Bush that the right did to Obama and now they are upset because the right was not living up to a higher standard. The left says they want revenge. They actually admit that they know that Gorsuch is a great nomination, but they said they want their revenge. They will be petulant and spiteful and accomplish only to lose more votes on the left.

Russians

I don't understand the problem. So far, President Trump has made good on many of his campaign promises. He's done exactly what he said he would do.

What did people expect?

This is what trump said....don't you understand?
 

1. Build a wall along the southern border that's taller than the arenas where Trump holds his rallies, taller than any ladder and one foot taller than the Great Wall of China. This "artistically beautiful" wall will be constructed out of hardened concrete, rebar and steel, and it will be "the greatest wall that you've ever seen" -- so great that the nation will likely one day name it "The Trump Wall."

2. Make Mexico pay for the wall. If Mexico refuses, then the United States will impound all remittance payments taken from the wages of illegal immigrants, cut foreign aid, institute tariffs, cancel visas for Mexican business leaders and diplomats, and increase fees for visas, border-crossing cards and port use.

3. "If I become president, we're all going to be saying 'Merry Christmas' again."

4. Get rid of Common Core because it's "a disaster" and a "very bad thing." Trump says he wants to give local school districts more control and might even eliminate the Department of Education.

5. The Environmental Protection Agency might also disappear.

6. Get rid of Obamacare and replace it with something "terrific" that is "so much better, so much better, so much better."

7. Knock down the regulatory walls between states for health insurance, making plans available nationally instead of regionally.

8. Rebuild the country's aging infrastructure -- especially bridges and airports that look like they belong in a third-world country -- for one-third of what the United States is currently paying for such projects.

9. Save Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security without cutting benefits.

10. Defund Planned Parenthood, YET:11. "I will take care of women, and I have great respect for women. I do cherish women, and I will take care of women."

13. Temporarily ban most foreign Muslims from entering the United States "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." Trump would allow exceptions for dignitaries, business people, athletes and others who have "proven" themselves.

Trump calls for 'total and complete' shutdown of Muslims entering U.S.
Republican presidential contender Donald Trump said on Dec. 7 that he was in favor of a '"total and complete" shutdown of Muslims entering the United States. (C-SPAN)
14. Bar Syrian refugees from entering the country and kick out any who are already living here. Trump says wealthy Persian Gulf nations like Saudi Arabia should pay to set up a heavily guarded "safe zone" in Syria 15. Heavily surveil mosques in the United States. Trump has said he's open to the idea of closing some mosques.
16. Create a database of Syrian refugees. Trump hasn't ruled out creating a database of Muslims in the country.

17. Never take a vacation while serving as president.

18. Prosecute Hillary Clinton for her use of a private e-mail server while serving as secretary of state.

19. Make medical marijuana widely available to patients, and allow states to decide if they want to fully legalize pot or not.TALK TO SESSIONS ABOUT THAT.....

AND THE LIST GOES ON. TO SEE THE ENTIRE LIST GO TO: Here are 76 of Donald Trump’s many campaign promises - The Washington Post

Feign Indignation
 

What Have We Done??.

Progressives have done nothing except protest, make up fake stories, defame, slander, cause property damage and bodily injury.............................and prevent serious people from solving this nation's problems.

Progressives are really best at feigning indignation:D
And the beat goes on..............

Personal Best Regards:

A C and P.....................It appears to me that anything someone says that a liberal does not agree with is considered a lie. Prove that statement to be wrong. Prove that to be a lie.

I will never forget George Bush's attempt to refine health care. One of the bills got killed in committee. A reporter asked the committee chairman "You say it was a good bill, why did it get killed?" and the dude said "It WAS a good bill. Too good to hand to the President in an election year."

:agree:

He golfs a lot.

And you expect all of this to be done by now? Sorry, pal, but it ain't even CHRISTMAS yet! You think everyone should be running around saying Merry Christmas now?:1rotfl: